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Master_of_Oldskool

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Okay, first things first: this is going to sound like to sort of thing I should talk to my IRL friends and my parents about; I already have, and they just sort of danced around the topic. Hopefully, my fellow Escapists won't. Second: This one's going to be a wall of text. The faint of heart should turn back now. And finally, the situations I'm about to describe should probably be avoided by the younger or easily offended Escapists. Still here? Brace yourself, here we go.

A few months ago, my sister told me and my parents that, up until about a year ago, one of my older friends had been molesting her. I had already had my suspicions before that, which is why I broke off my friendship with him, but my sister was close with his sister, and I couldn't just tell her to break it off.

Here, however, is where it gets complicated. This guy had been my friend for many years, and according to her, the molestation had begun from nearly the day we met him, at which point he would have been 12, I would have been around 8 or 9, and she would have been 7. And as I listened to her describe what had happened, I realized that what she was describing didn't sound like molestation: hugging, attempted kissing, and a few attempts to slip his hand under her shirt. The most important thing is this: he stopped when asked to stop, but would try again on subsequent visits. While I was still pissed that he would try in the first place, it seemed like calling it molestation was a bit much.

Furthermore, she told us how he'd said that this sort of contact wouldn't be "breaking any rules", because they were "in love". Now, that's obvious bullcrap coming from some 40-year-old Pedobear lookalike, but to a young boy just coming into puberty, whose parents parents were extremely conservative and probably didn't teach him about the birds and the bees until he'd already heard from a health teacher, could love and sexual desire be easily confused? Could he have honestly thought that he was in love with my sister?

Now, at this point I have to pause and give some background- my sister has a temper. A really bad one. She's been known to cold-cock people for the slightest insult, and she's pretty insulting herself. But lately, just before she told us what had been going on, she'd been even more irritable and withdrawn than before and, I had noticed, she was increasingly uncomfortable with being touched, especially with being hugged. She would give my parents dirty looks when they hugged her, and she would actually hit me.

She explained to us that what had really been bothering her and messing up her life wasn't so much the fact that she had been molested as the fact that he "used" her, and that the physical side of the relationship was all he wanted- in her own words, "he didn't really care about me". And once again, I found myself doubting. I had, as I've said, known him for a long time, and I'd always gotten the impression that he actually did care about her.

In the end, my parents called the Rape Crisis Center (or whatever the organization is called) and, with the help of one of their operators, came to the same conclusion I had: while what my friend did was morally objectionable, it didn't legally constitute molestation, and the best thing for it was to get her a therapist and try to move on with our lives as best we could.

My parents went to a therapist the family knew well; he'd helped both me and my mother cope with depression, and I thought he'd do her some good. She saw him for a time, and she's been officially done with him for about 2 months.

And here's the final bit of concern on my part: I've noticed that, since she stopped seeing the therapist, she's been getting withdrawn again. She's still not comfortable with hugging. She's been listening to a lot of really over-the-top emo stuff, and the way she seems to sort of empathize with the music and act like it perfectly describes her life disturbs me for some irrational reason I can't explain.

And here's the part that worries me the most: my sister is a phenomenal author. I've read some of her stories, and they're great. She has a real passion for writing. However, she has a sort of act going on: she acts as though she doesn't want us reading her stories, because she thinks we won't approve of the subject matter. I suppose this has some truth to it, because a lot of the stories she writes have homosexual main characters, and my dad isn't the most tolerant guy. But she'll leave her handwritten copies of stories lying out in the open for us to read. And recently, I came across an outline of a story she was writing lying around on our couch. It listed the major events in the story. Apparently, this was a sort of self-insert thing, as the main character was named after her.

Here's where it gets disturbing: the last two plot events were: her character being raped by her love interest, named after the afforementioned friend, and her character being hauled off to an asylum after her friends find her catatonic.

And so, here's what I ask of you, Escapists: Should I feel badly for thinking that my sister is overreacting? Is it wrong of me to think of her "molestation" as just the normal curiosity of pubescent children? Should I be concerned about how she's fixating on the event? Is it wrong of me to be disturbed by the way she's handling this? Should I tell her what I think of the situation, or is it better to stay silent?

EDIT: Thanks for your advice and support, everybody. I really appreciate it. For those who've been asking, she just turned 14, but she was 13 when she told us.
 

Benmonkey7

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Well, it's obvious that this has really bothered her, but I wouldn't considered that being molested, but then again, I'm not 7. The friend was a pre-teen, they do stupid things like that thinking it's "love" or anything like that but he should be forgiven, he's at the age where he is driven by hormones and etc. Your sister though, was very young and would be deeply disturbed by that but shouldn't have called it "molestation." In my opinion, you should tell her about it because honesty is important, especially between family members.
I'm not a therapist so I may not be right on what's best.
Also, I love your avatar.
 

zyfyn

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i feel for ya mate, it is a sensitive situation, not knowing all the details, other than what you have mentioned, it appears a call for help, it may have the undercurrent of her being a drama queen, or attention seeking, but even with those characteristics, there is always a little truth at the heart of it. my suggestion is to sit down and talk with her privately about how she's feeling, (that of course is if she is willing to do so) and try and get to the heart of the matter, or alternately, get her back to a therapist, they have access to the tools that may be of use to your sister,
as to feeling bad, when a person is fixated on an event in their life, and is constantly going on about it, even in the passive way that your sis is, its becomes difficult to continue being sympathetic, you shouldn't feel too badly, but i would suggest discussing with your sister, the affects that her behavior is having on your family, approach her with an open mind about it, and resist the urge to get into an argument with her over it,
thats about all i can suggest

good luck
 

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Master_of_Oldskool said:
And so, here's what I ask of you, Escapists: Should I feel badly for thinking that my sister is overreacting? Is it wrong of me to think of her "molestation" as just the normal curiosity of pubescent children? Should I be concerned about how she's fixating on the event? Is it wrong of me to be disturbed by the way she's handling this? Should I tell her what I think of the situation, or is it better to stay silent?
How old is your sister now? That probably has a lot to do with it. If she's at the age where she'd normally be listening to emo music and acting depressed anyway, then maybe this is just the event she's fixating on because of that.

What does your friend have to say about all this? The logical thing to do would be to discuss it with him, and see how closely his experiences match up to what she's told you.
 

khiliani

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not wanting other people to see you work, but leaving it around fopr people to see is a thing a lot of artists do, so it could be unrelated.
however, you might want to try to get her to go back to counciling. it is probly something you should discuss with your parents as opposed to going barging in yourself though, its the sort of thing you need to handle carefuly.
but as said above, im not a therapist, so take what i say with a grain of salt
 

Meemaimoh

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Honestly? You don't need to exactly feel bad for thinking she's overreacting, but you should make every effort to change your thinking on the matter. When it comes down to it, whether your friend meant it or not, if your sister felt it was inappropriate sexual contact, then that's what it was. Period.

She clearly needs a friend and ally right now. You're aware enough about her problems that there's no excuse for it to not be you. Be patient with her. If she needs someone to talk to, you need to make it clear that it can be you. If you think she might be gay, you should make it clear that you have no problem with that. And above all, if you have her trust, you should definitely encourage her to seek help again.

There's nothing more frustrating than realising therapy is much further from over than you thought, but there's nothing more stupid than not going back for more help because of that frustration.
 

TheBXRabbit

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She definitely sounds like she's going through depression, and while the cause is clear I'm not sure if there's anything else can be done to provide closure for her, or if closure would help at this point. Try taking this from the opposite angle, focus on the symptom (depression) rather than the source. Sounds backwards I know, but no-one ever said psychology was linear.
Therapists are only as effective as how open the person is willing to be with them, so I'm not convinced additional sessions would help. I can't tell how far down she is into the depression spiral, pay attention for a detachment and wilful isolation from friends and family. If it gets to that point medication is an option you may want to consider (trust me, it's not that bad and it can save lives, notably mine). any mention of suicide or running away should bring up a red flag and you should immediately notify the rest of your family. Above all else keep talking with her, keep listening to her, and be observant of any further behavior changes.
 

Magnalian

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Whether or not it officially constitutes as molestation won't change her feelings about it. Obviously this has had and will have a big effect on her life, so her writing about it doesn't seem that strange, disturbing as it may seem. If you're worried about her sanity or her safety, get your family a bit more involved. Doesn't matter if they're evasive or not, something like this should not be dealt with on your own.
 

Bellvedere

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I'm guessing she's early to mid teens?

Not saying that what happened to her couldn't have been disturbing and horrible but when I was that age I didn't like being hugged either and I had no traumatic encounters. Touching can be really irritable when you don't want it. Punch someone who tries in the stomach irritable.

About the writing, if she's obviously trying to get you to see it then you can likely rest assured that she won't actually try something. Her writing sounds like over-the-top-fanfiction-esque stuff and not all the kids lurking around on emo band forums writing homo-erotic stories about the band members are suicidal. It might be worth considering that being both you and the rape crisis folks didn't consider the situation to be rape or malicious on his part that the real life story is reflecting her fictional story not the other way around. Not that she's trying to falsely accuse someone one of rape, but she's over dramatising the situation to validate feelings of "teenage angst".

I don't want you to think I'm making light of the situation or accusing your sister of anything but my thinking would be it might be good to just let her be, if she didn't want any more help from a therapist then she probably wouldn't want advise from you.
 

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Perhaps something else happened to her other then what happened with your former friend. I don't know everything that is going on, clearly, but she seems to be behaving like a rape victim. I have dealt with rape victims before, at work and in my personal life, and from what you are saying, she is showing the same kind of behavior. From what you are telling me, and I could be completely wrong since I am not close to the situation, I think that perhaps she was raped by someone that she might have trusted and been friends with, someone other then your former friend. She might be taking it out on her family and just blaming your former friend while trying to deny something else that has happened.

Your sister is going through some major depression though, and needs to have some help. If she doesn't get the help she needs right now, then she is going to destroy all of her future relationships, friends, family, and significant others as well. It will not get easier if she tries to ignore her depression and other emotions.

This is an extremely difficult situation, and I hope it gets resolved. I feel for you and your family, and hope that maybe I might have helped a little. Keep me posted on how everything is going if you wish.
 

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Master_of_Oldskool said:
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I've noticed that, since she stopped seeing the therapist, she's been getting withdrawn again.
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Does this mean that she seemed better when she was seeing the therapist?
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My parents went to a therapist the family knew well; he'd helped both me and my mother cope with depression, and I thought he'd do her some good. She saw him for a time, and she's been officially done with him for about 2 months.
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"...been officially done with him..."
Did she quit or did the therapist say that it wasn't necessary any more?

I say that she needs someone to talk with. My sister had a similar period around her twenties, except that she had bipolar disorder. What's really important, as has been said above, is that regardless if it's you, a therapist or someone else listening, TRUST and CHEMISTRY are key elements.

My sister met with five different therapists before she found someone she could really talk with. The worst one told my sister one time when she came in for a session: "I get really depressed whenever I see you...". Is that something you tell someone who is going to therapy for depression?!

My best wishes to you, your family and most importantly your sister
 

Oh That Dude

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Make sure she has someone to talk to, that's such an invaluable thing to anyone at any time in their life; someone you can talk to without fear of judgement. It can be anyone.

Make some effort to get her to talk to you, ask if she's alright, that kinda thing. Just make sure she knows you care about what happens to her. Oh, and tell the guy he's a douche from me. I mean fuck's sake.

Good luck, and you're a good bro.
 

lacktheknack

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Yikes. I think she's trying to cope with what just happened, and that she's dealing with it in rather unhealthy ways. Story writing is good, writing about her own rape and insanity isn't (although it should tell you EXACTLY what she thinks about the whole ordeal). I wouldn't worry yet, it may be a passing phase. If she gets more and more obsessed with the idea of going insane and rape (say, about five more stories involving them as key plot points), then SEEK MORE HELP.

Man, I hope your family isn't alone in going through this.
 

Necator15

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Well, you say she's 14, this is around the time people typically go emo if they're going to. So it might be that she is doing that, and the rest is largely coincidental. However, it's probably best to assume that it isn't. I would try to get her back into therapy, just in case. If the previous therapist didn't help, try a different one.

Rather be safe than sorry in these instances.
 

Timzilla

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It sounds to me like she still might need some help. Maybe just a few mo sessions with the therapist would help. I would just like you to know, when I was 15 (I'm 16 now), I went though a sort of depressive state to. I didn't go all OD with it, I did't listen to emo music or dress in black or anything.) But these are some dark time's we live in and it's hard not to get depressed. Don't over react with the situation and don't try to force anything on her, but try and help in any way you can.
 

ecoho

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first i gotta say man youve got better control of yourself then me i would of broke him in two for that. second she is not over reacting no matter what you ALWAYS beleave family. Finaly if it happens again break something hell realy miss:)
 

ALuckyChance

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This might sound harsh, but I honestly think she's overreacting.

The fact that "She'd been even more irritable and withdrawn than before" might suggest he tried to go past attempting to feel up her skirt, which pissed her off and made her jump to conclusions.

She might be hiding some details, however, if she's really as traumatized by the experience as she seems. I mean, if my lover made sexual passes at me, I sure as hell wouldn't write a story saying I got raped and turned insane.

Edit: If she is omtting details, then she might (Maybe? I don't know their confidentiality clauses much) have told her therapist. I mean, I first told my school counselor I was gay, because it's so much easier to tell a complete stranger than a trusted friend or family member. This might be a similar case.

If she isn't hiding any facts, then you might need to be concerned.