Net Neutrality being overruled. please god tell me its a joke.
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I'll agree with Zontar to an extent. The article praising the Obama administration for supporting and loving the Net Neutrality idea is...interesting. Considering how often Obama's pick got into a fight with the whole mess, and only seemed to be dragged into not being evil, to heap praise and whatnot is odd.
Going further, let's look at the examples. First up is killing a subsidy to low-income families for internet access. While depressing, I wouldn't normally label this "Net Neutrality". Still disappointed, don't get me wrong, but ah well. Well, kind of. The article conveniently doesn't mention that Republicans were fighting against adding additional subsidies onto a plan that they saw as being already excessively mismanaged. Really, zero surprise that this was killed. There's potential for a replacement though, depending on action. Unlikely, but perhaps. Trump has seemed amicable to welfare in general.
Second is a line about keeping prison call rates in check. Great goal, one I'm fully in support of, along with general interests in not being such an evil prison nation, but unrelated to net neutrality.
Then there's an example about changing the way cable television works. Which...doesn't matter at all to net neutrality. Surprise!
Some language next designed to get you thinking he's evil, then some hyping about the amazing work of Obama and his administration. Work which was generally reviled when it was happening, so...still not convinced.
Finally we get to something related to net neutrality: wireless carriers that offer some services not counting against their users data plans. Well, closing down investigations into them. Because the previous administration wasn't against zero-rating in principle, but were making poo-poo noises about it maybe being bad for competition. (Again, previous administration had to be dragged into supporting net neutrality) Bad, but could be worse. And, to be fair, phone carrier companies have been held to different standards, and screw over consumers regardless. You can bet it doesn't cost nearly as much as they charge for SMS.
Then there's some more language about him disagreeing with the previous administration's way of dealing with things, and nothing of substance is really said.
End result: I'm in support of the guy. If someone's going to write an article with this much vehemence against him while offering nothing of real substance, I just want to spite him now. Terrible reporting in general.
Going further, let's look at the examples. First up is killing a subsidy to low-income families for internet access. While depressing, I wouldn't normally label this "Net Neutrality". Still disappointed, don't get me wrong, but ah well. Well, kind of. The article conveniently doesn't mention that Republicans were fighting against adding additional subsidies onto a plan that they saw as being already excessively mismanaged. Really, zero surprise that this was killed. There's potential for a replacement though, depending on action. Unlikely, but perhaps. Trump has seemed amicable to welfare in general.
Second is a line about keeping prison call rates in check. Great goal, one I'm fully in support of, along with general interests in not being such an evil prison nation, but unrelated to net neutrality.
Then there's an example about changing the way cable television works. Which...doesn't matter at all to net neutrality. Surprise!
Some language next designed to get you thinking he's evil, then some hyping about the amazing work of Obama and his administration. Work which was generally reviled when it was happening, so...still not convinced.
Finally we get to something related to net neutrality: wireless carriers that offer some services not counting against their users data plans. Well, closing down investigations into them. Because the previous administration wasn't against zero-rating in principle, but were making poo-poo noises about it maybe being bad for competition. (Again, previous administration had to be dragged into supporting net neutrality) Bad, but could be worse. And, to be fair, phone carrier companies have been held to different standards, and screw over consumers regardless. You can bet it doesn't cost nearly as much as they charge for SMS.
Then there's some more language about him disagreeing with the previous administration's way of dealing with things, and nothing of substance is really said.
End result: I'm in support of the guy. If someone's going to write an article with this much vehemence against him while offering nothing of real substance, I just want to spite him now. Terrible reporting in general.
Funny, I recall Trump saying he would do everything in his power to protect the rights of LGBT citizens. He has no plans on repealing gay marriage and has several gay republicans serving under him, so how do you justify calling him homophobic? Not to mention Islam is a religion that punishes gays with death in many countries, and abhors homosexuality more than all other religions combined. Yet you're acting like he's the one waging war on gay Americans, fancy that.Zhukov said:
On the other hand, I despise his VP Mike Pence for his archaic beliefs and his attacks on HIV/AIDS research, and I'm sure as fuck not gonna be happy if this net neutrality thing comes to pass. Some of the people Trump appointed to power are mistakes I hope to see weeded out, but if you're going to heap blame, do it on the people who deserve it.
Funny how for the past eight years anything a member of the Obama administration did was met with cries of "That was someone he appointed, not actually the president!" But now that the shoe's on the other foot, they seem to have a hard time separating the man from the cabinet. Surely there's no bias there.
Not to turn this into a R&P thread, but have you been paying attention to the people he has staffed his administration with? Have you looked up the Supreme Court nominee he has?Ebola_chan said:
Trump also said that he was going to "drain the swamp" then proceeded to not only make it worse but also invite every possible swamp monster he could find to dive right in. When did we begin taking Trump at his word?
Did you miss the part where I said I was displeased with some of the people he appointed to power? The thing people need to realize is that I'm not defending Trump, I'm pointing out a double-standard.Avnger said:
Over a dozen middle-eastern countries operate under sharia law, where homosexuality is punishable by stoning, throwing off of tall buildings, drowning, and good old fashioned decapitation. Last I checked, the US isn't one of those countries.Baffle2 said:
As for number: I'm not doing your homework for you, maybe try Googling something. Or look up a few ISIS execution videoes if you want to see what real barbarism and oppression looks like. If you have the stomach.
Yes, I've seen that thread and while the thought of people discriminating against members of the LGBT community behind the guise of religious freedom is troubling, I don't think it'll be so drastic or widespread as the far left seems to think it will be.Saelune said:
Of course it's not a joke. This shouldn't be surprising. Why wouldn't a business man be in favor of anti-consumer practices? It's kind of the point. Push as much bullshit as you can get away with to make the most money possible.
But hey, at least you guys have a smaller government! /s
Seriously though, I don't see how anyone who voted for him could be surprised by anything he's done so far. Between his platform and his reputation, you should have known what you guys were getting yourselves into. You voted for this. This is the country you wanted. Enjoy.
But hey, at least you guys have a smaller government! /s
Seriously though, I don't see how anyone who voted for him could be surprised by anything he's done so far. Between his platform and his reputation, you should have known what you guys were getting yourselves into. You voted for this. This is the country you wanted. Enjoy.
1. We don't have a choice. 2. Never said it wasn't a big deal, just that it's not definitive proof that Trump hates gays. 3. Just because you don't agree with someone's policies doesn't mean you can draw such drastic conclusions.Saelune said:
Obamas fans rolled their eyes when people said he was likely muslim, and I do the same when people say Trump is a neo-Nazi when he's barely been in office for two fucking weeks. Same principle here, just because it's popular rhetoric doesn't make it true. If people would rather parrot sensationalist garbage than do a bit of research and keep an open mind- fine.
I'm not even straight myself, so of course I don't want things to be worse, but I'm not really concerned yet. US citizens are extremely privileged compared to many other places, so I find it ridiculous when people act like there's a war on gay Americans because a few bills have been passed that only tangentially affect them.
Honestly, I thought Trump was a clown when he first announced that he was running. But I'm keeping an open mind because we have a responsibility to give the new President a chance. Do you not remember how many people lost their fucking minds when Obama was elected in 2008? About half the population thought the world was ending then too, and it was just as ridiculous then as it is now.
Of course, the rioting wasn't nearly as bad, but that's a thread for a different day. Basically, take a breath, give it some time and keep an open mind. Is that so hard?
I didn't call him homophobic. I called him great.Ebola_chan said:
I have no reason to believe that Trump personally has anything against gay people.
When it comes the Trump administration and the Big Gay Issues the person to be keeping a eye on is...
Yeah, him.
Nothing makes me more optimistic than a defeatist. We have more choice than you seem to think. Not as much as Id like...well, we -did- have a choice, but alot of people made the wrong one, and now people like me are suffering for it.Ebola_chan said:
Trump is not PRO gay. I dont think he personally gives a toss about gays, but thats the very problem, cause he surrounds himself with anti-gay people and Trump will not do anything to stop them, and is going along with their BS. That makes him AS GUILTY AS THEM. I mean, he -could- stop it, but chooses not to. His actions are anti-gay, no matter what he -thinks- on the issue.
I can draw those conclusions because I pay attention. Actions speak louder than words and action after action of Trump has said alot.
Trump has barely been in office for two fucking weeks...and is already fucking everything up! That is a testament to how bad and dangerous he is.
Being a Muslim and being a Neo Nazi believe it or not are not the same thing. A Muslim can be a good or bad person. Nazis are only bad.
DO NOT TELL -ME- TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Seriously, do you not see the problem with telling the LGBT person to be open minded to intolerance?
The people who thought everything was going to shit when Obama was elected are the people making the world shit now. I bet the Allies winning WW2 was every true Nazi's end times.
I'm not a defeatist, I'm a realist, and here's a cold, hard fact for you: Trump is President, and probably will be for the next 4 years. And when I said there's nothing you can do about it, I'm right, unless you plan on staging a coup. Which you very well may want to, judging by your tone.Saelune said:
Like I said, I have my own criticisms of Trump, namely the people he he's appointed. It sounds like we're on the same side of that issue so you can STOP TEXT YELLING AT ME, SEE HOW TENSE AND UNREASONABLE THIS MAKES ME SOUND?
According to you he's fucking up, but quite a few people are really pleased with what he's doing so far. I think you're wearing rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Obama, he's probably going to go down in history as the worst US president of all time. He spent 8 years systematically weakening America, but you want to throw a fit after just two weeks of someone else being in charge, when Trump's wrongdoings are a grain of rice compared to Obama's.
I mean seriously, I don't even have to go back a full day into his presidency to find Obama fucking up in huge, huge ways. For example, even his last hours were spent weakening America. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/23/report-obama-gave-221-million-palestinians-last-hours/
And way to put words in my mouth, I never said that being a muslim was the same as being a Nazi (Are you kidding me?) I was making a point that the opposition on both sides has a tendency to draw extreme (and often untrue) conclusions.
And yea, I think you need to keep and open mind, believe it or not, being LGBT doesn't make you infallible, or a shining example of progressiveness. Clearly. Not to mention that for someone who's always preaching about acceptance, you're being pretty fucking intolerant of other ways of thinking.
Especially considering Trump won 33 states, do you also blame all of them for "making the country shit"? Or would you like to face reality and accept the fact that Trump won because people are sick of the old, ineffective system and not because everyone is a neo-Nazi? Do you seriously think the majority of the country are xenophobic assholes? Because that sounds more defeatist than anything I've said.
Look, I'm part of the community too, I want to see nothing but good things for the future of LGBT Americans. And spewing bile and hatred, and half-truths isn't going to do anyone any good. Actually, I just remembered, there is something you can do. You can grab a baseball bat and join the rest of the rioters who are smashing the shop windows of small businesses that didn't do anything wrong. Funny how I don't remember this happening on such a large scale 8 years ago. It's almost as if only one side is prone to such immature displays of violence and temper. But that couldn't be, right?
I'm not gonna tell you to calm down, I don't really know if you have an ounce of chill in you. But I do genuinely think it's not healthy to get so wound up. Make a cup of tea, watch some videos with cats in them. I promise things will still be alright in 4 years. Probably.
Oops, must've misunderstood. We're making fun of Mike Pence?Zhukov said:
Yea, fuck that clown.
I am sick and tired of people defending bigotry. "Try to understand them!" No. I do understand them. They are the ones who do not understand others.Ebola_chan said:
My god, this is what is wrong with this country.
People defending Trump, Pence and Milo.
People defending Nazis.
People defending the Confederate flag.
How about we defend the people actually under threat?
Things will only get worse before they get better, especially if everyone is going to pretend everything is just fine.
Cause its not.
Your inability to see things from any other perspective is honestly a bit alarming. Nobody is asking you to be complacent with bigotry, just maybe wait more than 14 days to cinch the noose around the idea of the next 4 years being shit.Saelune said:
And seriously, I've said it over and over, I'm not defending his underlings, I was the first person to start talking shit about Pence. As far as confederate flags and Nazis- sorry, I've got no idea what you're on about. Maybe a small break from the internet, and especially social media would do you some good.
I know you're under the impression that you're under threat/suffering, which you very well may be. But not from our government. Don't lose sight of the fact that we live in one of the greatest Democracies in the world. We're immensely lucky, but this just goes to show that you're very out of tune with how gays are treated in other parts of the world. You're sick of it? Imagine what you're feeling magnified by 1000 and then being pushed off a building, and remember how great life in America can be.
I've had to talk friends off the ledge when they were upset because Obama won. And I said the exact same thing then: It's not the end of the world. If you want to resign yourself to misery for the next 4 years, I guess nobody can stop you. But someone's candidate loses every 4 years. Life goes on.
I can tell you're upset, so I'm not gonna grind my heel in. Maybe a good night's sleep will do you good and maybe give you some new perspective. Obviously I'm no professional, but I think talking to a professional would be beneficial. It's not healthy to indulge in these kinds of delusions.
"Other people have it worse elsewhere" can be said about literally any problem you are ever likely to face. It's not remotely helpful.Ebola_chan said:
The fact that there are other places more hostile to LGBT rights does not excuse people in the US government from being hostile to LGBT rights.
Believing that Trump won on a platform of xenophobia does not require one to believe that the majority of the population are xenophobic arseholes.Ebola_chan said:
Voter turnout was just under 60% of those eligible.
Less than half of them voted for Trump. More voted for Hillary and there was Johnson and Stein slurping up a couple of percent each. Which gives us roughly 27% xenophobes.
So about a quarter. I for one am perfectly willing to believe that a quarter of the population is xenophobic to some degree.
Furthermore, I'm willing to concede that some of those 27% weren't voting out of xenophobia but were merely dumb enough to believe that Trump actually had their interests in mind or angry enough to vote anti-establishment without caring who gets hurt. Although those people were still willing to vote for a leader running on a platform of textbook xenophobia, so they're not off the hook just yet.