New ME3 Screenshot Shows Ashley in Actual Armor

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shado_temple

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gigastrike said:
AD-Stu said:
I know this is a total nerd moment, but Ashley's armour designates her as S1. We don't know what specialisation or career path the S designates (Spectre, maybe, but all 26 letters were already supposed to be in use before there were human Spectres), but the 1 indicates she's at the lowest level... which doesn't make a lot of sense?
I was thrown by that too. S1 is her rank within the Alliance military, so I don't think they would have a division for Spectres (unless Humanity being at the head of the Council has given them the authority to absorb the Spectres into their own ranks), and if she's level 1 in the soldier division then why would she be made a Spectre in the first place? Connection to Shephard? Plot?
When talking to her about personal stuff in ME 1, she mentioned something about the Williams name being tarnished by an ancestor's actions, thus being stuck in crap assignments. Even in ME 2, after Shephard "dies", she gets sent off to some no-name colony in order to protect it. Maybe that was the Alliance specification she kept, despite getting the Council's honor?
 

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erttheking said:
As for the second image...dude that's a painting, it can't really be used as evidence for the history of the development of armor.
It's not. It's being used to make a rhetorical point. Most of the evidence we have for ancient armor being unisex is from burial sites like the ones described here [http://books.google.com/books?id=gWYg1QBAFW0C&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=scythian+woman+grave+armor&source=bl&ots=uCtd7Er5eQ&sig=ipJAd9cVaoCoKTdmRoAKkwPtisk&hl=en&ei=jmXpTr3FIYb_ggei7umCCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=scythian%20woman%20grave%20armor&f=false] - note that the armor could have been mistaken for male armor if the corpses buried with it had not been female.

erttheking said:
Like I said before, full body armor like that must be shaped to fit the person, if even something is off, the arms are to thin, the legs are too thick, it's useless.
Unless you plan to have your boobs move independently of the rest of your torso during battle (improbable), there's really no point in giving them their own armor compartment.

GreatTeacherCAW said:
That is what I definitely need in my action game that takes place in space where you fight robots: realism.
Well, yeah, some consideration to how stuff works IRL would be nice. But beyond that, it simply looks silly and juvenile.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Unless you plan to have your boobs move independently of the rest of your torso during battle (improbable), there's really no point in giving them their own armor compartment.

Well, yeah, some consideration to how stuff works IRL would be nice. But beyond that, it simply looks silly and juvenile.
Maybe - but at some point, even John Howe breaks down and says that while realism is all well and good, at the end of the day stuff also has to look cool. And you won't find many people in the ME3 target audience willing to take the standpoint that boob-armour is somehow less cool than a flat-chested unisex variant.

Also, while there may or may not be a point in giving boobs their own compartment, I fail to see any functional disadvantages...
 

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Kahunaburger said:
erttheking said:
As for the armor having boobs, you do know that it won't help to have her breasts being squashed right?
Turns out IRL body armor is unisex [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/interceptor.htm] and
to the best of our historical knowledge always has been [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090406/joan_of_arc.jpg].

erttheking said:
If you people are honestly calling fowl, you are really REALLY late to the party.
Well, I don't speak for other people who think this looks silly, but I thought ME1 and ME2 armor looked pretty dumb as well.
Yes, current body armor is unisex.

As someone who's wandered around with females who have worn real life body armor, and heard females complain how it squashes parts of their anatomy uncomfortably...I think we can safely say that the reason body armor is unisex is because it's really male body armor because most people who wear it are male and it's ludicrously expensive to develop, test, and manufacture.

I know for a fact a lot of women in uniform celebrated when they read this story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42721218/ns/us_news-life/t/army-tests-new-body-armor-women/

I imagine we could see a chest compartment bump in the near future with as many female women who are active in military service these days in comparison to historic context.

However, it would not look remotely sexy.
 

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shado_temple said:
What do you folks think?
I think that that looks nothing like Ash. And I'm surprised that they managed to make me dislike her even more than I already did.

 

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believer258 said:
Before people start bitching about it being tight, at least she's wearing more than half a string (points at women's armor in fantasy games)

Besides, all of the armor in ME has been tight since the beginning. They all have shields, remember? Which begs the question "wouldn't it be better to have baggier clothes with lots of pockets"? but whatever.

I swear, I've never seen a community made up of mostly males complain so much so quickly about women in skimpy/tight outfits.
Sexuality threatens them and it's a bunch of fake-feminists who think if they pretend to be outraged that the girls in games are sexualized in some fashion, that alternative girl at the Starbucks might notice and like them.
 

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I couldn't care what she's wearing. In my universe the insipid ***** is dead. Kaiden is frankly the lesser of two immense evils.
 

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Looks like she had an accident with some Botox. Which is a shame, seeing the transition from the more homely crewmembers in 1 to giant-form-fitting-ass-in-your-face and wearing-almost-nothing-but-tattoos in 2. I was hoping it wouldn't stay that way.

But whatever, still going to be a great game.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Yeah, it seems generally okay in the context of the Mass Effect aesthetic, and miles less stupid* than some of the stuff in ME2.

*Although the boob-contour armor thing is still pretty silly.
Actually, it really isn't. Consider that the armor in question also represents a viable space suit. It turns out, of all the things that can kill you in space there is one people don't often consider: pressure. Or rather a lack of pressure. Modern space suits are big bulky affairs and much of the engineering challenge in their construction (and improving upon them) lies in the fact that they are pressure suits that need to maintain a constant 1/3 atmosphere pressure around the body. There are people out there trying very hard to improve upon the current design of the pressure suit with something that is <a href=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/space-suits.html>surprisingly form fitting.

When you further consider that the actual protection of armor in the Mass Effect universe is being provided by Mass Effect Kinetic Barriers, the tight fit becomes less of an issue. And, of course, the tight fitting armor applies to all species and genders so at least it is equal opportunity in that regard.

Really, it is one of the only examples of such armor that I can look at and say "makes sense".
 

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Sincendiary said:
Yes, current body armor is unisex.

As someone who's wandered around with females who have worn real life body armor, and heard females complain how it squashes parts of their anatomy uncomfortably...I think we can safely say that the reason body armor is unisex is because it's really male body armor because most people who wear it are male and it's ludicrously expensive to develop, test, and manufacture.

I know for a fact a lot of women in uniform celebrated when they read this story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42721218/ns/us_news-life/t/army-tests-new-body-armor-women/

I imagine we could see a chest compartment bump in the near future with as many female women who are active in military service these days in comparison to historic context.

However, it would not look remotely sexy.
One of the challenges with armor is that, well, it is heavy. When I was in the Army, my medium IBA weighed in at over 20 pounds. Given that it is just a vest, that weight is, by default, carried on the shoulders. And given that there is little customization one can do with the armor, that means for many of us that weight is carried more or less on the muscles leading to the neck rather than the shoulders themselves. By itself, this isn't all that bad but then you consider that you aren't just carrying the armor. You've likely also got ammunition which is likewise surprisingly heavy - a single magazine for an M4 weights in at around a pound and you will carry, at a minimum, seven of them in total. God forbid you are a grenadier and have to carry 30 rounds for the M203 each of which weighs in at around a half pound. Beyond that, you'll likely want something to drink and as such will probably carry a liter or two of water. By the time you're done, your body armor plus all the gear attached to your body armor can easily weigh in between 50 and 80 pounds.

In order to make this at least somewhat comfortable, the solution is to wear the armor very tight across the chest to help carry the load better and keep the armor and equipment from shifting as you move. Depending upon chest size, I can imagine that if one were to keep the current armor tight enough that you gain any real tangible benefit, it would be either uncomfortable or painful.

I can certainly understand why women would want armor that conforms to their physiology. Of course, given that these items are mass produced, I could simply go on and say I'd have liked something that better conformed to my own.
 

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Well, thank god for that.
I was seriously starting to get worried about whether or not she would ever actually get any armor and this looks great. It looks like something one would wear in an actual combat situation, sure it's a bit form fitting but then so was her armor in Mass Effect 1 anyway. As it stands it looks badass and it's stylish and it's sexy, this is a fitting outfit for the first human female Spectre (at least in my standard game)
Welcome back Ashley, I've missed you very much.

As far as the hair thing goes, honestly as long as it's not getting up in her face I honestly don't mind. It's better then it was and frankly even though this isn't perfect, it's just such a huge leap from what seems to be the 'standard' for female characters in Mass Effect games so far that I can live with it.
Ashley has nice hair, I see no problem with her letting it down. I'm not going to find anything to complain about here, not just because I can't find a legitimate issue but also because I don't want to. I've got it all, she's back in Mass Effect 3, she's a squadmate, I can romance her, if the dialogue of the leaked scripts is anything to go on she's much the same sassy lass she was when I first met her and finally they've given her armor that looks appropriate in war.
That's all I ever asked for in Mass Effect 3, at least as far as Ashley is concerned.

EDIT: Also I'm really not that bothered by her breast size either, all the females in Mass Effect seem to be getting a bust size up and while that's still not great in and of itself, the fact that she can still wear practical armor over them makes up for that fact.
Practicality and sexy aren't mututally exclusive.
Seriously people, it's not that bad. This is actually a pretty happy moment for me.

EDIT 2: Also screw the haters,
[HEADING=1]Ash is awesome.[/HEADING]
 

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Eh I don't care so much about the armor, but about the fact that that's not Ashley. It doesn't look like her at all. But I'm reserving my judgement for when I'm playing it the day it comes out. I just pray to God they didn't completely Mirandize her and that there's still some resemblance of the first game.
I don't understand why they completely overhauled the way she looks, I mean she was just fine in both ME1 and ME2. You shouldn't worry about fixing what ain't broke, but rather trying to make sure all the pieces fit together.
 

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Did this thread momentarily devolve into a discussion about amour boobs? Really? *Sigh*

Everything, from the let out hair and the face makeover to the sexualised amour is to make her more attractive. In the first game her looks reflected her character so I can understand if some people may think she looks strange, but she's not exactly an Alliance Miliatry soldier anymore. She's a Spectre agent (like Tela Vasir) so I'm sure it's perfectly acceptable for her to let her goddamn hair down. She's basically become ME3's Miranda but I'm not complaining, as long as her character is a deep as Bioware promised.

If anything she looks less creepy and more realistic.
 

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Eclectic Dreck said:
Kahunaburger said:
Yeah, it seems generally okay in the context of the Mass Effect aesthetic, and miles less stupid* than some of the stuff in ME2.

*Although the boob-contour armor thing is still pretty silly.
Actually, it really isn't. Consider that the armor in question also represents a viable space suit. It turns out, of all the things that can kill you in space there is one people don't often consider: pressure. Or rather a lack of pressure. Modern space suits are big bulky affairs and much of the engineering challenge in their construction (and improving upon them) lies in the fact that they are pressure suits that need to maintain a constant 1/3 atmosphere pressure around the body. There are people out there trying very hard to improve upon the current design of the pressure suit with something that is <a href=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/space-suits.html>surprisingly form fitting.

When you further consider that the actual protection of armor in the Mass Effect universe is being provided by Mass Effect Kinetic Barriers, the tight fit becomes less of an issue. And, of course, the tight fitting armor applies to all species and genders so at least it is equal opportunity in that regard.

Really, it is one of the only examples of such armor that I can look at and say "makes sense".
I feel like I learn a cool new fact every time I read one of your posts. You should teach. I didn't know about the new spacesuits, but its cool to see real life starting to resemble fiction.
 

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MrDeckard said:
Ashley? Ashley who?

OH! You mean that xenophobe that I traded for Kaiden? Why does SHE keep getting attention?
Because the only ME character less interesting than Kaiden is Jacob. I don't necessarily agree 100%, but it's what most people think.
 

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MercurySteam said:
Everything, from the let out hair and the face makeover to the sexualised amour is to make her more attractive.
Which is exactly the problem.



"We let her hair down and gave her sex appeal."

They changed her for the express purpose of making her 'sexy'. I do wish Matt Rhodes and not Derek Watts was the art lead for that series...
 

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Kahunaburger said:
to the best of our historical knowledge always has been [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090406/joan_of_arc.jpg].
some proof huh? Not only does the painting show that the amour is clearly designed for females but it's a painting...Often exaggerated like how we use Photoshop.

I don't remember any females back in the ye olde days who actually wore the same shape of plate and personally I would feel sorry for any females who had to because there is a general difference in body shape.
 

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why does she now look like a hooker and nothing like the original, im not talking about her armour here i mean her face has undergone hooker syndrome and is even more unappealing