New "Missing link" for evolution!

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

When ignorance clashes with more ignorance, everybody walks away more closed-minded and are certainly none the wiser.

DISCUSS, NOT DEBATE.

Debate, ideally, is how we challenge our beliefs. Telling someone not to debate - to not share and question their viewpoints - is demanding ignorance.

You aren't contributing anything to the discussion with your post. You're just adding flame to the fire.

But this is not an ideal place for a debate of any sort.

Debating is fine when it's not done anonymously, but online, it turns into a childish slapfight where points are not conceded, but are instead either ignored, attacked, dismissed or challenged with bullshit.

Then you feel that there's no point of discussing anything online when you disagree with anyone. What are you doing here?

Having been proven wrong just now, I am now going to ignore, attack, dismiss and challenge your claim with bullshit.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Having been proven wrong just now, I am now going to ignore, attack, dismiss and challenge your claim with bullshit.

And I'll ignore it and move on. Have a pleasant day.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Having been proven wrong just now, I am now going to ignore, attack, dismiss and challenge your claim with bullshit.

And I'll ignore it and move on. Have a pleasant day.

And you as well, good sir.

 

[Kinguendo]

Woah, where is my false point? It was a fair point, and if it has revieled that religion is easily corruptable then there is clearly something wrong there... oh, and that wasnt my intention... I just wanted that guy to see that people saying stuff like "Suck it, christians" is nothing in comparison to people going "DIE MUSLIMS AND JEWS!" and chopping them up. Also, have you not heard about the piece of wood from the true cross that the christians wanted and killed for? That wasnt about land or money.

Your right, him saying 'Suck it, christians" is nothing in comparison to people saying "DIE MUSLIMS AND JEWS!" in that he actually said 'Suck it, christians'. So yeah, the Crusades reference is still a false point you were trying to make. So far as the religious rationale behind the Crusades, they wouldn't have happened if King Richard didn't want the land and resources that could be gained and we can't say whether or not it would have happened if there wasn't something of religious significance there.

So you are saying that no Christian has exhibited hatred against Muslims or Jews? What a peaceful world you must live in... Also, the official reason for the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from Seljuq Turkish control, so that the holy places in the city could be protected and pilgrimage to them allowed... So yeah, it was for land... holy land.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

t's not good logic to say that one can have their own belief without fear of it being ripped to shreds? I'm ok with people discussing things, but not just calling people wrong, as SOD assault has stated.

If you fear your belief will be ripped to shreds, how much faith do you have in your belief? If it turns out you're wrong about something, isn't that really just an opportunity for discovery?

I'm not (ideally) out to stomp on anyone's sand castles.

 

[scotth266]

t's not good logic to say that one can have their own belief without fear of it being ripped to shreds? I'm ok with people discussing things, but not just calling people wrong, as SOD assault has stated.

If you fear your belief will be ripped to shreds, how much faith do you have in your belief? If it turns out you're wrong about something, isn't that really just an opportunity for discovery?

I'm not (ideally) out to stomp on anyone's sand castles.

Well, that was my point :X

What I was trying to say is that he sort of went and called him wrong right off the bat, as opposed to saying something like: I think that X is true.

As long as no sand-castle-stomping takes place, I'm fine with discussing things. It's just that particular statement was a bit on the stompy side.

 

[shadowstriker86]

did anyone else notice that this thing looks like a tiny shriveled up dinosaur? lol

 

[SultanP]

Suck on it, Christians!!!!

im ubberly offended. im catholic and i believe in creationism WITH WITH evolution. why cant they exist together? in peace and harmony bla bla bla

Because one idea is founded on scientific discovery and the other on an invisible sky man who magic'd everything into being.

that is extremely insulting to my religion. keep it clean and to yourself please. you dont see me starting a fight but i take this as a flame on a container of gasoline.

on topic: the skeleton is cool..

Could you stop being insulted at every turn? It's completely rediculous. There wasn't even an insult in the last post you quoted. And who cares if your religion is insulted? No one insulted you, and if you live anywhere in the "western society", we have free speech, and you should stop being so damn sensitive. Seriously, when do religious people stop bitching? Religion ruled once, now it doesn't there is a reason, get over it.

 

[Kinguendo]

Really? You dont think religions want the other religions to die? The Bible, the apocolypse everyone who isnt christian... DIES... painfully by the sounds of it. The Kuran, alot of people blowing themselves up in the name of allah alot recently... wonder if that has anything to do with the Kuran? Also, there are alot of ignorant christians... especially in America, havent you heard people going on about Muslims and stuff like that? Hell just look at the republicans saying that Obama is a Muslim... Clearly they think something is wrong with that.

Thinking that your ideas are correct and wanted those who disagree with you to die are two different things, I really hope you see that because otherwise you are a very scary person being that you disagree with more than 90% of the planet. Religious are not personal entities (a point I believe you made not to long ago) the don't want or hate anything. Are there people who happen to be Christian who want Muslims to die? Yes. There are atheists people who want them to die too. While I'm sure neither of us has any real data on the subject I can tell you that all, not even most but all of the Christians I've met while whom I've discussed the Crusades (which is quite a few, I'm a Christian who loves playing Devil's advocate) has expressed shame or disownment of the Crusades.

In religious books it actually says to change their religions or kill them (a concept picked up by the christians during the crusade... yes, its back), as the romans did with christians, and I have heard that it actually states this in the Kuran from a very reliable source. Also, the bible says that before the apocolypse there will be many wars, and christians want the end of the world to come because it is apparently the second coming of christ so therefore they wouldnt stop wars would they... therefore alot of people are going to die as a result of christianity, nothing ever changes with religion... except the size and destructive power of their weapons. Religion is a man-made concept and is controlled and changed by men, and every religion is open to interpritation. Its a dangerous tool indeed and easily made evil.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.

Ah, except those that believe that God created evolution...

It's interesting how god becomes less and less powerful as scientific theories become accepted by mainstream scholars and officials. It's like they're trying to compromise - meet us halfway.

 

[CIA]

not according to my priest. but I dont wanna fight I just want to tell you according to the bible God created every single animal and person so evolution would be completely pointless

Well, personally, if I was God I would blow stuff up (Big Bang) to see what happens (formation of stars, black holes [and revelations], nebulas, collection of dust into planets, and finally evolution on a very small speck of my creation called Earth.)

Just a thought.

 

[quiet_samurai]

There is no "Missing Link" all animals are the apex of their evolution.

 

[tacomonkey 360]

Hooray! Maybe those religious wackos will stop hassling for taking about Evolution in science class. Most likely not but still Hooray.

 

[murphy7801]

so how is the body so well preserved if there aren't many animals from this period what happen did fall in tar or what (unlikely if its in Germany) does anybody no anything about this damn ape monkies preservation

 

[SoonerMatt]

This is why I got into science: The discoveries that may not seem like a big deal at first but end up having a huge impact in the long run.

 

[Kinguendo]

Really? You dont think religions want the other religions to die? The Bible, the apocolypse everyone who isnt christian... DIES... painfully by the sounds of it. The Kuran, alot of people blowing themselves up in the name of allah alot recently... wonder if that has anything to do with the Kuran? Also, there are alot of ignorant christians... especially in America, havent you heard people going on about Muslims and stuff like that? Hell just look at the republicans saying that Obama is a Muslim... Clearly they think something is wrong with that.

Thinking that your ideas are correct and wanted those who disagree with you to die are two different things, I really hope you see that because otherwise you are a very scary person being that you disagree with more than 90% of the planet. Religious are not personal entities (a point I believe you made not to long ago) the don't want or hate anything. Are there people who happen to be Christian who want Muslims to die? Yes. There are atheists people who want them to die too. While I'm sure neither of us has any real data on the subject I can tell you that all, not even most but all of the Christians I've met while whom I've discussed the Crusades (which is quite a few, I'm a Christian who loves playing Devil's advocate) has expressed shame or disownment of the Crusades.

In religious books it actually says to change their religions or kill them (a concept picked up by the christians during the crusade... yes, its back), as the romans did with christians, and I have heard that it actually states this in the Kuran from a very reliable source. Also, the bible says that before the apocolypse there will be many wars, and christians want the end of the world to come because it is apparently the second coming of christ so therefore they wouldnt stop wars would they... therefore alot of people are going to die as a result of christianity, nothing ever changes with religion... except the size and destructive power of their weapons. Religion is a man-made concept and is controlled and changed by men, and every religion is open to interpritation. Its a dangerous tool indeed and easily made evil.

Actually, all the Qur'an really says is that you are allowed to shed blood to protect your religion, but that has been interpreted multiple ways. Based on Muhammad's time period, where most pagan Arab tribes were trying to kill him for his faith, I think it is quite acceptable.

Oh, if only that was the only remotely violent thing in the Qur'an. Please read these quotes:

?We have created, for hell, many genii (races) of men...and they are like brute beasts? (7.179)

?Verily, those who disbelieve our signs, we will surely cast them to be broiled in the hell-fire, so often as their skins shall be well burnt, We will give them new skins in exchange, so that they may taste the sharper torment? (4.56)

?Whosoever followeth any religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him in this life, and in the next life he shall be of those who perish? (3.85)

?I will cast a dread into the hearts of the unbelievers? (8.12)

?Therefore cut off their heads, and strike off all the ends of the fingers. This shall they suffer because they have opposed Allah and His Prophet, and whosoever shall oppose Allah and His Prophet, verily Allah will be severe in punishing them? (8.13)

?moreover, as for the non-believers, I will punish them with grievous punishments in this world, and in the world is to come? (3.56)

?they shall suffer a grievous punishment? (3.77).

?They (believers) shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain? (9:111).?

 

[murphy7801]

i got idea for a tv show after the section its called "America got testament" where they get presented with any idea and find a as many ways for the bible to disapprove in 60 seconds

would you like to join my idea i think it could be a sucess

 

[Nuke_em_05]

Snip.

Well, it would have had infinite time, infinite space, and near infinite matter. We're just at some random, arbitrary point in the universe - it's a biiiiiiiiiig universe. Doesn't seem that implausible. Near infinite improbability isn't insurmountable when you have infinite time and resources.

Well, then the I suppose it isn't insurmountable to believe in the near infinite improbability that before our universe, there was a greater intelligence that created it.