New pokemon are different

[Terminate421]

I'm not sold on the OP, I just preferred the general design aesthetic of the first two generations more. That and the fact that I'm predisposed to hate new Pokemon, too much "Oh hi, we took out of the game, so here's a . That's what was briliant about Generation II, The Pidgeys and Hoothoots, the Rattatas and Sentrets. They coexisted in peace instead of driving each other out.

Design and name. Gamefreak got lazy. The fact that it has whatever stats means nothing to someone who doesn't rely on a 3DS for online multiplayer.

Says the guy who swears by Cofagrigus...

Okay...now I have to ***** at you.

Liking a design doesn't change one's dignity, how about playing the newer pokemon before hating on them.

Also, newer pokemon can totally coexist, why? Becuase newer pokemon are covering places older pokemon never went.

Where are penguins? Empoleon
Where are palm trees? Tropius
Where are actual dragons? Salamence
Where are sea turtles (Blastoise is a turle, not a sea turtle)? Caracosta

With out those, the ecosystem for pokemon would surely fall apart. In essence, newer generations are needed, I will agree that they are not all perfect but then again. Jynx and Mr. Mime are the worst looking and thought out pokemon ever. Also, there is such a thing as too simple:

Captcha: Stand up guy

 

[Nazulu]

We've all noticed the trend that newer pokemon tend to have a bit more design choices than before. This is still a good thing.

Now before I get started, I'd say this whole topic is kinda useless as it will just attract the scum known as Genwunners.

Lets take a look at the most simple design for a pokemon game:

Blatoise, while not a bad design, probably represents the most lazy thought process I can think of, "A giant turtle....with cannons on its shoulders!" This simplicity is seen as the frontal for the 1st generation of pokemon and some say "Pokemon should be realistic and believable like this!" This is where I laugh at them.

Now lets take a look at a pokemon with some more design choices:

Right from the name, you can tell where the origin of Samurott's design came from. Hell, it gets better:

That sword came from his frontal arms where the sheaths are. This follows much to the Blastoise design however, keeps simplicity as an afterthought thus coming up with a badass design. "Lets get, an Otter, give him some samurai armor, a beard, and put impossible to grow items (in this case swords) on his shoulders like Blastoise!" Its not particularly realistic, but Alakazam carries spoons around so this fits to that theme.

Pokemon have been getting better and better, before we had Good ones, classics, Mr. Mime and Jynx (The worst designs ever), now we just get Good ones, new ones, and the ice cream shaped pokemon.

My personal favorite designs are the 2nd and the 4th generations actually. Also the games themselves, as they had the most changes.

Pokemon may have been changing but its for the better

How the hell do you people figure Blastoise is lazy, the design is efficient and the whole point is to look tough. Blastoise is easy on the eyes, while your example of a better design is the over-the-top samurai seal with a tacky helmet and beard, and the large sword is just a lame try hard anime thing.

I can actually tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime, they are lame too but they are nowhere as desperate as the ice cream and garbage bag.

The new generations seem to becoming a better example of not how to design the more I stay here.

 

[Terminate421]

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Blastoise was lazy. Whether you like it or not. Its lazy, people want plausible designs and they litterally added fucking metal cannons into his back. I think its plausible if that were to be able to exist that a pokemon would be able to have swords with them. Even then, its the origin of its design. If it was Samurott and just had the fucking beard, you'd never get where the Samurai part came from, even with just the swords you still wouldn't, you'd probably think "So why didn't they name him Sworott?". This design is still "easy on the eyes" as you can immediatly tell what he's supposed to be just like Blastoise.

There is such a thing as too simple and too complex and so far we have very few pokemon that even touch those boundaries. Not just found in newer generations either.

You can tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime but you cannot stand newer pokemon?

They aren't even easy on the eyes either!

 

[Nazulu]

Ultimate badass legendary gen1 -> current gen

I like the part where you complement Mewtwo but then insult Reshi-Kyurem. I'm just going leave a relatively simple pokemon design who I felt was badass:

1st. Right from the start, you can tell not only he's a legendary, but can kick your shit while not looking too complex.

No, I can't tell he's legendary and he isn't exactly complex but just looks like a mess. Once again, the really try-hard anime cliche' of having goofy hair, shit sticking out of everywhere and even it's mini-skirt. Funny, my captcha even says "over the top".

It's not that people bash new designs because they're different, it's because they are just théy're disappointing and we're allowed to criticise.

Also, cut the genwunner shit. Calling people 'trolls' was mostly used as an insult and banned because of it, this is no different. Just because someone disagree's with you, doesn't mean you can start labeling them.

 

[Terminate421]

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I don't hate people that are not into newer pokemon. I'm one to take on people who despise newer pokemon that:

A. Never actually played them
B. Couldn't find ONE design they liked

If you don't like newer generations of pokemon, fine, thats your choice, but don't attempt to ruin it for those that do.

Also, Darkrai ain't silly, he's got lots spikes but what do you expect from a demon who gives you nightmares. And how could you possibly not see the "Legendary" status he carried? Gamefreak uses design tips to give the impression of Legendary status, stand-alone colors for one, using prominent stuff to give you the impression of it's typing, then comes the little details which may give you insight as to what anomaly it rules over in its domain, Mewtwo is a clone, Zapdos is lightning, Lugia is storms, Zekrom is the idea of elecricity in general, Kyogre is the sea, and now Darkrai is a demon.

There is a massive difference between a troll and a genwunner, trolls intentionally piss people off, Genwunners whine, ***** and moan about something that they need to just deal with. Also, I just hate the phrase "shut up, X pokemon didn't happen!

Here's an example, I love Dead space, all of them are great, I saw the trailer for Dead Space 3 and shat my pants in fear of how bad and "not dead-spacey" it will be. This does not mean I will disregard it just because it's shit, I will know its there and one day I'll actually try it but I still regard it as a Dead Space game because it IS a Dead Space game.

 

[Ashadowpie]

i personally like gen 1 and 2 because they DO look like animals/plants, just with imagination. i was never into the inanimate object concept with pokemon no matter what gen, the new gen "plastic" look is just awful too.

 

[Nazulu]

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Blastoise was lazy. Whether you like it or not. Its lazy, people want plausible designs and they litterally added fucking metal cannons into his back. I think its plausible if that were to be able to exist that a pokemon would be able to have swords with them. Even then, its the origin of its design. If it was Samurott and just had the fucking beard, you'd never get where the Samurai part came from, even with just the swords you still wouldn't, you'd probably think "So why didn't they name him Sworott?". This design is still "easy on the eyes" as you can immediatly tell what he's supposed to be just like Blastoise.

There is such a thing as too simple and too complex and so far we have very few pokemon that even touch those boundaries. Not just found in newer generations either.

You can tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime but you cannot stand newer pokemon?

They aren't even easy on the eyes either!

Hehe, whether you like it or not, gen 1 have better aesthetics and there is no problem with the cannons, they suit the character just fine, they don't stick out so much that it becomes a main focus. While the helmet and beard is too much. I can almost call him whacky in his design.

There is always a better way to do things and this isn't one of them. And just because he was meant the same position as Blastoise doesn't excuse it's tackiness.

 

[Terminate421]

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You and me see things quite differently.....added details mean little to me until they get to digimon level and yet here we are whining over complex/too simply designed pokemon.

I'm just gonna leave it at this:

All pokemon are pokemon. There is no better generation in terms of stats or design. I hope we get more pokemon at a decent pace.

i personally like gen 1 and 2 because they DO look like animals/plants, just with imagination. i was never into the inanimate object concept with pokemon no matter what gen, the new gen "plastic" look is just awful too.

Not one pokemon looks good? Come on...find something you like past generation.....3.

I'll give you a cookie if you're honest.

(For future reference, they still look like plants and animals.)

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

The Designs I don't mind too much, I mean sure some of them are weird, like that one that's just a Candle with a Face.
The thing that gets me though is the PokeDex Entry's, in all Gen's, not just current.
I forget which one, it was like a Balloon sorta thing, anyway, it is said that it is formed by A DEAD PERSON'S SOUL!.
I know that several adults enjoy pokemon, but lets not kid ourselves, It's aimed at kids, then I read stuff like this and...just DAMN.

 

[Nazulu]

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I don't hate people that are not into newer pokemon. I'm one to take on people who despise newer pokemon that:

A. Never actually played them
B. Couldn't find ONE design they liked

If you don't like newer generations of pokemon, fine, thats your choice, but don't attempt to ruin it for those that do.

Also, Darkrai ain't silly, he's got lots spikes but what do you expect from a demon who gives you nightmares. And how could you possibly not see the "Legendary" status he carried? Gamefreak uses design tips to give the impression of Legendary status, stand-alone colors for one, using prominent stuff to give you the impression of it's typing, then comes the little details which may give you insight as to what anomaly it rules over in its domain, Mewtwo is a clone, Zapdos is lightning, Lugia is storms, Zekrom is the idea of elecricity in general, Kyogre is the sea, and now Darkrai is a demon.

There is a massive difference between a troll and a genwunner, trolls intentionally piss people off, Genwunners whine, ***** and moan about something that they need to just deal with. Also, I just hate the phrase "shut up, X pokemon didn't happen!

Here's an example, I love Dead space, all of them are great, I saw the trailer for Dead Space 3 and shat my pants in fear of how bad and "not dead-spacey" it will be. This does not mean I will disregard it just because it's shit, I will know its there and one day I'll actually try it but I still regard it as a Dead Space game because it IS a Dead Space game.

Hahaha, you have a problem with people who couldn't find one design they liked? Also, am I ruining any thing for you? Does any one over the net actually ruin any thing for you?

No, I can't tell that any pokemon were legendary really, I just assumed it when they look really cool, Darkrai is just meh. I can't see any spikes on him, are you talking about the goofy collar? Or the bottom of his skirt thing?

Genwunners and trolls have one thing in common, they are both used as a quick insult because you can't abuse people here. Fucking don't do it, it's basically trolling.

As for people who say things don't happen, what the hells wrong with that? If they think it's so bad it shouldn't exist, well nothing is going to change that, especially not hostility. Seriously, the equivalent is having a problem with people who do accept things, and that just starts a chain reaction.

 

[Nazulu]

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You and me see things quite differently.....added details mean little to me until they get to digimon level and yet here we are whining over complex/too simply designed pokemon.

I'm just gonna leave it at this:

All pokemon are pokemon. There is no better generation in terms of stats or design. I hope we get more pokemon at a decent pace.

No ones fucking whining, stop being a drama queen.

Generation 1 and 2 has the most great designs out of all, I'm not gonna lie just to make the insecure people happy.

 

[Westaway]

Uh, yeah. That's why they're being called digimon, now.
But I mean, some of the first gen pokes suck. Eggsecute? Seriously? I bunch of eggs?
Mr Mime? Jinx? What the fuck ARE those?
Every gen has good AND bad designs, and no gen is better than any other.
Except Hoenn, which is not only confirmed but also the best.

 

[Dryk]

Okay...now I have to ***** at you.

Liking a design doesn't change one's dignity, how about playing the newer pokemon before hating on them.

I got the previous two generations on release, and own games from all five. How about not blindly hating everyone that dare question the direction the designs have taken.

Also, newer pokemon can totally coexist, why? Becuase newer pokemon are covering places older pokemon never went.

Where are penguins? Empoleon
Where are palm trees? Tropius
Where are actual dragons? Salamence
Where are sea turtles (Blastoise is a turle, not a sea turtle)? Caracosta

With out those, the ecosystem for pokemon would surely fall apart. In essence, newer generations are needed, I will agree that they are not all perfect but then again. Jynx and Mr. Mime are the worst looking and thought out pokemon ever. Also, there is such a thing as too simple:

I meant gameplay-wise, I thought that was obvious. I would rather complementary and coexisting new Pokemon, rather than "totally not Zubat" and "totally not Pidgey again"

 

[Phindin]

Okay. Like, how can you whine about inanimate object Pokemon while also heralding the Gen I designs? Yes, Litwick is a candle with a face. Hey wait.

Gastly is a ball of gas with a face.

Voltorb is just a ball with a face. Ditto with Electrode, obviously, thus completing far and away the laziest evolution progression in any generation. Except maybe Dugtrio. Wait that's Gen I too okay never mind.

Exeggcute is half a dozen eggs, each with a face. And it's Grass/Psychic? Are eggs plants? I thought they were in the protein food group, like with the fish. And they made them Psychic, too? Huh? Wait, is this real? Hello? Am I really typing this?

Magnemite is a ball with two magnets attached on each end. It doesn't even have a face, it just has an eye. Why do I get the impression that if Magnemite had come out in Gen V, people would be saying something along the lines of: "Wow they made a Pokemon out of a magnet? Jeez these guys are getting lazy. Then there's that bunch of eggs, too, how dumb is that. The Gen V designs are so stupid."

 

[BrotherRool]

I'd be predisposed to the opinion that gen 1 designs are better. (Well actually gen 2, gen 2 redesigns of gen 1 looked so much better and the sounds improved so much. It's a graphical detail, but also at lot gen 1 pokemon looked like complete nonsensical blobs from pure design. I guess that's not a critique of the actual design, as 'in-game design' but still)


However my sisters who are 9 years younger than me, don't agree even in the tiniest for me. There are arguments either way, Gen 1 was first so those designs are more likely to be iconic regardless of merit (besides the fact most of us are of an age where we don't watch the cartoon or wear Pikachu bags any longer, so we're not exposed enough to raise it to that level). Whats more Gamefreak grow more experienced, take advantage of better graphics and make a better design.

On the other hand, Gen 1 might take all the best designs and it makes sense that they'd run out of ideas, they could become complacent etc.

So it's pretty clear you can logically justify the case either way, so unless someone here has personally acquaintance with Gamefreak designers, we're not going to clear this up with arguments.

And since it seems like the people raised on Gen 4 don't agree with us, I'm putting this down to bias unless proved otherwise. 'It's not bias, it just makes sense' is exactly what biased people think, you can't recognise your own bias easily, just as I can't recognise that I'm biased to gen 2. Especially since we're talking about a ridiculously subjective thing. But if we were unbiased then the people who didn't grow up with Gen 1 would be agreeing with us, and I haven't seen that happening and have seen the opposite instead. Even if we're right, Gen 1 isn't so superior that it can get past the baises of later gen people so it's generally all the same.

I agree with the OP though, that the picture pretty well describes the change in Pokemon. I'm just not going to say that either style is superior to the other

 

[Clearing the Eye]

I wish people would drop the hipster attitude and throw away their rose goggles. I'm sick of this idiotic argument. Generation I was so painfully unoriginal, they named the majority of the Pokemon after the exact animal they are cloned from, often simply misspelling it -- Caterpie? Butterfree? Kakuna? Beedrill? Pidgey? Rattata? Ekans (snake backwards)? Arbok (Kobra)? Zubat? Golbat? Meowth? Persian? Psyduck? Golduck? Mankey? Arcanine? Tentacool? Ponyta? Magnemite? Seel? Shellder? Krabby? Rhyhorn? Horsea? Satryu? Mr. Fucking Mime? Etc., etc.

Let's have a look at the genius that is first generation "Pokemon."

Lizard
Lizard
Dragon
Turtle
Turtle x2
Turtle x3
Caterpillar
Cocoon
Butterfly
Caterpillar x2
Cocoon x2
Bee
Bird
Rat
A bigger rat
Bird x2
Snake
A bigger snake
Mouse
Pangolin
Cat
Bat
A bigger bat
A plant
Another plant
Yet another plant
Crab
Big crab
Moth (Butterfly x2)
Worm
Cat
Duck
Duck again
Monkey
Dog
Frog
A person
A plant x2
Jellyfish
A rock
Bigger rock
Bigger rock again
Horse
Horse x2
Otter
A magnet
More magnets
Bird x3
Bird x4
Seal
A pile of shit
A shell
A bigger shell
Ghost
More ghost
Some more ghost
Crab x2
Bigger crab
A ball with a face
A bigger ball with a face
Egg
Tree
A person x2
A person x3
Rhino
A bunch of lines
Seahorse
Fish
Starfish
Starfish x2
A fucking mime
Praying mantis
A black woman (*facepalm*)
Beetle
Bull
Fish x2
A blob
Cat x2
Cat x3
Cat x4
Cat x5
A shell x2
Trilobite
A fat guy
Bird x5
Bird x6
Bird x7
Dragon

Amazing. How creative and original.

People, Pokemon has always been about copying real animals and putting faces on objects. They've run out of animals to misspell and are now just making shit up. There's statistically no more intimate objects now than there was then. Gen 1 was just as stupid as all the rest and they all have terrible Pokemon in them.

Source: guy that's plays the shit out of Pokemon since Red and Green.

 

[NegaWiki]

I was introduced to the series during Gen 3, so I might be a bit biased when I say that Gen. 3 had the best designs. They were simple but effective.
A mongoose with a grudge, anyone?
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d3/335Zangoose.png
A ninja insect?
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/7/76/291Ninjask.png
Whatever this is.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/e/ea/253Grovyle.png
And I was scared to death when I saw this beast.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/12/295Exploud.png
There were some Pokemon that were god awful but on a whole Gen 3 was awesome.

 

[Beryl77]

The designs may have changed during the years but to expect that the design would remain the same for over a decade is a bit silly. Of course they're going to try some new things and I like that because otherwise it would get a bit stale in my opinion.

I don't think that the designs got worse. Now looking back, Gen 1 had a couple of Pokemons which have some of the worst or stupidest designs. I was only a little kid back then and didn't think much about that stuff. I loved the game and looked past the bad designs because there were many good ones as well, just like in all Gens. Good and bad Pokemons. Now however, I'm thinking much more critically when I play a game.
When I saw a bad looking Pokemon as a kid, I didn't care. I simply didn't catch it and that's it. Now, when I see a Pokemon whose design I don't like, it bothers me much more.

I bet in ten years people will have the same discussion and talk about how the new Gen 10 Pokemon look worse than the great Gen 5 Pokemon and that GameFreak's Pokemon designs have started to look bad after Gen 6.

Really, this discussion is so old. It's the usual, Father says the son's music is bad and the son say his father's music is lame. There isn't really a point to this. Like what you like and dislike what you dislike but don't tell other people what to like and dislike.

 

[son_of_x51]

Really, this discussion is so old. It's the usual, Father says the son's music is bad and the son say his father's music is lame. There isn't really a point to this. Like what you like and dislike what you dislike but don't tell other people what to like and dislike.

It's all a matter of personal preference. I think we all agree that there is at least a difference between the older and newer stuff (as pointed out by the picture by OP), but the aesthetics of design are pure opinion.

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