While I feel the same way, the reason for the overexposure of the daleks is that they are owned by the Terry nation foundation, and part of the clause to use them in the new series of DW was to have them in every series. It was annoying under RTD's rule when they'd all be wiped out only to return a fortnight later through some magical mcguffin, but I like what SM did by re-birthing the whole race, gets rid of the pathetic "i killed them all...except for that one" thing that happened before.Konrad Curze said:
New season of Doctor Who ranting (some spoilers)
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Thats a good point but my main issue is that he has a tardis that can go anywhere within time and space and yet the writers continuously bring him back to cardiff or london. Its a sci fi show, I want to see a planet and a different time period every episode.I wouldn't expect the enterprise to pop back to the states every 5 episodes just as i don't expect doctor who to do the same.Hashime said:
Well...there's actually a chance...But no...Lord George said:Wait till you see the Amy's Choice episode and then see if you can still figure it out before the Doctor.
I can't see what the fuss is about. The series has been getting the best reviews, best writers and is actually worth watching again. Doesn't the fact that you actually feel compelled to write this much work actually mean it HAS to be that good.
I mean, you may not agree with it, but it makes you FEEL you HAVE to say something. And that's the epitome of good media/art/tv.
If you don't like it, meh. But it's WAY better than some of the tripe that RTD tried to pass off.
Nip back and take a look at Paradise Towers or Kinda or The Wire and tell me it's got worse since then, I dare ya.
So, an American asking why our programmes are always filmed in London? Mind letting me know why the "World Series" has mostly American teams?mr.hotandspicy said:
First and formost, it's an English series. Secondly, the cost would be extortionate.
And anyway, most of the new series happens in Upper Knebworth.
As soon as I see his writing other than stealing ideas from others, I might think about this.Shadow of The East said:
I normally use quote tags, but with this forum software, quote boxes look exactly the same as spoiler boxes and it looked confusing, so I'll do the "responses in bold (and green)" thing.
Also, I love how the seasons usually have some background thing tying them together. I never picked up on Bad Wolf until after the Doctor, and never realized how pervasive it was till they went back and showed us. This season, they are basically slapping you in the face with it every episode. They are purposely making sure you know it is there, like some bad magician telling you to keep your eyes on the pocket watch before he fumbles the disappearing act and shoves it up his sleeve. This doesn't make us feel smart, it just makes you look dumb. A lot of fans (including myself) think that this particular running theme is sort of a red herring, and that there's something else going on in the background that the cracks are distracting us from.
And finally, plot wise, the group going in knew they were going to be handling (a) Weeping Angel(s), did you mean to put that in italics tags? yet all they brought with them to take care of it were guns, which for some reason even though it's the future, aren't powerful enough to do more than chip stone. I personally, would have at least brought a sledgehammer. After watching how much good the bullets did,
I'm fairly certain that sledgehammers wouldn't work either. Now, as for why they brought guns, haven't you ever seen a movie where the militia brings guns against a monster that the audience know has no effect on it?
And don't even get me started on the expansion of the Angel's powers. There are just too many flaws there for me, not to mention they feel like the bad guy version of a Mary Sue./rant Well, I don't know if you've noticed the real gimmick in the Angels' powers:
but I think their new power fits thematically.
Actually, I think this portrayed them as MORE vulnerable than they were in "Blink," given that it not only portrayed a way to defeat them without tricking them into looking at each other, but also showed us
Also, I love how the seasons usually have some background thing tying them together. I never picked up on Bad Wolf until after the Doctor, and never realized how pervasive it was till they went back and showed us. This season, they are basically slapping you in the face with it every episode. They are purposely making sure you know it is there, like some bad magician telling you to keep your eyes on the pocket watch before he fumbles the disappearing act and shoves it up his sleeve. This doesn't make us feel smart, it just makes you look dumb. A lot of fans (including myself) think that this particular running theme is sort of a red herring, and that there's something else going on in the background that the cracks are distracting us from.
Did you notice that in "Flesh and Stone" when he comes back to the blinded Amy and whispers those encouraging words, he suddenly has his jacket on again? Even though the Angels snagged it a few minutes before? Is that really a continuity error, or could there be a more sinister explanation?
And finally, plot wise, the group going in knew they were going to be handling (a) Weeping Angel(s), did you mean to put that in italics tags? yet all they brought with them to take care of it were guns, which for some reason even though it's the future, aren't powerful enough to do more than chip stone. I personally, would have at least brought a sledgehammer. After watching how much good the bullets did,
plus what becoming an Angel did to that control room Amy was trapped inside (River Song actually took a cutting torch to the door and it didn't even get warm)
And don't even get me started on the expansion of the Angel's powers. There are just too many flaws there for me, not to mention they feel like the bad guy version of a Mary Sue./rant Well, I don't know if you've noticed the real gimmick in the Angels' powers:
Even when no other character is watching them, they still can't move whenever they're onscreen... because WE are watching them.
If anything that holds the image of an Angel becomes an Angel, then it explains their fourth-wall-breaking ability in a way that makes them even scarier than they already were.
what happens to them if they starve.
And, while on the topic:
I do prefer Moffat's writing, but I also think that some of RTD's biggest detractors haven't seen their favorite Old Who episodes in a while... a friend of mine showed me "The Green Death" the other day, and it did pretty much everything people complain about RTD doing and more, only "Green Death" does it all in slow motion given that it's a six-episode serial in which very little actually happens.The_root_of_all_evil said:
This, although I don't mind the new Doctor. I really wish they would go to more distant planets a bit more often or at least a different country. On the whole, I think the new season is better than the last 4. It's probably because there's more episodes by Stephen Moffat.mr.hotandspicy said:
Regarding the angels, I didn't like the part where you saw them move. I was under the impression that they were not actually made of stone and only turned to stone as a defense mechanism. They generally weren't as interesting as they were originally but I guess that's to be expected.
Do you REALLY think I've not seen any old Who episodes in a while? Honestly?Sylocat said:
RTD's failings aren't his writing ability. It's his slave to symbolism while ignoring continuity. A RTD episode consists of bad Aesopping against the characterisation of the players, with the audience manipulation turned to 11.
Even when watching Black Orchid, Planet of Death or The Green Death, I've not been struck by how dumb the writers are for missing something. The actors maybe, but that's a different story.
I can even watch the horrific Mel(Bonnie Langford) with less internal ranting than fecking Rose, Jack or Marfa.
Meh, i like them both to be honest, only thing i have against the new one is his lack of experiance and general youngness. I've always considered the doctor to be someone middle aged not in the 20's like this new one seems to be.Quiet Stranger said:
Im not a fan of doctor who normally, and may or may not try watching this new one but from what i've seen, it doesnt appear to be all that bad.
^ I think you've hit on the money there. Thats the only explanation i can muster o.oHashime said:
oh come on, every other show and there dogs go to america or if the world is mentioned and shown all you usually see is that continent, alot of people who arent from america probably notice this as well, anyways Doctor Who is made in Britain and the characters are British, its expected thats where they would go. not that it makes it less interesting but still. they go to quite alot of other interesting places, just cos america isnt really on the list doesnt make it a bad thing.mr.hotandspicy said:
sorry for the rant but its something that irks me a fair bit when the world is just seen as america mostly by americans, dont know if your one but others will most likely get my point
Nah i'm Irish not american and if ya check my second post in this thread you can see my main problem. America was just a suggestion for where they could possibly go.Droa said:
The rants fine i didn't phrase my first post correctly =x
The Doctor creeped me out at the end of that episode, it was all just so... Light and breezy as he explained it with a single word.Lord George said:Wait till you see the Amy's Choice episode and then see if you can still figure it out before the Doctor
Great, great episode. Vampires of Venice wasn't too great, though, I just want Amy's fiancee to die (permanently).
Well, your mileage may vary, of course. I didn't mean you specifically (sorry if it came out like that), but I still think the ability and willingness to fill in plot holes is a requirement for Who fans of any generation, and at least RTD understands the concept of "pacing."The_root_of_all_evil said:
Even Moffat isn't immune. I'm also not 100% sure why the Weeping Angels were able to move on camera in "Flesh and Stone," when it had already been established that A, they break the fourth wall, and B, the statue form isn't even their real form, they only turn to stone when observed. Given that Moffat created them in the first place, I'm assuming there's some thematic reason and that he didn't just forget those rules (it probably had something to do with the time crack, but what?), but I have yet to decipher it. But, as mentioned above, I still love that two-parter.
Oh, and you actually prefer Mel to Jack? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
Ahhh, those two episode fall apart at the many badly made seams that hold it together. The original Angels episode was much, much better.
The only season that I have really enjoyed of the new Doctor Who was the first one. I agree that David Tennant was a better doctor than Christopher Eccleston but I just thought that the episodes he was in were much less focused. The new season really annoys me because Steve Moffat has some great ideas and has proven that he can write good episodes (The Empty Child) but they just don't flow too well and lack satsifying endings. Also, that Dalek episode was a disaster..
I guessed as muchSylocat said:
I'm not saying RTD is a bad writer, although I do have a lot of ire towards him, but he seems to think himself above certain basic writing rules. Equally, some of the old series were dull, tedious Aesopfests...but they were usually apologised for, rather than held as something mighty.
Gridlock is a great example of something that's reasonably entertaining, but collapses totally when applied to any sort of ongoing continuity.
Especially not Moffat. Jekkyl had some awful poionts.
I think there's been enough to and fro about this already. I understand to some people that it's breaking the horror, but it worked for me.
Prefer is perhaps too strong a term. Jack as a companion is quite good (note the similar man fighting between Doctor/Jack over Rose in The Empty Child and Doctor/Rory over Amy in Amy's Choice) but he's basically a Kirk/Scarlet crossbreed that has no personality beyond "Let's fuck!".
Mel maybe a insanely annoying goit, but at least she express personality.