New season of Doctor Who ranting (some spoilers)

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Cosplay Horatio

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All this ranting is the reason why the Doctor Who section of the BBC website was shutdown. Galifrey Base is on the same path to complete shutdown. All that should be are people who watch this show and people who don't.
 

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Cosplay Horatio said:
All this ranting is the reason why the Doctor Who section of the BBC website was shutdown. Galifrey Base is on the same path to complete shutdown. All that should be are people who watch this show and people who don't.
I'm sorry, I don't think I understand you. Are you saying the fans of a show shouldn't be talking about it, or talking about particular things they have problems with? No offense, but fans are always going to be picking apart the things they love. After all, there is a reason the word fan is used. It's short for fanatic. I don't know about the state of affairs on the BBC website or Galifrey Base, but I don't think there is anything to be done about people talking about things they like. And if you don't agree with something someone says, just remember it is all opinions, and everyone has there own.
 

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It took me awhile to get used to Tennant and then I grew to love him... I'm hoping this same will happen with this Doctor, but so far I'm still on the fence. What I loved about Tennant was the quirks, and his sayings (Allons-y!), and I think that this Doctor hasn't shown (or had the time to develop) any of those yet - other then the bowtie. I did however enjoy him trying to figure out what food he liked in the first episode.

I think my biggest beef this season so far is with Amy, and how they are yet-again trying to push some kind of sexual tension between them both; it's been done and for whatever reason this one just seems forced. Honestly, I loved Donna because that whole element was cut out. (That being said I loved the connection with Rose, and I think it was because it happened over time instead of being instant)
 

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(Like, "Walk like you can see". That, my friend, is what we call a flaw.)

The Angels were scared of the Time Crack...

Basically, they were focusing more on the Time Crack than anything around them. They only noticed Amy when she fell over and said "I can't find the walkie-talkie(or w/e she said)" that's how they turned round, and nearly got her..
 

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So Root the Torchwood fan club pack I sent you won't be needed? I like the New Doctor, I like the primary colour Daleks they remind me of the old sixties Daleks! If you don't like it don' watch!
 

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Kaioo said:
(Like, "Walk like you can see". That, my friend, is what we call a flaw.)

The Angels were scared of the Time Crack...

Basically, they were focusing more on the Time Crack than anything around them. They only noticed Amy when she fell over and said "I can't find the walkie-talkie(or w/e she said)" that's how they turned round, and nearly got her..
The problem with that (as someone else already stated) was that prior to this, in Blink, it was treated as an autonomic function, one they had no control over. Otherwise, the trick at the end of Blink wouldn't have worked.
If they had conscious control over it, they could have realized it was only other Weeping Angels looking at them and unfroze. Because they couldn't control it, they were trapped. In the more recent episode, they froze, not because Amy was looking at them, but because they thought she was, meaning they have control over it. They unfroze when they realized she wasn't looking at her. Not to mention, as I said before, there were times in the episode when Weeping Angels were looking at each other, and still managed to move when other people looked away.
 

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eh he's alright...i quess but you have to remember that he's carrying on from david tennant one of the best doctors ever. so he will look slightly bad.

the worst part about the angels episode was that you saw them move!you dont see the angels move! thats what makes them so eerie and terrifying. i'm telling you i'm 18 and when i saw the first weeping angel episode i was pissing my pants
 

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dragontiers said:
Furthermore, anyone else notice
at least in the scene where the Angels have a hold of the Doctor, numerous Angels are looking at each other. In fact, the whole episode the Angels never take care to cover their eyes. They are in full out attack mode, not caring if they end up looking at each other. Obviously, when they turn out the lights they can move again, but that just seems like a huge loophole to me. Furthermore, even when Amy isn't looking at them, they still seem to stay stone, just are able to move as stone. I thought they only turned to stone when you looked at them. That was part of the horror, that you never really knew for sure what they looked like. Argh, the whole way they treat the Weeping (ha!) Angels just grinds my gears. /rant
FIRSTLY: SPOILERS AHOY
Secondly, thank you! You've comprehensively put into words just how wrong they went with the angels (or at least how inconsistently they were treated).

The original inability of the angels to move whilst being observed at all was one of the most brilliantly terrifying things about them. They couldn't move whilst on camera because we could see them, and that really added to the immersion. They were terrifically fast, though: one flicker of the lights, and they'd have covered the space of a room and suddenly be face-to-face with you. They covered their faces because if two saw each other, they'd be frozen forever - unable to look away and unfreeze themselves. That was the first flaw with the trap at the end of "The Time of Angels" - the fact that they were coming down paths heading straight at each other. After all, that was the resolution of "Blink".

It seems, though, that the new Angels don't really mind all that. They look at each other, and they move in front of the camera. This was disappointing, as there was so much previous suggestion that the angels only took stone forms when frozen. When not observed, they were some kind of cosmic terror. Being allowed to see them move just gave me the impression of a garden ornament gone rogue. Further, if they're stone all the time then why do they have to stand still as a defense mechanism? The fact that they couldn't tell Amy had her eyes closed when normally they move in the space of a blink was ridiculous as well.
/rant

All that said, I really enjoyed the Stone Angels and the most recent episode ("Amy's Choice") is a good one, although wrapped up far too quickly with far too little explanation at the end. I do hope that's not the last we'll see of that line of the Doctor's development.

(Whoo, that made a good distraction from revision.)
 

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dragontiers said:
Cosplay Horatio said:
All this ranting is the reason why the Doctor Who section of the BBC website was shutdown. Galifrey Base is on the same path to complete shutdown. All that should be are people who watch this show and people who don't.
I'm sorry, I don't think I understand you. Are you saying the fans of a show shouldn't be talking about it, or talking about particular things they have problems with? No offense, but fans are always going to be picking apart the things they love. After all, there is a reason the word fan is used. It's short for fanatic. I don't know about the state of affairs on the BBC website or Galifrey Base, but I don't think there is anything to be done about people talking about things they like. And if you don't agree with something someone says, just remember it is all opinions, and everyone has there own.
Good man. You're the kind of person I could talk to. I'm saying everyone should talk about whats now and dwelling on the past series is not necessary. As long as I can talk to anyone about the current episodes without anyone chiming in about how much better the previous ones are then all is well.

Also, did you notice how in The Beast Below when Timmy went in the Vetaverse the Smilers face is already frowning after the girl says the poem and it cuts back to the wide shot of the whole Vetaverse? It also did that when the boy screams at the open floor.
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
I think the new doctor is kind of ugly, David Tennant was hot (I'm straight by the way)
All straight men who even know who David Tennant is, find him hot!

I have said too much maybe....

dragontiers said:
Kaioo said:
(Like, "Walk like you can see". That, my friend, is what we call a flaw.)

The Angels were scared of the Time Crack...

Basically, they were focusing more on the Time Crack than anything around them. They only noticed Amy when she fell over and said "I can't find the walkie-talkie(or w/e she said)" that's how they turned round, and nearly got her..
The problem with that (as someone else already stated) was that prior to this, in Blink, it was treated as an autonomic function, one they had no control over. Otherwise, the trick at the end of Blink wouldn't have worked.
If they had conscious control over it, they could have realized it was only other Weeping Angels looking at them and unfroze. Because they couldn't control it, they were trapped. In the more recent episode, they froze, not because Amy was looking at them, but because they thought she was, meaning they have control over it. They unfroze when they realized she wasn't looking at her. Not to mention, as I said before, there were times in the episode when Weeping Angels were looking at each other, and still managed to move when other people looked away.
You could argue that the series 5 Angels are so old and self aware from being alone for so long that they can somehow control it.

OR

It is never actually said that an Angel looking at another Angel's eyes is a permanent thing. At the end of Blink, all Sally Sparrow says is "He (the Doctor) tricked them" into looking at each other. They may stay as stone as a reflex but they knew when the TARDIS disappeared between them that the other Angels were across from each other and so they stayed as stone so they wouldn't look into each others eyes. But too scared not to move in case they saw each other. Remember, the Doctor says that the series 5 Angels are "patient" so time is not an issue so they could choose to be safe over sorry.
 

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I think someone in an interview gave some technobabble about how the time crack was affecting things... since it messed with people's perceptions of reality (memories and so on), it was causing the Angels' perception sensors to jump all over the place. That's why they were still stone even when we saw them moving, the quantum lock was only halfway off.

(that's the best explanation I can think of... I doubt Moffat somehow forgot how they worked in between writing "Blink" and "Time of Angels")
 

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I really liked Christopher Eccleston. Then I really liked David Tennant. And then I saw who the new "doctor" was, and I just knew I wouldn't like him. But I gave him a chance. But I still didn't like him. I initially REALLY liked Amy, but now I think I can't stand her.

My biggest problem is what others have already mentioned - Matt Smith is trying to be David Tennant. I feel like these episodes were written for DT, and now MS has to try to fill his shoes.

I'm so tired of all the same stuff being played out - Amy's in love with him (although I do not see ANY chemistry between them.) Rory (is that his name? He's so boring I can't remember his name most of the time) is the Tin Dog, just like Mickey. The Weeping Angels. The Daleks. The same crap over and over.

I mean, this is Steven Moffat. The guy who wrote every single one of my favorite Doctor Who episodes. And so far, NONE of these episodes have lived up to The Girl in the Fireplace, or Silence in the Library. Seriously. Every episode seems incredibly weak.

And then there's Lurch (MS) lurching around like some kind of revived corpse, trying to be funny, mostly just making an ass out of himself. I cannot take him seriously. I just can't. He doesn't seem at all like the Doctor to me. Or, at least, the "new" doctor. I've only seen a handful from the "old" series (and only Tom Baker episodes.)

I just can't bring myself to watch this series anymore, and it's really sad. I've been a very big Doctor Who fan since CE, and I feel like it just has taken a turn for the worse. None of my friends (or my husband) agree with me, but that's just how I personally feel.

I didn't think it could get any worse after Dumbass Donna. The only thing I liked about her was that she wasn't in love with him, like Desperate Martha was. (Incidentally, I absolutely LOVE Martha once she's part of UNIT.)

Hopefully MS will stop bumbling around like he's an idiot and will actually become an interesting person. And stop looking so much like a corpse. At least, we can dream.