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Ezekiel said:

This is hilarious. It's partly because I'm bored, but I chuckled through half the video. It's hilarious how proud they are of a shitty wheelchair, of sluggish, mechanical gameplay. It's like some absurdly stupid commercial you'd see in South Park.
I agree. looks so boring. everything here is scripted, they are using so many cutscenes as if story is any good which looking too cheesy. atleast when metro has short cinematic cutscenes. it told excellent story.

Metro exodus will blow this game out of water.

How the heck can you call the wheelchair part scripted but be excited from the Metro Exodus trailer when said trailer was nothing but scripted gameplay.
because it was trailer and not proper gameplay. and because how great first 2 metro games were and how terrible new order was.

metro exodus will have more exploration than both new order and new colossus combine. the atmosphere is what make metro great.
 

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It's edgy in its portrayal of the Nazis. Have you seen that cheesy live action game show teaser? I used to like that stuff, but now I just find it embarrassing. The old lady is so cartoonishly evil. Why is she still alive? I'd be more interested in playing as a German who changes sides but sees problems and positives on both sides. Wheelchair guy shouldn't even be alive after the ending of the last game.
Sure, it is exaggerated in its' portrayal of Nazis, but the game also goes for a grindhouse/exploitation vibe. Besides, have you heard of dudes like Heydrich, Mengele etc.? Sure, the old lady is over the top evil, but that's sort of the defining mark of Nazism. The ideology that made Nazis drop people in ice filled water and clock how long it took them to freeze to death, that poured ink into people's eyeballs to see what happened (hint: they went blind) and who tried to "separate" siamese twins just to see if they could survive without vital organs. The very ideology which called for a systematic depopulation of Ukraine, Belarus, Poland and Western Russia, where the 1/20 or so that survived would be slaves to the German "settlers" that would re-settle there. The same ideology which perpetrated the Holocaust and had 2 million Soviet PoWs die of malnourishment and exposure in the first six months of the war against the Soviet Union.

Let's face it, Nazism was only positive for the very minor minority of people that were "True Aryans", which was something like 30 million people in a world of 4+ billion in the 1940's. Let's not pretend as if there's much that's positive about Nazism, because when it wasn't hideously evil it was downright incompetent (ie. Nazi economic policy and staggering corruption).
 

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Ezekiel said:
It's edgy in its portrayal of the Nazis. Have you seen that cheesy live action game show teaser? I used to like that stuff, but now I just find it embarrassing. The old lady is so cartoonishly evil. Why is she still alive? I'd be more interested in playing as a German who changes sides but sees problems and positives on both sides. Wheelchair guy shouldn't even be alive after the ending of the last game.
What would be the positives of Nazis ruling the world.
 

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Ezekiel said:
PapaGreg096 said:
Ezekiel said:
It's edgy in its portrayal of the Nazis. Have you seen that cheesy live action game show teaser? I used to like that stuff, but now I just find it embarrassing. The old lady is so cartoonishly evil. Why is she still alive? I'd be more interested in playing as a German who changes sides but sees problems and positives on both sides. Wheelchair guy shouldn't even be alive after the ending of the last game.
What would be the positives of Nazis ruling the world.
What I'm saying is that there were respectable people on both sides. Like Rommel. The Nazi party also brought Germany out of poverty and tried to give its people more Lebensraum. They could use it now, with 82 million people in a country the size of Montana. Trying to improve a race genetically is also a good thing, but Germany went about it the completely wrong way. I for one am in favor of early parent-approved euthanasia. Newborns have no value.
I mean by the time you use innocent children as target practice, doing horrible experiments on people, and trying to kill off people who don't meet the "Aryan Race" credentials (with the exception of the Japanese) kinda downplays the whole "get the country out of proverty". Now don't get me wrong I do understand that there were respectable people in both sides but I personally think saving a country from proverty isn't a good counterpoint when said country is trying to kill off at least 40 percent of the human population.
 

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What I'm saying is that there were respectable people on both sides. Like Rommel. The Nazi party also brought Germany out of poverty and tried to give its people more Lebensraum. They could use it now, with 82 million people in a country the size of Montana. Trying to improve a race genetically is also a good thing, but Germany went about it in the most deplorable way. I for one am in favor of early parent-approved euthanasia. Newborns have no value.
You mean Erwin Rommel, the guy who was the leader of Hitler's private bodyguard and assisted in deporting Tunisian Jews? Real stand up fellow. And let's be clear about this: German was only ever "poor" (a relative term when you're the 2nd largest economy in the most affluent continent) because it tanked its' own economy in attempting to get out of war reparations. What the Nazis did was essentially rack up spending by depleting the German gold reserve and incurring loans. When that was no longer an option they instituted a bunch of taxes, confiscated the property of Jews and other "undesirables" and eventually went to war in order to confiscate the gold reserves of other countries to maintain their ability to run a deficit.

Once again, let's not pretend as if the Nazis were anything but a bunch of genocidal buffoons that had no idea how to run a country. That Lebensraum they wanted? The plan was always to genocide other people to get it, which should tell you something about just how shitty and morally compromised they were.
 

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I know what living space meant for the rest of the world. I'm viewing all this according to how it would benefit Germans (in this made up universe) and a main character initially profiteering. The bad guys in new Wolfenstein are all over the top. Every encounter feels like it's trying to be a Tarantino scene, and it's usually boring because of how scripted it is compared to the rest of the game. It's less tense than gameplay, where anything can happen.
As I said, it is part of the grind house/exploitation vibe that the game goes for. For some of us (like me) that works, for some it don't. Saying it should be an entirely different genre of story is like asking for more guns in Life is Strange.
 

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PapaGreg096 said:
Ezekiel said:
PapaGreg096 said:
Ezekiel said:
It's edgy in its portrayal of the Nazis. Have you seen that cheesy live action game show teaser? I used to like that stuff, but now I just find it embarrassing. The old lady is so cartoonishly evil. Why is she still alive? I'd be more interested in playing as a German who changes sides but sees problems and positives on both sides. Wheelchair guy shouldn't even be alive after the ending of the last game.
What would be the positives of Nazis ruling the world.
What I'm saying is that there were respectable people on both sides. Like Rommel. The Nazi party also brought Germany out of poverty and tried to give its people more Lebensraum. They could use it now, with 82 million people in a country the size of Montana. Trying to improve a race genetically is also a good thing, but Germany went about it the completely wrong way. I for one am in favor of early parent-approved euthanasia. Newborns have no value.
I mean by the time you use innocent children as target practice, doing horrible experiments on people, and trying to kill off people who don't meet the "Aryan Race" credentials (with the exception of the Japanese) kinda downplays the whole "get the country out of proverty". Now don't get me wrong I do understand that there were respectable people in both sides but I personally think saving a country from proverty isn't a good counterpoint when said country is trying to kill off at least 40 percent of the human population.

Don't forget the skin lampshades and blood fountains! Really though, even most credible Jewish scholars have long since discarded a lot of these more...elaborate examples of Nazi horror stories. Who would've thought they'd get the idea for eugenics from the good ol' US of A.

Point is, the winners of war write its history. A good chunk of the 2nd and 3rd world tends to view America through a similar lense we use for the Nazis. Does that mean we all deserve to die too?

The problem is that these kinds of topics are not only exacerbated by, but typically rooted in emotional reasoning, which is kind of an oxymoron when you think of it. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
 

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Who would've thought they'd get the idea for eugenics from the good ol' US of A.
America still practices eugenics. Most of the world does. Making incest an imprisonable offense is fucked up. Eugenics isn't really bad, though. It depends on how it's done. Just don't force it on people.

One has to wonder if they are going to somehow introduce either forced or conditional sterilization in future generations, however directly or discreetly. I've read odd stories on how the Gates Foundation was funding a forced sterilization campaign in India, and other talks of micro-chip birth control which could very well extend to sterilization. It's a stretch to think in today's world that could be allowed to happen though, even if it meant a better life for whoever's already here.

On one hand there are the more immediate issues involving quality of life, population strain, a wide variety of other constructed issues compounded by humanity's flaws, etc. On the other there are advancements in genetic engineering, biology and technology which could rectify a huge spectrum of problems if handled "correctly". It will ultimately boil down to getting enough people to agree on a universal path or forcing it altogether through direct or indirect means. Either way it seems pretty inevitable.

It's both exciting and frightening, seeing as how human beings don't exactly have the best track record so far at playing God.
 

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I didn't know about this. It's disgusting, taking down Confederate statues across the US. Why is the audience cheering?

I'm also surprised this is coming from Conan, a history nut.
As a history buff, he'd know that most of those statues were cheap pieces of crap put up during either the heyday of the KKK or during the Civil Rights Era. Against, crucially, the wishes of folks like Robert E Lee, who didn't want any of that failed rebellion commemorated. Which probably has some part to play with people waiting until he was dead to start putting them up.
 

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Ezekiel said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Don't forget the skin lampshades and blood fountains! Really though, even most credible Jewish scholars have long since discarded a lot of these more...elaborate examples of Nazi horror stories. Who would've thought they'd get the idea for eugenics from the good ol' US of A.

Point is, the winners of war write its history. A good chunk of the 2nd and 3rd world tends to view America through a similar lense we use for the Nazis. Does that mean we all deserve to die too?

The problem is that these kinds of topics are not only exacerbated by, but typically rooted in emotional reasoning, which is kind of an oxymoron when you think of it. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
The least we could do is respect the dead who fought for their country. Germany wasn't all evil. I just watched this:


I didn't know about this. It's disgusting, taking down Confederate statues across the US. Why is the audience cheering?

I'm also surprised this is coming from Conan, a history nut.
I think celebrating a bunch of bigots who lost is a greater attack on history.

Id rather respect the dead slaves who died for a country that didnt view them as human.

IDEA: Replace all the confederate statues with statues to slaves who died as slaves!
 

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Ezekiel said:
Saelune said:
Ezekiel said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Don't forget the skin lampshades and blood fountains! Really though, even most credible Jewish scholars have long since discarded a lot of these more...elaborate examples of Nazi horror stories. Who would've thought they'd get the idea for eugenics from the good ol' US of A.

Point is, the winners of war write its history. A good chunk of the 2nd and 3rd world tends to view America through a similar lense we use for the Nazis. Does that mean we all deserve to die too?

The problem is that these kinds of topics are not only exacerbated by, but typically rooted in emotional reasoning, which is kind of an oxymoron when you think of it. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
The least we could do is respect the dead who fought for their country. Germany wasn't all evil. I just watched this:


I didn't know about this. It's disgusting, taking down Confederate statues across the US. Why is the audience cheering?

I'm also surprised this is coming from Conan, a history nut.
I think celebrating a bunch of bigots who lost is a greater attack on history.

Id rather respect the dead slaves who died for a country that didnt view them as human.

IDEA: Replace all the confederate statues with statues to slaves who died as slaves!
They didn't all fight to uphold slavery.
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
 

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Saelune said:
Ezekiel said:
Saelune said:
Ezekiel said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
Don't forget the skin lampshades and blood fountains! Really though, even most credible Jewish scholars have long since discarded a lot of these more...elaborate examples of Nazi horror stories. Who would've thought they'd get the idea for eugenics from the good ol' US of A.

Point is, the winners of war write its history. A good chunk of the 2nd and 3rd world tends to view America through a similar lense we use for the Nazis. Does that mean we all deserve to die too?

The problem is that these kinds of topics are not only exacerbated by, but typically rooted in emotional reasoning, which is kind of an oxymoron when you think of it. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
The least we could do is respect the dead who fought for their country. Germany wasn't all evil. I just watched this:


I didn't know about this. It's disgusting, taking down Confederate statues across the US. Why is the audience cheering?

I'm also surprised this is coming from Conan, a history nut.
I think celebrating a bunch of bigots who lost is a greater attack on history.

Id rather respect the dead slaves who died for a country that didnt view them as human.

IDEA: Replace all the confederate statues with statues to slaves who died as slaves!
They didn't all fight to uphold slavery.
And Union soldiers didnt die so their enemies could be celebrated.

We also dont have statues of Nazi soldiers. Though I worry that they would be defended these days too.
Might not be any statues, but other things still remain


lol. I'll pass on the blow up dolls, but is it a disgrace if I said I liked Fanta better than Sunkist? Apparently the line on banning things has been drawn somewhere between form and function.