IOwnTheSpire said:
Isn't Wonder Woman's other origin that her mother sculpted her out of clay and brought her to life?
More or less. In the original DC mythology--and I must confess I have no idea when this idea fell by the wayside or if it never did and writers just stopped mentioning it, like they stopped mentioning that Superman always vibrates at high speed to make sure no one can photograph his face--the women of Paradise Island are all...resurrected there, or some such thing, after falling prey to a man's evil intentions, so there were no babies on Themyscira. Queen Hippolyta wanted a baby, so she had to craft one from clay and the gods had to grant it life; thus Diana was born, the first birth on the island in basically forever. She was an immaculate birth by women and for women, which I mostly mention for the sake of the next quote...
Saltyk said:
Please tell me that isn't the New 52 origin. Please, God, tell me that isn't her New 52 origin.
That is not
Diana's origin, but it is how the women of Themyscira repopulate, yes. They raid sailing vessels under cover of fog, seduce the men under false pretenses, knock themselves up, murder the sailors to make sure no one ever learns about what's going on, keep all the female babies, and sell all the male babies to Hephaestus. I can't tell you how sick with hate I was to learn that they would invert Wonder Woman's mythology so completely, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to learn that while in the first few issues, Diana believed she was made of immaculate clay, she was actually the result of Zeus fucking Hippolyta on the DL, and Hippolyta made up the clay story because fuck you, fans of Wonder Woman.
I could go on for hours about how much I disagree with the creators' apparent mindset that what was wrong with Wonder Woman was that instead of being built from Dr. Marsten's feminist ideals of peace and love, she needed to be built from the genocidal, schizophrenia-fueled "feminist" ideas of Valerie Solanas. And she has daddy-abandonment issues and her bracelets hold her lightning inside. To borrow a quote from Yahtzee Croshaw, there is no middle finger big enough.
Areloch said:
Honestly, I think that'd be an interesting bit of pathos for what is an almost uniformly morally perfect character.
I am far, far too angry right for a variety of reasons to have this conversation while remaining within the terms of use for this site, so I shall leave it that anyone who can't find pathos in the complexities of being an avatar of truth in a world that prefers the comfort of lies, of being an ambassador of peace as well as the foremost warrior in the world, of having had tea and cakes with her gods in a world dominated by religions that insist you can't find out if the gods are real until after you die; who can't find pathos in any of that material and instead needs to make the Amazons a society of murderers and rapists is someone I want to have absolutely zero input into any creative decisions made in the telling of a Wonder Woman story.
God fucking damn it. I'm going to be too pissed to even sleep tonight.