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lechat said:
I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the heavy focus on equality and girl power from this, This might be why we can never get a decent female super hero since the second we do the focus has to instantly shift to how amazing it is that a woman. Yes a woman!!!! is able to do stuff that men do instead of just being about someone kicking ass who just happens to be a woman.
Mm, I don't know. There's not a ton in the clips themselves that indicate that. Granted, the filmmakers are talking about equality and empowerment and this and that and the the full trailer hasn't been released as far as I can tell so maybe I'll have to eat my words but it might be a little early is all I'm sayin'.

You want a trailer that *really* spews "girl power", Pride & Prejudice & Zombies.

"I shall never relinquish my sword for a ring."
"I do not know which I admire more. You as a warrior, or your resolve as a woman."

Wonder Woman's gonna have some stiff competition if they're going for a statement here.
 

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Wow, that was annoying hearing them speak. All aboard the equality/feminism train!

Why can't they just make a strong female character and leave it at that?

Probably won't be disappointed by the movie, but I am a fan of superhero movies in general.
I didn't really get that vibe from the clip, I thought they did a good job mentioning it without being too over the top about it.

It really shouldn't be a big deal, but woman-led superhero movies are so rare that I don't mind them hyping that up a bit.

I'm excited about the WWII setting (though it's a bit too Captain America-y) will be cool to see her deal with the sexism of that time
The war scenes are based in World War 1, there will be no cackling Nazi's to dick-punch: just a lot of poor bastards caught up in the clusterfuck of agreements, resentments and lunacy that had be building since the days of William Wallace.
 

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Isn't Wonder Woman's other origin that her mother sculpted her out of clay and brought her to life?
More or less. In the original DC mythology--and I must confess I have no idea when this idea fell by the wayside or if it never did and writers just stopped mentioning it, like they stopped mentioning that Superman always vibrates at high speed to make sure no one can photograph his face--the women of Paradise Island are all...resurrected there, or some such thing, after falling prey to a man's evil intentions, so there were no babies on Themyscira. Queen Hippolyta wanted a baby, so she had to craft one from clay and the gods had to grant it life; thus Diana was born, the first birth on the island in basically forever. She was an immaculate birth by women and for women, which I mostly mention for the sake of the next quote...

Saltyk said:
Please tell me that isn't the New 52 origin. Please, God, tell me that isn't her New 52 origin.
That is not Diana's origin, but it is how the women of Themyscira repopulate, yes. They raid sailing vessels under cover of fog, seduce the men under false pretenses, knock themselves up, murder the sailors to make sure no one ever learns about what's going on, keep all the female babies, and sell all the male babies to Hephaestus. I can't tell you how sick with hate I was to learn that they would invert Wonder Woman's mythology so completely, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to learn that while in the first few issues, Diana believed she was made of immaculate clay, she was actually the result of Zeus fucking Hippolyta on the DL, and Hippolyta made up the clay story because fuck you, fans of Wonder Woman.

I could go on for hours about how much I disagree with the creators' apparent mindset that what was wrong with Wonder Woman was that instead of being built from Dr. Marsten's feminist ideals of peace and love, she needed to be built from the genocidal, schizophrenia-fueled "feminist" ideas of Valerie Solanas. And she has daddy-abandonment issues and her bracelets hold her lightning inside. To borrow a quote from Yahtzee Croshaw, there is no middle finger big enough.

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Honestly, I think that'd be an interesting bit of pathos for what is an almost uniformly morally perfect character.
I am far, far too angry right for a variety of reasons to have this conversation while remaining within the terms of use for this site, so I shall leave it that anyone who can't find pathos in the complexities of being an avatar of truth in a world that prefers the comfort of lies, of being an ambassador of peace as well as the foremost warrior in the world, of having had tea and cakes with her gods in a world dominated by religions that insist you can't find out if the gods are real until after you die; who can't find pathos in any of that material and instead needs to make the Amazons a society of murderers and rapists is someone I want to have absolutely zero input into any creative decisions made in the telling of a Wonder Woman story.

God fucking damn it. I'm going to be too pissed to even sleep tonight.
 

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JimB said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
Isn't Wonder Woman's other origin that her mother sculpted her out of clay and brought her to life?
More or less. In the original DC mythology--and I must confess I have no idea when this idea fell by the wayside or if it never did and writers just stopped mentioning it, like they stopped mentioning that Superman always vibrates at high speed to make sure no one can photograph his face--the women of Paradise Island are all...resurrected there, or some such thing, after falling prey to a man's evil intentions, so there were no babies on Themyscira. Queen Hippolyta wanted a baby, so she had to craft one from clay and the gods had to grant it life; thus Diana was born, the first birth on the island in basically forever. She was an immaculate birth by women and for women, which I mostly mention for the sake of the next quote...

Saltyk said:
Please tell me that isn't the New 52 origin. Please, God, tell me that isn't her New 52 origin.
That is not Diana's origin, but it is how the women of Themyscira repopulate, yes. They raid sailing vessels under cover of fog, seduce the men under false pretenses, knock themselves up, murder the sailors to make sure no one ever learns about what's going on, keep all the female babies, and sell all the male babies to Hephaestus. I can't tell you how sick with hate I was to learn that they would invert Wonder Woman's mythology so completely, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to learn that while in the first few issues, Diana believed she was made of immaculate clay, she was actually the result of Zeus fucking Hippolyta on the DL, and Hippolyta made up the clay story because fuck you, fans of Wonder Woman.

I could go on for hours about how much I disagree with the creators' apparent mindset that what was wrong with Wonder Woman was that instead of being built from Dr. Marsten's feminist ideals of peace and love, she needed to be built from the genocidal, schizophrenia-fueled "feminist" ideas of Valerie Solanas. And she has daddy-abandonment issues and her bracelets hold her lightning inside. To borrow a quote from Yahtzee Croshaw, there is no middle finger big enough.

Areloch said:
Honestly, I think that'd be an interesting bit of pathos for what is an almost uniformly morally perfect character.
I am far, far too angry right for a variety of reasons to have this conversation while remaining within the terms of use for this site, so I shall leave it that anyone who can't find pathos in the complexities of being an avatar of truth in a world that prefers the comfort of lies, of being an ambassador of peace as well as the foremost warrior in the world, of having had tea and cakes with her gods in a world dominated by religions that insist you can't find out if the gods are real until after you die; who can't find pathos in any of that material and instead needs to make the Amazons a society of murderers and rapists is someone I want to have absolutely zero input into any creative decisions made in the telling of a Wonder Woman story.

God fucking damn it. I'm going to be too pissed to even sleep tonight.
Wow, you really should step away from this and calm down. It's seriously not THAT big of a deal.

Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established. I mean, all the alternative "what if" scenarios with Bruce dying and his dad becoming Batman, but of a different kind; what would happen if Superman had landed in a communist Russia rather than the free, capitalist America, etc - those were really interesting. Heck of a lot more interesting than the average reboot rehash that doesn't explore any new territory making you wonder why the reboot even happened.

Maybe I just don't really "get" comic book canon(probably because it reboots anytime someone sneezes), but spin-offs and alternative takes don't have to retroactively rewrite the established canon of a character or their backstory. At least, I certainly hope it wouldn't. If so, it removes a lot of the interesting possibilities with storytelling with these sorts of characters.

Also, how many characters from Greek mythology actually NOT gigantic dickbags? I mean, really. If anything, that take is probably more on-point with the kind of dickery that was rife in that sort of mythology.
 

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Gordon_4 said:
DrownedAmmet said:
Glongpre said:
Wow, that was annoying hearing them speak. All aboard the equality/feminism train!

Why can't they just make a strong female character and leave it at that?

Probably won't be disappointed by the movie, but I am a fan of superhero movies in general.
I didn't really get that vibe from the clip, I thought they did a good job mentioning it without being too over the top about it.

It really shouldn't be a big deal, but woman-led superhero movies are so rare that I don't mind them hyping that up a bit.

I'm excited about the WWII setting (though it's a bit too Captain America-y) will be cool to see her deal with the sexism of that time
The war scenes are based in World War 1, there will be no cackling Nazi's to dick-punch: just a lot of poor bastards caught up in the clusterfuck of agreements, resentments and lunacy that had be building since the days of William Wallace.
Ohh, cool! I didn't notice that. Should be more interesting than Nazis
 

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Areloch said:
Wow, you really should step away from this and calm down. It's seriously not that big of a deal.
Until and unless you know all the things I am angry about, which would be a neat damn trick in this case since I deliberately did not choose to list it all, I will thank you not to presume to tell me what is or is not a big deal, nor how to deal with it.

Areloch said:
Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established.
Alternative takes are one thing. Completely inverting the morality and the messages of a character who was seventy years old for a childish, ill-advised attempt to generate book-selling controversy by employing the laziest kind of writing showing complete disregard for not only the character's history but the subject matter is entirely another.

Areloch said:
Also, how many characters from Greek mythology actually not gigantic dickbags?
Irrelevant. Wonder Woman is not from Greek mythology; she's from the 1940s, a time when Greek mythology had been dead for centuries.
 

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Clearly needs more rope bondage and magic girdles for me to take this seriously as a faithful origin. Also why didn't they get Lynda Carter to play Hippolyta?
 

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I'm ok with the film setting in the World Wars. In Moviebob video on Wonder Woman origin, she did fought some Nazi butts!!
 

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I get the feeling each new installment of this sort of trend must be justified as "we make strong independent womenz, not pandering or anything" but nobody really cares about it anymore at this point
 

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lechat said:
I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the heavy focus on equality and girl power from this, This might be why we can never get a decent female super hero since the second we do the focus has to instantly shift to how amazing it is that a woman. Yes a woman!!!! is able to do stuff that men do instead of just being about someone kicking ass who just happens to be a woman.
Of the handful of female led superhero movies we get, how many actually do what you're saying?
 

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Areloch said:
Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established. I mean, all the alternative "what if" scenarios with Bruce dying and his dad becoming Batman, but of a different kind; what would happen if Superman had landed in a communist Russia rather than the free, capitalist America, etc - those were really interesting. Heck of a lot more interesting than the average reboot rehash that doesn't explore any new territory making you wonder why the reboot even happened.
This was actually the point of the character. Originally, it was that the Amazons where, while flawed, greatly misunderstood by the misogynistic patriarchies and were not as bad as they were shown as. Heracles was also depicted as a rapist and one of many men who mistreated the Amazons for being women who wanted to be equal to men. It was basically subverting a sexist myth.

So them going with the original WW take would be a good thing by your logic.
 

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JimB said:
Areloch said:
Wow, you really should step away from this and calm down. It's seriously not that big of a deal.
Until and unless you know all the things I am angry about, which would be a neat damn trick in this case since I deliberately did not choose to list it all, I will thank you not to presume to tell me what is or is not a big deal, nor how to deal with it.
Well, my only context was you getting so livid mid-conversation about a comic book character movie that you apparently wouldn't be able to sleep. So forgive me for the apparent gross breach of context there.

But alright, I guess we're done talking.

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Areloch said:
Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established. I mean, all the alternative "what if" scenarios with Bruce dying and his dad becoming Batman, but of a different kind; what would happen if Superman had landed in a communist Russia rather than the free, capitalist America, etc - those were really interesting. Heck of a lot more interesting than the average reboot rehash that doesn't explore any new territory making you wonder why the reboot even happened.
This was actually the point of the character. Originally, it was that the Amazons where, while flawed, greatly misunderstood by the misogynistic patriarchies and were not as bad as they were shown as. Heracles was also depicted as a rapist and one of many men who mistreated the Amazons for being women who wanted to be equal to men. It was basically subverting a sexist myth.

So them going with the original WW take would be a good thing by your logic.
Not gunna lie, I'm not SUPER familiar with the broad history of Wonder Woman as a character. My exposure to WW has been the excellent JLA cartoon and the ooooold comics, where she would constantly be captured, tied up and also bemoan not being able to undo her restraints due to 'submitting to men' and how pulling off tape covering her eyes and face would ruin her perfectly groomed eyelashes and makeup, and her woman's vanity doesn't allow it.

So there was a HUGE change there at some point in time, but it's not like she's always been the go-to for compelling, powerful female characters. Honestly, I think the original run of the comic was just softcore bondage porn for how often EVERYONE got tied up.

That said, you're right, the history/story they have with the Amazons was pretty cool. Never claimed otherwise. But, given that the comic has been around for so long, why would spin-offs and permutations of the concept be a bad thing? Exploring alternate takes and settings, as said, seems like the best reason to constantly reuse or reboot the same characters and settings, rather than just repeating the exact same story with each reboot, forever.
 

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Areloch said:
Well, my only context was you getting so livid mid-conversation about a comic book character movie that you apparently wouldn't be able to sleep.
If only I had explicitly said that I was angry for a variety of reasons.

Oh, wait.

Areloch said:
But alright, I guess we're done talking.
Don't do that. If you want to stop talking, then that's fine, but don't play the martyr while doing it. I never once asked you to stop talking; I asked you to stop telling me how to respond to issues in my personal life that you can't even name.
 

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JimB said:
Areloch said:
Well, my only context was you getting so livid mid-conversation about a comic book character movie that you apparently wouldn't be able to sleep.
If only I had explicitly said that I was angry for a variety of reasons.

Oh, wait.
The point is, you came off as incredibly pissed while trying to talk about this subject. Sure, that may not be the core reason you're angry, but would you be inclined to keep a conversation going with someone who's utterly livid? I'd probably walk away to let them simmer down, dunno about you.

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But alright, I guess we're done talking.
Don't do that. If you want to stop talking, then that's fine, but don't play the martyr while doing it. I never once asked you to stop talking; I asked you to stop telling me how to respond to issues in my personal life that you can't even name.
I dunno about 'martyr'. I didn't intend for it to come off as "ooh boohoo he was mean to me", and more of a "Alright man, if you're upset, we'll just conclude this here".
 

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I dunno. Mostly I just don't trust DC to actually make a decent movie that isn't animated any more. The color palette looks super drab, but then again, after Man of Steel set the precedent I guess they kind of have to stick with it. The whole 1930's/WWI setting could be interesting, since that hasn't really been done yet in a superhero movie... then again, it's also tough, since there weren't really any badguys in WWI. Every side was dumb, and they all let themselves get drawn into an unnecessary war.

I will say that I still hate that costume. They've modernized every other hero's outfit. The superman suit is not just one piece of skintight fabric, it's got layers and some nuance to it. And the batman suit is more like body armor now. ...But wonderwoman still goes around in a tubetop and miniskirt? Come on. Either go whole-hog with the ancient Greek look (some proper bronze armor), or give the woman some pants. Pants existed in the 1930's (although it looks like she wears the exact same outfit in the dawn of justice trailer.

Also, Wasp would totally kick her ass in about 10 seconds. Wonder Woman has always been the lamest of the DC heroes. Oh, she's strong, and she can block bullets aimed at two specific points on her body. Big whoop :p I can't wait until Wasp gets her own movie. Badass superhero lady in a full suit of sci-fi armor? Hell yes, please.

Or Black Widow. Maybe finally give her her own movie. At least a catsuit has pants.
 

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Wonder Woman has always been the lamest of the DC heroes. Oh, she's strong, and she can block bullets aimed at two specific points on her body? Big whoop.
I disagree that powers and the relative ability to beat other powered people up is what defines coolness.
 

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My only hope is that even if it does look like Captain America, it's hero is infinitely more interesting and the second act isn't the same shitshow. MONTAGE! BORING LOVE STORIES ABOUT DANCING! MACGUFFIN SAVES THE DAY!
 

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JimB said:
rcs619 said:
Wonder Woman has always been the lamest of the DC heroes. Oh, she's strong, and she can block bullets aimed at two specific points on her body? Big whoop.
I disagree that powers and the relative ability to beat other powered people up is what defines coolness.
Considering she's always had zero personality beyond "I'm a goodguy" and "Boy, this outside world is weird, with it's men and all," powers are about all she's got. She's strong, she can block two bullets at a time, and I think in some versions she can fly. She doesn't really have much else going for her.

Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if she had other people to play off of. Hopefully Batfleck can help with that (since I don't trust the current Superman to bring any sort of personality to the table this time either). But without the other members of the Justice League, Wonderwoman is pretty dang dull. I really wish they would have gone with Flash, or Aquaman, or a proper Green Lantern before they brought in Wonderwoman.
 

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rcs619 said:
Considering she's always had zero personality beyond "I'm a good guy" and "Boy, this outside world is weird, with its men and all," powers are about all she's got.
What stories have you been reading?

rcs619 said:
She's strong, she can block two bullets at a time, and I think in some versions she can fly.
That's less than half her list of powers, but whatever.
 

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Looks very "meh" to me from that clip. They spent too much time with Kevin Smith and whoever that other guy was, rather than actually explaining the premise of the movie, beyond it's broadest strokes. If they can keep the "Anything you can do I can do better!" aspect of the feminine lead to a minimum, then I can probably stomach it. But if they go the same route as Agent Carter, I'll probably pass to avoid having my blood pressure spike into dangerous levels.