New Wonder Woman Footage Revealed

[TheRightToArmBears]

Claims to be all about equality, still casts stick thin model as a lifelong warrior.

I know I whine about this every time WW comes up, but Gal Gadot is in the role because she's beautiful, not because she suits the part. If nothing else, it just makes the fight scenes unconvincing. It looks like her strength comes purely from her supernatural origin, not from any particular work on her part.

 

[JimB]

I know I whine about this every time Wonder Woman comes up, but Gal Gadot is in the role because she's beautiful, not because she suits the part.

I love Wonder Woman, but I think this may be an inescapable failure of the character. When one of her superpowers is literally to be the most beautiful woman in the world, she's going to conform to a specific standard of beauty.

 

[WolfThomas]

Also, Wasp would totally kick her ass in about 10 seconds. Wonder Woman has always been the lamest of the DC heroes. Oh, she's strong, and she can block bullets aimed at two specific points on her body. Big whoop I can't wait until Wasp gets her own movie. Badass superhero lady in a full suit of sci-fi armor? Hell yes, please.

Man do I love the Wasp. Neat powers, size change, flight and stinging blasts. Great costumes over the years. Lead the Avengers at times and is independently wealthy as a fashion designer. Why is she not in the Avengers yet?

It is a shame she has been tied so closely to Hank Pym (who isn't a bad character just bland) and the incident where he struck her (which has been discussed to death).

 

[Cicada 5]

Wow, you really should step away from this and calm down. It's seriously not that big of a deal.

Until and unless you know all the things I am angry about, which would be a neat damn trick in this case since I deliberately did not choose to list it all, I will thank you not to presume to tell me what is or is not a big deal, nor how to deal with it.

Well, my only context was you getting so livid mid-conversation about a comic book character movie that you apparently wouldn't be able to sleep. So forgive me for the apparent gross breach of context there.

But alright, I guess we're done talking.

Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established. I mean, all the alternative "what if" scenarios with Bruce dying and his dad becoming Batman, but of a different kind; what would happen if Superman had landed in a communist Russia rather than the free, capitalist America, etc - those were really interesting. Heck of a lot more interesting than the average reboot rehash that doesn't explore any new territory making you wonder why the reboot even happened.

This was actually the point of the character. Originally, it was that the Amazons where, while flawed, greatly misunderstood by the misogynistic patriarchies and were not as bad as they were shown as. Heracles was also depicted as a rapist and one of many men who mistreated the Amazons for being women who wanted to be equal to men. It was basically subverting a sexist myth.

So them going with the original WW take would be a good thing by your logic.

Not gunna lie, I'm not SUPER familiar with the broad history of Wonder Woman as a character. My exposure to WW has been the excellent JLA cartoon and the ooooold comics, where she would constantly be captured, tied up and also bemoan not being able to undo her restraints due to 'submitting to men' and how pulling off tape covering her eyes and face would ruin her perfectly groomed eyelashes and makeup, and her woman's vanity doesn't allow it.

So there was a HUGE change there at some point in time, but it's not like she's always been the go-to for compelling, powerful female characters. Honestly, I think the original run of the comic was just softcore bondage porn for how often EVERYONE got tied up.

That said, you're right, the history/story they have with the Amazons was pretty cool. Never claimed otherwise. But, given that the comic has been around for so long, why would spin-offs and permutations of the concept be a bad thing? Exploring alternate takes and settings, as said, seems like the best reason to constantly reuse or reboot the same characters and settings, rather than just repeating the exact same story with each reboot, forever.

Actually, I was referring more to the Perez reboot in the 80s not the original comics. If your only exposure to her was the Golden Age stuff, then you're missing out on some good runs of the character. And it didn't tell the exact same story (the bondage stuff is pretty much gone and Heracles being a rapist wasn't even used in the original comics though he did still capture the Amazons and make slaves of them.)

Well, in turn the take I'm fond of is alternate take on Greek Mythology. And we've never seen Heracles as a villain in a movie before so it would be new and something audiences might take interest in. And

 

[Areloch]

Besides, alternative takes on characters and settings seems like it should be the reason for continually re-using characters and settings rather than aimless, pointless milking of the established. I mean, all the alternative "what if" scenarios with Bruce dying and his dad becoming Batman, but of a different kind; what would happen if Superman had landed in a communist Russia rather than the free, capitalist America, etc - those were really interesting. Heck of a lot more interesting than the average reboot rehash that doesn't explore any new territory making you wonder why the reboot even happened.

This was actually the point of the character. Originally, it was that the Amazons where, while flawed, greatly misunderstood by the misogynistic patriarchies and were not as bad as they were shown as. Heracles was also depicted as a rapist and one of many men who mistreated the Amazons for being women who wanted to be equal to men. It was basically subverting a sexist myth.

So them going with the original WW take would be a good thing by your logic.

Not gunna lie, I'm not SUPER familiar with the broad history of Wonder Woman as a character. My exposure to WW has been the excellent JLA cartoon and the ooooold comics, where she would constantly be captured, tied up and also bemoan not being able to undo her restraints due to 'submitting to men' and how pulling off tape covering her eyes and face would ruin her perfectly groomed eyelashes and makeup, and her woman's vanity doesn't allow it.

So there was a HUGE change there at some point in time, but it's not like she's always been the go-to for compelling, powerful female characters. Honestly, I think the original run of the comic was just softcore bondage porn for how often EVERYONE got tied up.

That said, you're right, the history/story they have with the Amazons was pretty cool. Never claimed otherwise. But, given that the comic has been around for so long, why would spin-offs and permutations of the concept be a bad thing? Exploring alternate takes and settings, as said, seems like the best reason to constantly reuse or reboot the same characters and settings, rather than just repeating the exact same story with each reboot, forever.

Actually, I was referring more to the Perez reboot in the 80s not the original comics. If your only exposure to her was the Golden Age stuff, then you're missing out on some good runs of the character. And it didn't tell the exact same story (the bondage stuff is pretty much gone and Heracles being a rapist wasn't even used in the original comics though he did still capture the Amazons and make slaves of them.)

Well, in turn the take I'm fond of is alternate take on Greek Mythology. And we've never seen Heracles as a villain in a movie before so it would be new and something audiences might take interest in. And

Yeah, I'm totally aware there was a lot going on with the character in the gap of my exposure (Just kinda making note that she really wasn't always the "Behold, a real, true, powerful, self-supporting example of a good female character". She no doubt became one, but ooh boy, that golden age stuff). If her more recent comics are anything like the JLA cartoon, I'd be pretty keen to that.