By that logic police should be able to quell riots with bullets. Seeing as how an old woman can get off shooting a twelve year old for throwing bricks, Police should be able to shoot an angry mob throwing many things, including bricks.spartan231490 said:He wasn't just bullying her, that's a horrible title, he was chucking bricks at her and her house.
There are gradients between "do nothing" and "shoot child" you know. She could have shot into the air to scare him. She could have bought a guard dog. She could have contacted his parents. There's any number of things she could have done.spartan231490 said:So you think she should have sat by, and let the police pretend to be helpful when a kid was chucking bricks at her? what else could she have done, beat him with her walker? watch the kid run away when the police drive up only to be back 5 minutes after they leave. He was "bullying" her for over a year, it's pretty obvious that a) the police couldn't stop him, and b) it wasn't the first thing she tried, if it was, this would have happened a year ago.
Man, by 12 my youngest brother already had juvie time for arson, assault, drug charges, been expelled from 2 schools and had gotten himself kicked out of our house three times. Never assume that young means innocent, kids are having sex by 12 nowadays, adult is a relative term anymore, this kid knew full well what he was doing.Acidwell said:Lets be completely objective here: a grown woman with full understanding of what she was doing, shot a minor who was not even close to being an adult. Fair enough the charges against the kid are justified but she deserves prison time as well.
And the kid would have been charged with the felany crime of assaulting an officer of the peace.Starke said:Police have much more strict limitations on use of force than the average civilian. (Because they are assumed to have the training to use force more judiciously.)Jamash said:This precedent should make all future riots a lot easier to deal with. If children can be justifiably shot for throwing bricks, then the police should have no trouble opening up on adults throwing any object that is considered potentially lethal.xDarc said:No. But the bricks the kid was throwing are potentially lethal. Probably the key reason no charges are being filed against granny.Jamash said:So verbal abuse is enough justification to shoot children?
People should think long and hard about whether they want to be shot the next time their favourite sports team loses a game.
EDIT: If a cop had shot the kid in the exact same situation, he'd be up in front of a disciplinary committee right now.
Token assurances only work for so long. You saying that for a year the police showed up, said "It'll be okay" and left? What kind of police do you have?Thyunda said:I'm assuming the police showed up, the kids ran off, the police made a couple of token assurances, left, and the kids came back. If the girl didn't know the kid's names, there was barely anything the police could do...what did you expect, stake-out the woman's house?Celtic_Kerr said:Sure, it says she called the police, but it says nothign after that. Were the cops on their way? Did they respond? Did they tell her to sit on it? There is no time frame which is given. Just "They came back". So she pulls out a gun and shoots them? I mean. Try calling again? The news didn't ask why the cops didn't show?Thyunda said:Celtic_Kerr said:Shooting a human is shooting a human. If a thief breaks into your house, slips on a toy, and breaks their leg, they can probably sue you and win.
If someone attacks you and you kill them in self defense, it's still murder
So if someone smashes your window with bricks and insults you, suddenly you can gravely injure a 12 year old boy through a bullet wound and you get off scott free? What the fuck?
Assault is assault, whether self defense or not. Shotting another human is just plain and simple shooting them. It's bull shit.
EDIT: Here's an idea granny: Call the cops before going Rambo on a child's ass
No, it's not murder. It's manslaughter. Big difference. And she did call the police, and she got fuck all out of it.
And 3rd degree murder is Manslaughter. Same thing
Lack of perspective?InterAirplay said:Literally everyone here saying "go granny! must be suffering from a severe lack of perspective. Seriously guys, what the fuck?
a) when riots turn violent, police quell them with riot shields and billy clubs, not far off from bulletsIrridium said:By that logic police should be able to quell riots with bullets. Seeing as how an old woman can get off shooting a twelve year old for throwing bricks, Police should be able to shoot an angry mob throwing many things, including bricks.spartan231490 said:He wasn't just bullying her, that's a horrible title, he was chucking bricks at her and her house.
There are gradients between "do nothing" and "shoot child" you know. She could have shot into the air to scare him. She could have bought a guard dog. She could have contacted his parents. There's any number of things she could have done.spartan231490 said:So you think she should have sat by, and let the police pretend to be helpful when a kid was chucking bricks at her? what else could she have done, beat him with her walker? watch the kid run away when the police drive up only to be back 5 minutes after they leave. He was "bullying" her for over a year, it's pretty obvious that a) the police couldn't stop him, and b) it wasn't the first thing she tried, if it was, this would have happened a year ago.
British ones.Celtic_Kerr said:Token assurances only work for so long. You saying that for a year the police showed up, said "It'll be okay" and left? What kind of police do you have?Thyunda said:I'm assuming the police showed up, the kids ran off, the police made a couple of token assurances, left, and the kids came back. If the girl didn't know the kid's names, there was barely anything the police could do...what did you expect, stake-out the woman's house?Celtic_Kerr said:Sure, it says she called the police, but it says nothign after that. Were the cops on their way? Did they respond? Did they tell her to sit on it? There is no time frame which is given. Just "They came back". So she pulls out a gun and shoots them? I mean. Try calling again? The news didn't ask why the cops didn't show?Thyunda said:Celtic_Kerr said:Shooting a human is shooting a human. If a thief breaks into your house, slips on a toy, and breaks their leg, they can probably sue you and win.
If someone attacks you and you kill them in self defense, it's still murder
So if someone smashes your window with bricks and insults you, suddenly you can gravely injure a 12 year old boy through a bullet wound and you get off scott free? What the fuck?
Assault is assault, whether self defense or not. Shotting another human is just plain and simple shooting them. It's bull shit.
EDIT: Here's an idea granny: Call the cops before going Rambo on a child's ass
No, it's not murder. It's manslaughter. Big difference. And she did call the police, and she got fuck all out of it.
And 3rd degree murder is Manslaughter. Same thing