News Junkie: Elderly woman shoots bully, no charges!

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Acidwell

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Lets be completely objective here: a grown woman with full understanding of what she was doing, shot a minor who was not even close to being an adult. Fair enough the charges against the kid are justified but she deserves prison time as well.
 

esperandote

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The kid deserved getting his ass kicked but that's overkill, but i guess she couldn't have run after him.
 
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spartan231490 said:
He wasn't just bullying her, that's a horrible title, he was chucking bricks at her and her house.
By that logic police should be able to quell riots with bullets. Seeing as how an old woman can get off shooting a twelve year old for throwing bricks, Police should be able to shoot an angry mob throwing many things, including bricks.


spartan231490 said:
So you think she should have sat by, and let the police pretend to be helpful when a kid was chucking bricks at her? what else could she have done, beat him with her walker? watch the kid run away when the police drive up only to be back 5 minutes after they leave. He was "bullying" her for over a year, it's pretty obvious that a) the police couldn't stop him, and b) it wasn't the first thing she tried, if it was, this would have happened a year ago.
There are gradients between "do nothing" and "shoot child" you know. She could have shot into the air to scare him. She could have bought a guard dog. She could have contacted his parents. There's any number of things she could have done.
 

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So I get that it's supposed to be good when seniors stand up to punk kids, but come on. She shot a twelve year old kid for smashing her window. That's not cool.
 

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Acidwell said:
Lets be completely objective here: a grown woman with full understanding of what she was doing, shot a minor who was not even close to being an adult. Fair enough the charges against the kid are justified but she deserves prison time as well.
Man, by 12 my youngest brother already had juvie time for arson, assault, drug charges, been expelled from 2 schools and had gotten himself kicked out of our house three times. Never assume that young means innocent, kids are having sex by 12 nowadays, adult is a relative term anymore, this kid knew full well what he was doing.
 

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i supose violence leads to violence its just an endless spiral that will remain the same till the end of time. Sure people can change but not everyone. Its like asking for a miracle.
 

RatRace123

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Well, some people just need to be shot, children included.
Maybe it'll teach him a goddamn lesson.
 

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Uhm. She shot him. I mean... guys seriously, she shot him. How is everyone on her side? Jesus Christ that woman shot a 12 year old kid, she should be the one to go to jail.

Now I'm not saying that the kid should get off the hook, but no matter what he did, shooting a twelve year old with a gun is not acceptable.
 

spartan231490

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Starke said:
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So verbal abuse is enough justification to shoot children?
No. But the bricks the kid was throwing are potentially lethal. Probably the key reason no charges are being filed against granny.
This precedent should make all future riots a lot easier to deal with. If children can be justifiably shot for throwing bricks, then the police should have no trouble opening up on adults throwing any object that is considered potentially lethal.

People should think long and hard about whether they want to be shot the next time their favourite sports team loses a game.
Police have much more strict limitations on use of force than the average civilian. (Because they are assumed to have the training to use force more judiciously.)

EDIT: If a cop had shot the kid in the exact same situation, he'd be up in front of a disciplinary committee right now.
And the kid would have been charged with the felany crime of assaulting an officer of the peace.
 

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Thyunda said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
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Shooting a human is shooting a human. If a thief breaks into your house, slips on a toy, and breaks their leg, they can probably sue you and win.

If someone attacks you and you kill them in self defense, it's still murder

So if someone smashes your window with bricks and insults you, suddenly you can gravely injure a 12 year old boy through a bullet wound and you get off scott free? What the fuck?

Assault is assault, whether self defense or not. Shotting another human is just plain and simple shooting them. It's bull shit.

EDIT: Here's an idea granny: Call the cops before going Rambo on a child's ass

No, it's not murder. It's manslaughter. Big difference. And she did call the police, and she got fuck all out of it.
Sure, it says she called the police, but it says nothign after that. Were the cops on their way? Did they respond? Did they tell her to sit on it? There is no time frame which is given. Just "They came back". So she pulls out a gun and shoots them? I mean. Try calling again? The news didn't ask why the cops didn't show?

And 3rd degree murder is Manslaughter. Same thing
I'm assuming the police showed up, the kids ran off, the police made a couple of token assurances, left, and the kids came back. If the girl didn't know the kid's names, there was barely anything the police could do...what did you expect, stake-out the woman's house?
Token assurances only work for so long. You saying that for a year the police showed up, said "It'll be okay" and left? What kind of police do you have?
 

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InterAirplay said:
Literally everyone here saying "go granny! must be suffering from a severe lack of perspective. Seriously guys, what the fuck?
Lack of perspective?

Here in the Detroit metro area, a jury refused to convict a man who shot an unarmed burglar after chasing him from his home, for 7 blocks.

The burglar was in his 50's and apparently became winded. The burglar stopped running and turned around and said "What are you going to do? Shoot me?" And he did. The homeowner had been robbed 4 times that week and had lost his mind.

The city pressed charges but the jury refuses to convict.

Perspective is relative.

We don't all live in the same parts of the world and we can't all be youthful idealists.
 

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Irridium said:
spartan231490 said:
He wasn't just bullying her, that's a horrible title, he was chucking bricks at her and her house.
By that logic police should be able to quell riots with bullets. Seeing as how an old woman can get off shooting a twelve year old for throwing bricks, Police should be able to shoot an angry mob throwing many things, including bricks.


spartan231490 said:
So you think she should have sat by, and let the police pretend to be helpful when a kid was chucking bricks at her? what else could she have done, beat him with her walker? watch the kid run away when the police drive up only to be back 5 minutes after they leave. He was "bullying" her for over a year, it's pretty obvious that a) the police couldn't stop him, and b) it wasn't the first thing she tried, if it was, this would have happened a year ago.
There are gradients between "do nothing" and "shoot child" you know. She could have shot into the air to scare him. She could have bought a guard dog. She could have contacted his parents. There's any number of things she could have done.
a) when riots turn violent, police quell them with riot shields and billy clubs, not far off from bullets

b) what do u think she was doing for the year leading up to his, sitting in her living room as he shattered her windows and cracked ribs with bricks and then one day it was suddenly too much and she shot the prick, it obviously wasn't the first thing she tried. She contacted the police, if she/they knew who the kids parents were, I'm sure they got several phone calls. She should have shot into the air, potential injuring someone completely innocent? she just got hit in the chest with a brick, chances are the kid saw the gun coming and thought it was a bluff, and he would have viewed a warning shot the same way. and how in the hell is an elderly woman going to care for a dog capable of being a credible threat as a guard dog, she would do herself more injury than the child, think about it. if the kid's brick had crushed her throat, or hit her in the head and caused an anurism, or killed her in some other faction, you'd be clamoring that the kid should be tryed as an adult, or do you honestly believe that being 12 years old is an adequate excuse to throw bricks at old ladies.
in conclusion, he's 12, old enough to know that chucking bricks at old ladies is not only wrong, but harmful, therefor he is capable of knowing that he shouldn't do it, and he did it anyway, that's a crime, self-defense is not. in my opinion, try the kid as an adult, and send him to prison for 5 years, not juvey for 2, and the parents should have to pay for the old ladies medical bills and all damages resulting from the incident. They should also have to pay for emotional damages, and the bullet she put in thier kids shoulder. Maybe then they'll control thier fucking child and teach him that it's fucking wrong to chuck bricks at old ladies, and if u do it, you won't see daylight for 2 month's per fucking brick. and when u do see the sun, you'll be working for that old lady doing chores to pay for the damages and one single word of disrepect you go back to ur room for another 2 months. oh ps, we're selling every electronic device you enjoy and not getting a new one. I'm not kidding, if this were my kid, that's what I would do/want done.
 

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This would be a completely different story if the bullet had hit the kid somewhere more deadly than his shoulder, say, his head? I doubt so many people would be defending the woman. I personally find what she did to be despicable. A 12 year old throws bricks through your window and terrorises you for about a year? Fine, something should happen to the kid but absolutely not a bullet in the fucking shoulder. What are most of you people smoking? She should definitely get some sort of punishment.
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Thyunda said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Thyunda said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Shooting a human is shooting a human. If a thief breaks into your house, slips on a toy, and breaks their leg, they can probably sue you and win.

If someone attacks you and you kill them in self defense, it's still murder

So if someone smashes your window with bricks and insults you, suddenly you can gravely injure a 12 year old boy through a bullet wound and you get off scott free? What the fuck?

Assault is assault, whether self defense or not. Shotting another human is just plain and simple shooting them. It's bull shit.

EDIT: Here's an idea granny: Call the cops before going Rambo on a child's ass

No, it's not murder. It's manslaughter. Big difference. And she did call the police, and she got fuck all out of it.
Sure, it says she called the police, but it says nothign after that. Were the cops on their way? Did they respond? Did they tell her to sit on it? There is no time frame which is given. Just "They came back". So she pulls out a gun and shoots them? I mean. Try calling again? The news didn't ask why the cops didn't show?

And 3rd degree murder is Manslaughter. Same thing
I'm assuming the police showed up, the kids ran off, the police made a couple of token assurances, left, and the kids came back. If the girl didn't know the kid's names, there was barely anything the police could do...what did you expect, stake-out the woman's house?
Token assurances only work for so long. You saying that for a year the police showed up, said "It'll be okay" and left? What kind of police do you have?
British ones.