The one that "high end PC" capabilities are already being put towards, I'm betting. The one they're ALWAYS put towards.Lunar Templar said:
PC gamers will martyr themselves while simultaneously claiming superiority.
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PC gamers will martyr themselves while simultaneously claiming superiority.
This Generation of PC.....wat? PC just keeps getting upgraded. It doesn't have generations. But that's me, whatever.
When the new consoles get released, graphically, they were look fantastic. But about six months down a track, a new graphics card will be released for PC, as well as better CPUs, and other shit computers have (I know next to nothing about hardware). You can't really upgrade a console. Well...not 'legally'. But to be honest, I don't see the big deal. All these developers (Well, mainly it seems to be publishers, not developers) say we need new consoles so they can make more/new games. That's wrong. You need new consoles to make SHINIER games. If a game relies on it's graphical presentation...you've got a shit game. Graphics aside, Crysis was a good game. Crysis 2 on the other hand, while looked brilliant (Even on console), was a severely cut down sequel compared to 1. linear and closed areas, mute character, shittier looking aliens, etc. Me and my flatmate were discussing this the other day. What makes it even worse nowadays, is that developers are making games for every platform at once. Fuck, it was less than five years ago we still had AAA games coming out that were only on PC, or only on one console. Now, every game must be everywhere. And by doing so, we end up with console ports which suffer graphically from it, or PC ports which suffer from even worse bugs.
But this is what happens when the gaming industry is really dominated by only three publishers. Activision, EA and Ubisoft. Yes, there is Bethesda, but they don't seem to be doing anything remotely dickish like the others (Activision with it's constant stream of sub-par CoD multiplayer focus (Except Black Ops 2, where some real effort went into the single player), EA with it's stream of yearly sports games and dick waving about how awesome multiplayer is, Ubisoft with it's "OH GAWD! PIRACY IS RAPING US! LOOK AT ALL THIS MONEY WE'RE GETTING THOUGH! FUCKIN' DRM IN EVERYTHAAAANG!"). It's even worse when I look up game develipers to see what they are working on...and find out half of them have been assimilated into another publisher and go from making original and really good games, to having almost all their development staff fired and the rest working on fucking DLC maps for multiplayer focused games.
So...no. The new console gen might match up graphically to PC for a few months...but then will quickly become outdated. We don't need new Consoles though. We need better games. We had better games and original games coming out n the PS2 and X-Box...why are we now stuck in sequel-verse? I'd rather have a fun game with a great story, memorable characters, awesome gameplay....and look like it came out ten years ago. I still love playing Final Fantasy 7, or Halo. But Crysis 2? Assassins Creed 3? They are more fucking bland and half-arsed than anything else. It's almost like game developers saw this one scene from a Frankie Boyle video and thought it would be a great idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7recXsEKo
When the new consoles get released, graphically, they were look fantastic. But about six months down a track, a new graphics card will be released for PC, as well as better CPUs, and other shit computers have (I know next to nothing about hardware). You can't really upgrade a console. Well...not 'legally'. But to be honest, I don't see the big deal. All these developers (Well, mainly it seems to be publishers, not developers) say we need new consoles so they can make more/new games. That's wrong. You need new consoles to make SHINIER games. If a game relies on it's graphical presentation...you've got a shit game. Graphics aside, Crysis was a good game. Crysis 2 on the other hand, while looked brilliant (Even on console), was a severely cut down sequel compared to 1. linear and closed areas, mute character, shittier looking aliens, etc. Me and my flatmate were discussing this the other day. What makes it even worse nowadays, is that developers are making games for every platform at once. Fuck, it was less than five years ago we still had AAA games coming out that were only on PC, or only on one console. Now, every game must be everywhere. And by doing so, we end up with console ports which suffer graphically from it, or PC ports which suffer from even worse bugs.
But this is what happens when the gaming industry is really dominated by only three publishers. Activision, EA and Ubisoft. Yes, there is Bethesda, but they don't seem to be doing anything remotely dickish like the others (Activision with it's constant stream of sub-par CoD multiplayer focus (Except Black Ops 2, where some real effort went into the single player), EA with it's stream of yearly sports games and dick waving about how awesome multiplayer is, Ubisoft with it's "OH GAWD! PIRACY IS RAPING US! LOOK AT ALL THIS MONEY WE'RE GETTING THOUGH! FUCKIN' DRM IN EVERYTHAAAANG!"). It's even worse when I look up game develipers to see what they are working on...and find out half of them have been assimilated into another publisher and go from making original and really good games, to having almost all their development staff fired and the rest working on fucking DLC maps for multiplayer focused games.
So...no. The new console gen might match up graphically to PC for a few months...but then will quickly become outdated. We don't need new Consoles though. We need better games. We had better games and original games coming out n the PS2 and X-Box...why are we now stuck in sequel-verse? I'd rather have a fun game with a great story, memorable characters, awesome gameplay....and look like it came out ten years ago. I still love playing Final Fantasy 7, or Halo. But Crysis 2? Assassins Creed 3? They are more fucking bland and half-arsed than anything else. It's almost like game developers saw this one scene from a Frankie Boyle video and thought it would be a great idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7recXsEKo
Because, according to some prominent publishers, new IPs don't sell near the end of a console generation.Reaper195 said:
Since those publishers are the ones funding the games ...
That's why Star Citizen got 4 million bucks from consumers.
Daystar Clarion said:
Both of you are right. Spot on in fact.Chairman Miaow said:
It'll only be when the devs can't optimise any more will PC gain ground, but it won't be much ground or for long. We're in that PC gaming bubble right now, at the end of a console cycle, but even if PC gets heaps and bounds ahead of consoles for market share the new generation of consoles will still be far more valuable to the games industry than PC gaming is because the hardware is constant and the manufacturers offer everything they can to make developing on their platforms easier. This isn't a viable approach for PC gaming development, unfortunately, as it's too much of a time-sink to optimise a game for every single combination of hardware currently available. It's not a bad thing, as it refines hardware optimisation and especially when videogames already push hardware to the limits, but it's not great news for an advancement on games that use 8 cores of a CPU and 3-card crossfire/SLI.
yeah, it's funny in a way, but still mostly annoying. they just kinda need to get over the PC just isn't 'where the money is' as far as the publishers are concerned, which is what i think a lot of it stems from.Zachary Amaranth said:
course, I sit in a position of true neutrality, i go where 1) my friends are 2) where i can play with them and 3) where i can still have fun when they're not around. what the system can do as side that, meaningless
for now, that's the PC, and I'll have no issue jumping ship once Consoles start being worth while again (and by that I mean enough games I actually want to play)
With the fact that most of the games I like can be played on PC with a controller these days, I'm really tempted to upgrade my PC instead of buying a new XBox (whatever the third iteration is called). Unfortunately, all my friends are on the 360. Soooo...I'm probably stuck with the next iteration, which looks to be a very limited PC that you can't upgrade.Lunar Templar said:
Still, my experience with the PC gaming community on here is extremely frustrating because of how spoiled they act, while at the same time talking down to console users. I see the same people talk about the PC giving the superior gaming experience follow it up in another thread with "WAAAAAH! SHITTY PORT!" And it's just...Well, both comical AND annoying. It's annomical.
hehe, true.Zachary Amaranth said:
our dogs are spoiled rotten and they don't act half as spoiled as some of the PC gamers on this site, not to mention the unfounded smug sense of superiority, that kinda make want to break a chair over their heads
~$6.5m, but close enoughDanceofmasks said:
I see the thread quickly went downhill when people started just saying PC gamers are being 'elitist' though. As usual. For people who claim to always be hating on how PC gamers 'put down' console gamers (of which i'd like to see an example of that in this thread) they're quick to start name calling (and also like to go and call the wii gamers casual babies, while deriding the mobile players, and also declaring a witch hunt against facebook games). So just cut it out. There's not a single example of elitism at all in this thread, only the person who looks down on PC gamers and just HAS to start whining about the torrent of factual information.
Also, technology underpins everything in gaming. I don't care what you think about a gaming hierarchy, better tech grants more possibilities, it never takes them away. So not wanting better underlying tech is simply madness. In 20 years you'll look back at anyone saying what we have now is 'good enough' and have a little chuckle. 100% guarantee it.
Could be. Currently, we don't know how powerful the next consoles will be. But if they do outperform the current PCs, it will only be like that for a few months before you could upgrade your PCs to be better.
But really, I think graphics as a whole are reaching the end of when they can make significant jumps.
But really, I think graphics as a whole are reaching the end of when they can make significant jumps.
not only my profile, but a couple posts in this thread as well, but thank you for proving my pointAstroSmash said:
I don't know what the future will be like, but the Next-Gen consoles are already easily outdone by right-the-fuck-now PCs.
High-end gaming PCs cost thousands of dollars, whereas consoles only cost a couple of hundred. When it comes to graphics, which I'm not that big on anyway (I play Minecraft and Hotline Miami, so I clearly don't care), I would prefer the much cheaper option.
You say that, but people wouldn't stop bitching about the Wii U price point, even though the PS3 sold at a whopping 500 at launch and the 360 sold for about the wii U's price point as well. If Gamers are content with paying the lesser price, why is bitching still prominent?CyanideSandwich said:
Because people will always find something to ***** about. I obviously don't speak for all console gamers (I'd prefer not to even be associated with the kids on Xbox Live who know no words other than "******"), but I definitely acknowledge the fact that PC is undoubtedly better - you'd expect so with the price - but I'm not that dedicated to gaming that I would fork out that much before even buying a game.Darmy647 said:
Also, how much is the Wii U going for? I don't really keep up with the news.
I dunno, probably not. I don't think its important though, as the proper question to ask is what kind of hardware is required to play the next generation games. Aside from masturbatory glee, having a PC that far exceeds the needs of the game is pointless (unless you want to play two instances of it at once). PC elitists may way outstrip gaming requirements but its kind of stupid if games advance in requirements more slowly then hardware evolves. It's hard to say if your PC is going to be good or not until we see hardware requirements in next gen games.
Wow, I was expecting it to be much more expensive. The 8GB, anyway. A 4GB 360 here in Australia is currently going for the same. But I guess that further reinforces my point. Some of us don't want to set up thousand-dollar gaming rigs, and would instead opt for a cheaper system that will last us the entire console generation and is guaranteed to play the games we want.Darmy647 said: