thats blu ray...Sacman said:Isn't it obvious? they're going with HD DVD next...<.<
thats blu ray...Sacman said:Isn't it obvious? they're going with HD DVD next...<.<
No, it isn't. Look them up on Wikipedia. They already made a HD DVD addon for the 360.epikAXE said:thats blu ray...Sacman said:Isn't it obvious? they're going with HD DVD next...<.<
No. http://www.amazon.co.uk/TDK-BD-R-50GB-Blu-ray-T78009/dp/B0018RIKQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305729293&sr=8-1Dys said:The cost of a disk is near $30 to produce, flash drives are commercially sold for less than that. On top of that, a blu ray disc drive costs however much it costs, a USB (or similar) drive costs (probably) less than $10 to produce. There's also the issues associated with lost/damaged discs, faulty lasers (and hence expensive repairs) and so on (especially weak compared to digital distribution).
Honestly, I just don't see why any company without a vested interest in the technology would push blu ray.
IIRC it's an update to make use of space on the disk that was previously reserved for some other function, rather than magicking up more space, adding more layers or some sort of peripheral.Conza said:That's impossible, unless you're describing some sort of new format for save files on the hard drive, physically increasing the size of a compact disc is not possible by any means, let alone a mere firmware update, the only way to increase game space on a disc, is to do some sort of dual layering (eg. 4.7GB single layer DVD = 9.4GB dual layer DVD), which only fixes future discs, or to upgrade formats to Blu-Ray, which would be far too expensive - even if they released an external Blu-ray drive (like thier HD DVD from my understanding), people would be loathed to buy a new add-on just to be able to read certain types of games.Eri said:I'm going to assume the next xbox won't have blu-ray..it probably won't...They're even trying to squeeze out a last drop of life with
the incoming May firmware update that gives a 15 percent-ish boost to disc space for their games.
If not blu, What are they planning on doing? Maybe trying to make their own new format just for the new console? Staying with DVDs even? Thoughts?
My intial assumptions as to what a blu ray disc costs to produce were considerably higher than they actually are, even so the cost of flash memory is getting crazy cheap. Things like licensing (reportedly $8000 per film/game to have unlimited 'prints' of it, admittedly from a less than reliable source) drives the cost of using the medium up. Flash memory shouldn't be even remotely near £1 per GB, if they can manage to sellSD cards like this then I can't see the cost of production for other forms of flash memory to be especially high.Wicky_42 said:No. http://www.amazon.co.uk/TDK-BD-R-50GB-Blu-ray-T78009/dp/B0018RIKQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305729293&sr=8-1Dys said:The cost of a disk is near $30 to produce, flash drives are commercially sold for less than that. On top of that, a blu ray disc drive costs however much it costs, a USB (or similar) drive costs (probably) less than $10 to produce. There's also the issues associated with lost/damaged discs, faulty lasers (and hence expensive repairs) and so on (especially weak compared to digital distribution).
Honestly, I just don't see why any company without a vested interest in the technology would push blu ray.
I can buy 4 50GB recordable blu-ray disks right now commercially for £12.35 - that's 0.06175p per GB, and those aren't even the stamped, un-recordable disks the industry would use which are going to be a fraction of that price.
USB Flash memory comes in at around £1 per GB, scaling pretty evenly up to 32GB then getting more expensive.
That's 16x as expensive if you were doing it from home, let alone the massive savings the industry will get on disks which won't be available in anything like the strength on flash memory.
One day though - one day cartridges will return!
I don't see too many companys selling flash memory at less than a dollar per GB, but I also don't see any reason for distributer to sell for less than what the market is happy to pay (which is notably more). I know the whole story with NAND not dropping price as predicted and there not being a huge drop in production costs and all of the justification for why it's so expensive at the consumer level, but I just struggle to accept that such a new technology, that is (at least in my eyes) yet unproven to be cheaper. I see no reason why those few games that do not fit on a DVD disc to combine a DVD disc with game content stored on a portable hdd or some form of flash media.BloodSquirrel said:Looking around, I can't find flash memory going for under $1/GB. A "flash memory producing stuido" would be more along the lines of a fabrication plant, which are FAR more expensive than an optical media printing press.Dys said:And such an operation would, presumably, be more costly than a 24/7 flash memory producing studio. Plus licensing fees.
Also, I'm talking about the same kind of reader that currently exists on cameras/laptops with a different pin configuration or something. That would be trivial to develop. USB is designed as a universal format for connecting arbitrary devices to a PC/console, not as an actual drive interface, which makes it less than ideal for your systems primary drive.
That only works in a monopoly, or in an oligopoly with price fixing behind the scenes. The flash market is pretty competitive right now, especially with the number of players trying to get in on the ground floor of the SSD market.Dys said:I don't see too many companys selling flash memory at less than a dollar per GB, but I also don't see any reason for distributer to sell for less than what the market is happy to pay (which is notably more).
Even if MS can sell flash cards for ½ the price they?re currently going for, that?s still $16 for a 32 GB disc.Dys said:Look, ultimately I could be completely wrong about the costs, but I'm still somewhat doubtful about blu ray discs being the most economically viable choice. There's still the competition from digital distribution and simply storing games on hard disc and, quite frankly, I wouldn't expect microsoft to adopt bluray if their next best alternative was posting individual lines of code.
Huh? That's an 8 GB card for $13. That's almost $2 per GB. And it's on Ebay.Dys said:Flash memory shouldn't be even remotely near £1 per GB, if they can manage to sellSD cards like this then I can't see the cost of production for other forms of flash memory to be especially high.
Not entirely, there's a lot of companies that have spares so....there you go.Dulcinea said:There is no way Sony will let Microsoft use their technology.
Sony does own the rights to Blu-ray, right?
I do believe the one that made the first BDD was Toshiba and they supplied most of the parts for the PS3, so I doubt they're in the business of not making millions of dollars from Microsoft.Dulcinea said:There is no way Sony will let Microsoft use their technology.
Sony does own the rights to Blu-ray, right?
And the disks look awesome. =Dwillsham45 said:Green ray...exactly the same as blue ray but green
I would not buy that, i prefer to have a physical copy of a game so I actually own it, download should always be an option but then so should physical mediaZac Smith said:This, all games will be downloaded in HD quality and stored on a large HDDCathal Sixsixosix said:Digital distribution