NFL Player kills girlfriend, then self at practice facilty. Game still set for Sunday.

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Loonyyy said:
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Signa said:
My question was rhetorical, but if you're going to quote me, at least try to answer it if it's that stupid of a suggestion to you.
It's not a matter of it being stupid, it's just incredibly insulting. You've probably never read anything about her before, but your first reaction is that she's a gold digger?
So you're taking issue with the fact that I'm jumping to a less than flattering assumption. Ok, I can understand that. But have you read anything on her either? Here's what I know: She was murdered by her boyfriend. That right there sends red flags up to me, because it means she was more concerned for something about her boy friend than his personality. A person doesn't usually just murder someone in front of their parents without sending up some of their own red flags that she would have had to ignored. I don't buy for a minute that this was the first time he displayed any violent tendencies. If she had any sense about her, she would have broken it off the moment those signs showed. I don't know if it was actually money that she was interested in, but something overrode that common sense in her, and money is a good place to start pointing fingers. I'd be glad to be wrong on this, because besmirching her name is hardly my agenda, but I see patterns in situations like this, and money is the most likely answer with the facts as they are shown to me.
You should look up domestic abuse some more. Because quite frankly, I don't see how someone as uninformed about domestic abuse as you are has seen patterns.

1.) There's a kid involved. She could be trying to protect her child (Which is not unheard of). Or, she might feel that she is obligated to stay with him because of the child.
2.) Battered person syndrome. Domestic abuse victims are not rational. Indeed, they are the opposite. They often form attachments to their abuser, to the point of defending their actions. There's a good reason behind the trope of "I walked into a door.". Look it up, this is serious business.

The assumption that "She's probably a "Gold-digger"." is frankly misogynist and uninformed. It betrays a lack of research into domestic abuse, and a base assumption about a character unknown based on her relationship with a successful person. And even if she was a "Gold-digger", then that'd be his problem to deal with, and his choice to have relations with her, and is completely unrelated to his decision to, you know, murder her. Whether you, or anyone else, feels that people will die alone, or the like, doesn't really impact the fact that most people, even the vilest, have deep personal relationships, even if they lack a "Winning personality".
I'm growing tired of this conversation. Basically, I'm not allowed to assume that someone who clearly put themselves in harm's way had any reason to do so. Nope, she was the victim, so obviously she had no part in her own demise what so ever.

Don't get me wrong, I think the football player is a fucking piece of shit, but the girl was drawn to be with that piece of shit, so I judge her to be an unsavory person as well, until I hear otherwise. You're making grand assumptions, just as I am, for saying that she might have been held against her will. Accusing me of being uninformed or callous is just misdirection so no one takes notices of your own assumptions.

As far as domestic abuse goes, I'm informed enough thank you. I know that it's estimated that husband abuse is just as common as wife abuse, but it goes largely unreported. That, and much of it is also verbal, so while damaging, a man can't report their wife for hurting them emotionally, but the wife can turn around and report the man for taking their frustrations out on a wall. It's happened to people I know. Any statistics you might read that's contrary to that comes from studies held by battered wife shelters and other pro-woman groups that are trying to vilify males. Basically, both sides are trying to play favorites, and they are getting people like you who never actually had to deal with abuse to support one side over the other.
 

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Redlin5 said:
So, what's more important America? Your NFL schedule or recognizing that a massive tragedy has occurred a fortnight before the game?

Personally I think the game should have be rescheduled out of respect for the family of the deceased, the team who don't feel at all like playing football and the fans who probably were disappointed with the playing of the team.

That's my opinion. Football players are human too.

Edited a minor mistake.
I'm pretty sure they were fine with going ahead as scheduled.
"As far as playing the game, I felt that was the best thing for us to do because that's what we do ? we are football players, we are football coaches and we play and coach on Sunday. That's why I wanted to play the game. After talking with the captains, they also felt like it was best that we played, if for no other reason, it takes our mind off our misery for a few hours. That's what it did. It helped us do that. After talking with them, we finalized the fact that we were going to play the game. They pulled together and were able to get the energy together to go out there and play a football game. A lot of respect goes to the players as well..."
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Though I doubt it would have mattered if they rescheduled, not like Kansas City or Carolina are making the playoffs anyway.