Nintendo continue to protect your eyes from disgusting female form.

[Leg End]

Ah yes, the cruel crime of replacing panties with spats. Truly comparable to the most grievous offenses of McCarthy era America. And smoke covering titties, that has never been done in any medium ever, no siree. Only video games with its cruel sjws.

A stupid practice is stupid, no matter the medium.

None of you even plan to buy it, why do you give a fuck?

I planned to, probably not anymore.

EDIT: You guys do realize this was probably done to get a T rating, right?

I've seen nothing so far that would warrant an M rating in its unaltered state.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ah yes, the cruel crime of replacing panties with spats. Truly comparable to the most grievous offenses of McCarthy era America. And smoke covering titties, that has never been done in any medium ever, no siree. Only video games with its cruel sjws.

None of you even plan to buy it, why do you give a fuck?

EDIT: You guys do realize this was probably done to get a T rating, right?

Saying you can't complain about a particular thing because there are kids starving in Africa at the same time has always been ridiculous reasoning. And I can't see anyone bitching about SJWs in this thread, just people blaming Nintendo, so I don't know what you're trying to say.
I like how sure you are that absolutely nobody could be planning to buy a crossover game of 2 franchises which have both sold thousands of copies in the west over the years.

1. In this thread, it is being called censorship with people making arguments that all censorship is suspicious, but sure, I exaggerated a bit for a joke because I simply cannot take that complaint seriously. It's literally a joke in Index. Japan itself is laughing at your bullshit (I'll point out this is also an exaggeration for humor, not all of Japan is laughing at you, because virtually all of Japan does not know that you even exist).
2. In this thread, it is already being argued that this was done out of fear of being labelled with ism's.
3. This game is not selling well. At all. And I doubt they care about this game if they'd make the argument that it displays an effort by Nintendo to hide the evil female form given that it is on the whole an insane celebration of all things stupidly Japanese, especially fanservice.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ah yes, the cruel crime of replacing panties with spats. Truly comparable to the most grievous offenses of McCarthy era America. And smoke covering titties, that has never been done in any medium ever, no siree. Only video games with its cruel sjws.

A stupid practice is stupid, no matter the medium.

And yet it is apparently more suspicious when Nintendo does it than when Trigger does.

None of you even plan to buy it, why do you give a fuck?

I planned to, probably not anymore.

You realize the game is still loaded front to back with T&A? You may as well stop watching anime at all with that degree of "principles." There's less "censorship" in this game than half the fanservice shows this season.

EDIT: You guys do realize this was probably done to get a T rating, right?

I've seen nothing so far that would warrant an M rating in its unaltered state.

This is probably one of the most fanservice heavy games to be released stateside with a T rating. Sure, no actual nudity is in it, but no actual nudity blood or gore were in Persona 4 either, which got an M rating despite having less fanservice than this game.

 

[Leg End]

And yet it is apparently more suspicious when Nintendo does it than when Trigger does.

So we're just going to forget that there is a difference between a finished product being altered and the hilariously stupid censorship being there by design?

You realize the game is still loaded front to back with T&A? You may as well stop watching anime at all with that degree of "principles." There's less "censorship" in this game than half the fanservice shows this season.

See above. We're also forgetting this being a part of blu-ray sales strategies then.

This is probably one of the most fanservice heavy games to be released stateside with a T rating. Sure, no actual nudity is in it, but no actual nudity blood or gore were in Persona 4 either, which got an M rating despite having less fanservice than this game.

Game ratings can be stupid that way. Then again I've never played P4 so I have no idea what was in the game to possibly warrant any given rating.

 

[k0n9]

Ya know I am sick to death of people complaining about this censorship, because I'm 90% sure that most of these people only care about pixalated lady parts. When Bravely Default was coming to the states a lot of forums were complaining about how Agnes' and Edea's costumes were changed, yet Ringabel's was removed and there was hardly a peep about it.

Spoiler

Seriously get off your moral high horse.

 

[NiPah]

And then there's more narrow parlance. In gaming circles, "censorship" appears to mean "they changed something in a way I don't like."

I think it might be more accurate to say "They changed something for the perceived (accurate or not) reason of not offending some group due to the suggestive content, whatever it might be." Some people do simply point out the change, like the OP here, trying to point out the contradictory nature of their alterations, missing some parts, but not others, etc. The OP doesn't seem offended by it, more so confused at the inconsistency of it I think.

Granted, most of the people who then respond to such threads tend to fall into the "changed it in a way I don't like" category, but it's not always the case.

Keep in mind, when they changed the design of Mobius Final Fantasy's main character to make them less sexy, there was no howling cry about censorship.. because said character was male. Funny that, making women less sexy is bad to these people, but making men less sexy is totally ok.

Keep in mind on the Escapist thread about that very topic no one cried foul when this was called censorship, guess people only come out in mass to explain when censorship isn't censorship when it involves women.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/663.873613-Mobius-FF-character-designed-to-be-less-sexy#21930127
Also poster made a valid argument, you're referencing a game that was never censored for its release to America, FF Mobious was a mobile Japanese only title, of corse the backlash is going to be less.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

And yet it is apparently more suspicious when Nintendo does it than when Trigger does.

So we're just going to forget that there is a difference between a finished product being altered and the hilariously stupid censorship being there by design?

You say as if censorship has never been added to an anime in post-production. It has, and not just by the localization team.

You realize the game is still loaded front to back with T&A? You may as well stop watching anime at all with that degree of "principles." There's less "censorship" in this game than half the fanservice shows this season.

See above. We're also forgetting this being a part of blu-ray sales strategies then.

See above, and if anything that only makes it about a hundred times worse given how overpriced those Blu-Rays are. It also isn't part of the Blu-Ray sales for everything.

This is probably one of the most fanservice heavy games to be released stateside with a T rating. Sure, no actual nudity is in it, but no actual nudity blood or gore were in Persona 4 either, which got an M rating despite having less fanservice than this game.

Game ratings can be stupid that way. Then again I've never played P4 so I have no idea what was in the game to possibly warrant any given rating.

So you concede the point then? Or not? Just saying it's stupid (which I largely agree with to some degree in the case of all changes sans the age up, though I find most of them stupid to complain about too) doesn't mean Nintendo didn't need to do it.

 

[Leg End]

You say as if censorship has never been added to an anime in post-production. It has, and not just by the localization team.

Which is still retarded.

See above, and if anything that only makes it about a hundred times worse given how overpriced those Blu-Rays are. It also isn't part of the Blu-Ray sales for everything.

It's a shitty practice that's often worked into how they're limited for broadcast. This is why I'm never importing Blu-Rays except for two series.

So you concede the point then? Or not? Just saying it's stupid (which I largely agree with to some degree in the case of all changes sans the age up, though I find most of them stupid to complain about too) doesn't mean Nintendo didn't need to do it.

I'm saying it's stupid and a poor excuse for Nintendo as I know I've seen games with heavier fanservice slide into a T.

Makes you wonder why they wouldn't just go for an M if they're that worried because, come on, we both know who is buying it and it's not usually the kind of person to just pick it up on the shelf and say "ooh, that looks fun".

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

You say as if censorship has never been added to an anime in post-production. It has, and not just by the localization team.

Which is still retarded.

Fair, but it's not outrageous, and it irritates me that we have to make an angry thread about every change Nintendo makes to a game as if it is a harbinger of the end times. It causes people to dramatically misunderstand what the games are actually like, which costs those games sales, and since many of those are games made by developers I really like, it irks me.

See above, and if anything that only makes it about a hundred times worse given how overpriced those Blu-Rays are. It also isn't part of the Blu-Ray sales for everything.

It's a shitty practice that's often worked into how they're limited for broadcast. This is why I'm never importing Blu-Rays except for two series.

Much agreed.

So you concede the point then? Or not? Just saying it's stupid (which I largely agree with to some degree in the case of all changes sans the age up, though I find most of them stupid to complain about too) doesn't mean Nintendo didn't need to do it.

I'm saying it's stupid and a poor excuse for Nintendo as I know I've seen games with heavier fanservice slide into a T.

Makes you wonder why they wouldn't just go for an M if they're that worried because, come on, we both know who is buying it and it's not usually the kind of person to just pick it up on the shelf and say "ooh, that looks fun".

I think that quote often they're allowed to resubmit games to the ESRB after getting a rating back from them, so some of this may have been done after already getting an M rating, though it still could have been done out of fear of an M rating given how quick the ESRB is to hand them out.

I think that Nintendo is just hoping to rope in a few teenaged Fire Emblem fans who don't know this is "Otaku-bait, The Video Game." The sales of Fates and Awakening were much, much higher than those of FeXSMT domestically, and they may expect that to happen in America too. A 13 year old is less likely to know what they're getting into with this game, and not forcing them to get their parents to OK it may help.

 

[Dragonbums]

Can we not?

Nintendo has every right to do whatever the fuck they want with their characters. They are not 'disgusted at the female form' because they refuse to keep some female characters at baseline sexual pandering for a minority of the demographic.

Before we even pretend to give a shit about the female characters wear in this game, I'd like to address the fact that this game was universally shat on by the holy weeabo demographic because they dared to make it 'too Japanese' and center around J-Pop.

 

[renegade7]

I just want to add to this whole "censorship" discussion that there are still places in the world where journalists get shot for speaking out against the government, you know. I'm pretty sure there's a group of democratic dissenters in China or Iran who would love the worst censorship they encounter in their lives to be an awkward puff of smoke over a cartoon woman's breasts.

That said though, I think there is some substance to the argument that this kind of localization can be problematic. I understand the need to adjust for differing social norms, and that makes sense when you're marketing games on platforms that are commonly played by children and young teenagers whose parents still have a powerful influence on purchasing decisions, but for older players I can see why it might come across as patronizing.

This is why we need to get rid of crap like region locking. It shouldn't be illegal DRM circumvention to decide that you'd rather play a foreign pre-localization version of a game.

 

[WindKnight]

Keep in mind on the Escapist thread about that very topic no one cried foul when this was called censorship, guess people only come out in mass to explain when censorship isn't censorship when it involves women.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/663.873613-Mobius-FF-character-designed-to-be-less-sexy#21930127
Also poster made a valid argument, you're referencing a game that was never censored for its release to America, FF Mobious was a mobile Japanese only title, of corse the backlash is going to be less.

Actually the general point of the thread reading through it is largely people making the point I did - if the character was a woman, there would have been a big outcry from the censorship crowd about their TnA being taken away.

 

[Leg End]

Fair, but it's not outrageous, and it irritates me that we have to make an angry thread about every change Nintendo makes to a game as if it is a harbinger of the end times. It causes people to dramatically misunderstand what the games are actually like, which costs those games sales, and since many of those are games made by developers I really like, it irks me.

It just angers me because I thought we were long past the point of any edits needing to be made for western releases. I want to play muh weeb games in their intended glory.

I think that quote often they're allowed to resubmit games to the ESRB after getting a rating back from them, so some of this may have been done after already getting an M rating, though it still could have been done out of fear of an M rating given how quick the ESRB is to hand them out.

If I remember correctly, as long as you pay the fee you can basically get a game resubmitted as many times as you like.

I think that Nintendo is just hoping to rope in a few teenaged Fire Emblem fans who don't know this is "Otaku-bait, The Video Game." The sales of Fates and Awakening were much, much higher than those of FeXSMT domestically, and they may expect that to happen in America too. A 13 year old is less likely to know what they're getting into with this game, and not forcing them to get their parents to OK it may help.

I'd argue they're making it that much worse because, as shown, they're basically changing bits while leaving in other blatant bits. They're alienating the fanbase that wants the game period while potentially shooting their ass with parents who take the rating and brand at face value and then see titties or various other things the bible belt doesn't approve of.
They're trying to appease everyone, which has never, ever, ever worked.

Can we not?

Nintendo has every right to do whatever the fuck they want with their characters. They are not 'disgusted at the female form' because they refuse to keep some female characters at baseline sexual pandering for a minority of the demographic.

And I'm in my "right"(do we seriously need to assert rights in a matter of opinion?) to call them assholes for editing a game I just wanted roughly translated so I can weeb.

Before we even pretend to give a shit about the female characters wear in this game, I'd like to address the fact that this game was universally shat on by the holy weeabo demographic because they dared to make it 'too Japanese' and center around J-Pop.

So why shoot themselves in the ass further? Let's just get this shit out there and watch what happens.

I just want to add to this whole "censorship" discussion that there are still places in the world where journalists get shot for speaking out against the government, you know. I'm pretty sure there's a group of democratic dissenters in China or Iran who would love the worst censorship they encounter in their lives to be an awkward puff of smoke over a cartoon woman's breasts.

Yes and there are starving people in China/Africa/Russia/Everywhere so I should be happy my food isn't 100% poison and I don't need to know what is in it. That comparison never works.

That said though, I think there is some substance to the argument that this kind of localization can be problematic. I understand the need to adjust for differing social norms, and that makes sense when you're marketing games on platforms that are commonly played by children and young teenagers whose parents still have a powerful influence on purchasing decisions, but for older players I can see why it might come across as patronizing.

This is why we need to get rid of crap like region locking. It shouldn't be illegal DRM circumvention to decide that you'd rather play a foreign pre-localization version of a game.

The entire line of thinking blends in this case. Anyone remember Nintendo having the balls to say that importers were breaking laws by doing so?

 

[Dragonbums]

So why shoot themselves in the ass further?

It's not Nintendo's fault that TnA consuming gamers are so fucking sensitive about not being able to see more female skin that they will literally rage for 8 pages about it. Quite frankly this controversey was good for them. Nobody sans the few people who were genuinely interested in it even cared. And the people taking the moral FEMALE FORM APPRECIATION farce would of continued to not even give the game a nod had they of kept silent about the changes or changed nothing.
But 'censorship' panic brings in attention for the devs and clicks to the sites that report them. So by all means continue to be utilized as easy clickbait dollars over crap that's been done in every entertainment media ever since the dawn of internationally distributed products.

Let's just get this shit out there and watch what happens.

I already know what's going to happen, the game will still sell like dog shit because none of the people suddenly 'caring' about the game ever had any interest in buying the game to begin with. It will make meager niche sales with the people interested and Nintendo will learn that despite the calls for 'authentic Japanese games', these same people only care if it's shallow loli, breast, and panty shot pandering that contribute nothing to the characters at all.
They will also learn that nobody in the West likes or cares about J-Pop which is the biggest reason it's not selling. (That and the fact that people here latched on to a stupid movie maker announcement trailer from 4 years ago and believed it as gospel.)

I for one can't wait for this stupid argument to die in the water along with other pointless gaming controversies. I'll see these complaints as genuine when the various male characters that got de-sexualized for Western releases aren't defending with 'well that's because it looked stupid' by the same crowd of people who accuse any company of doing the same for their female characters on the premise that they are 'scoffing and disgusted at the female form.' Like seriously, who are you truly fooling with this?
It's an obvious double standard. Thank fuck 90% of gaming controversies are just storm in teacups.

 

[joshuaayt]

Maybe someone decided that the game had too much anime titties, and tried to scale it back so the game was less pandering trash?

Else they just have a "total number of anime titties allowed" quota, before the rating goes up. Either way, not a big deal, especially since as you say there's still anime titties in there.

 

[Leg End]

It's not Nintendo's fault that TnA consuming gamers are so fucking sensitive about not being able to see more female skin that they will literally rage for 8 pages about it. Quite frankly this controversey was good for them. Nobody sans the few people who were genuinely interested in it even cared. And the people taking the moral FEMALE FORM APPRECIATION farce would of continued to not even give the game a nod had they of kept silent about the changes or changed nothing.
But 'censorship' panic brings in attention for the devs and clicks to the sites that report them. So by all means continue to be utilized as easy clickbait dollars over crap that's been done in every entertainment media ever since the dawn of internationally distributed products.

So basically, stop browsing the internet and don't worry about what you like is what you're saying.

I already know what's going to happen, the game will still sell like dog shit because none of the people suddenly 'caring' about the game ever had any interest in buying the game to begin with.

I kinda did.

It will make meager niche sales with the people interested

That was a given.

and Nintendo will learn that despite the calls for 'authentic Japanese games', these same people only care if it's shallow loli, breast, and panty shot pandering that contribute nothing to the characters at all.

So let's just change everything that isn't stamped with "THIS IS RELEVANT TO THE CHARACTER'S EXISTENCE DON'T REMOVE PLS".

They will also learn that nobody in the West likes or cares about J-Pop which is the biggest reason it's not selling. (That and the fact that people here latched on to a stupid movie maker announcement trailer from 4 years ago and believed it as gospel.)

People in the west enjoy J-Pop. The actual issue I imagine is people having wanted something different from the crossover.

I for one can't wait for this stupid argument to die in the water along with other pointless gaming controversies.

Wouldn't everything just be pointless then considering we're just talking about a hobby? At what point is something not pointless?

I'll see these complaints as genuine when the various male characters that got de-sexualized for Western releases aren't defending with 'well that's because it looked stupid' by the same crowd of people who accuse any company of doing the same for their female characters on the premise that they are 'scoffing and disgusted at the female form.' Like seriously, who are you truly fooling with this?

Are we talking about Bravely Default? Because that was stupid too.

It's an obvious double standard. Thank fuck 90% of gaming controversies are just storm in teacups.

It's more that you rarely have male clothing options or the like changed for a East to West release. About the only one I actually remember at all was Bravely Default.

The point stands that it's a bunch of pointless changes that does nothing to help the medium.

 

[WindKnight]

The point stands that it's a bunch of pointless changes that does nothing to help the medium.

Its 'localisation' - some things don't fly as well as they do in the west ads they do in Japan. And this is not just 'western prudishness' - to take an example from where your avatar is from, I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

 

[Leg End]

Its 'localisation' - some things don't fly as well as they do in the west ads they do in Japan.

Ignoring the fact that the game is Japan incarnate.

And this is not just 'western prudishness'

You're right. It's Nintendo stupidity.

to take an example from where your avatar is from, I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

Which I'm fairly sure was translated in full in virtually all releases of the Manga. The Anime had a very different outcome, but not like that would have mattered because that was butchered six ways from Sunday in one of the most shining examples of how NOT to localize something.

Then again for the Anime we can just substitute it for Homoeroticism or even the relationship of Fujitaka and Nadeshiko. This is all a uniquely American thing it seems as to my knowledge, Mexico didn't censor CCS in any form and it's a staple of childhood down there. Americans are apparently unique and require bubble wrap.

Of course, we're ignoring the fact that many westerners have had no problem with the series in uncut forms. Seems like more assumptions on part of publishers.

 

[Something Amyss]

Its 'localisation' - some things don't fly as well as they do in the west ads they do in Japan. And this is not just 'western prudishness' - to take an example from where your avatar is from, I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

You'd be surprised how often that IS chalked up to Western "prudishness."

But more to the point, it's also not a one-way street. Games are localised for Japan when they come from the West and likely even from other Eastern countries.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Can we not?

Nintendo has every right to do whatever the fuck they want with their characters. They are not 'disgusted at the female form'
.

It was just a prank bro.

I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

Assuming you mean the Cardcaptor Sakura storyline, it remained in the Tokyopop manga in full. I could take photos but I'm not at home.