Nintendo continue to protect your eyes from disgusting female form.

[NiPah]

Keep in mind on the Escapist thread about that very topic no one cried foul when this was called censorship, guess people only come out in mass to explain when censorship isn't censorship when it involves women.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/663.873613-Mobius-FF-character-designed-to-be-less-sexy#21930127
Also poster made a valid argument, you're referencing a game that was never censored for its release to America, FF Mobious was a mobile Japanese only title, of corse the backlash is going to be less.

Actually the general point of the thread reading through it is largely people making the point I did - if the character was a woman, there would have been a big outcry from the censorship crowd about their TnA being taken away.

But people were calling it censorship, I'm just pointing out that no one was correcting them when they called it censorship.
Guess people only want to cry "not censorship" when it's TnA being censored, when say a CD is being censored for curse words no one is yelling how the use of the word is deminishing its meaning and how the pro-cursers only complain when it's the word shit being censored and never cared when the word ass was censored.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Actually the general point of the thread reading through it is largely people making the point I did - if the character was a woman, there would have been a big outcry from the censorship crowd about their TnA being taken away.

That it wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't already spent all their "censorship" points complaining about the same crap for every title out in the past six months. There is only so much people can tolerate before they stop listening and just move on. Gamers need to learn to pick their battles.

 

[EternallyBored]

Actually the general point of the thread reading through it is largely people making the point I did - if the character was a woman, there would have been a big outcry from the censorship crowd about their TnA being taken away.

That it wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't already spent all their "censorship" points complaining about the same crap for every title out in the past six months. There is only so much people can tolerate before they stop listening and just move on. Gamers need to learn to pick their battles.

The internet in general seems to be prone to this, hyperbole runs rampant to the point that so many serious concepts are diluted by overuse. Censorship has a certain weight and emotional baggage, its not necessarily being used wrong in any of these topics, but the weight behind the concept becomes diminished when we cast such a wide net around the word.

This thread could just as easily swap the word censored with changed and lose none of the meaning. When it gets used like this the word censorship basically just becomes synonymous with "they changed something". It's a valid use of the word, but it ends up often poisoning the resulting discussion.

It's like a lot of other loaded words, for example, we currently have another thread on the front page by the Almighty Aardvark touting that the Witcher is "kind of sexist". While we can argue that the term is being technically used correctly, and I even agree with quite a few of the points he was making in the thread, I still have to resist the urge to roll my eyes and sigh every time I read the title. Much like censorship, concepts like sexism get defined so broadly that all the emotional punch behind the word becomes almost farcical.

Its gotten to the point that most of the time now when I see the word censorship I just mentally substitute it with the word "change/changed/changes".

 

[Dragonbums]

It was just a prank bro.

What?

I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

Assuming you mean the Cardcaptor Sakura storyline, it remained in the Tokyopop manga in full. I could take photos but I'm not at home.

I never even said this so I'm not sure who you are responding to.

 

[Flammablezeus]

And yet they love flaunting zero-suit Samus, whose outfit is so tight it looks like body paint.

 

[Leg End]

I never even said this so I'm not sure who you are responding to.

Quoting probably got fucked up as he was trying to quote @WindKnight

 

[Dragonbums]

So basically, stop browsing the internet and don't worry about what you like is what you're saying.

No, it means stop being hyper sensitive children and getting piss mad over every single stupid change a company makes that you may or may not agree with. Realize how absolutely stupid it all is and maybe be more discerning about which controversial hill you want to die on. It's so easy to rake in the click bait that all a company dev has to say now is 'censorship' and they are guaranteed a few extra sold copies from people who genuinely believe the artistic expression of a studio is stifled because they spent 30 extra minutes giving a female character model 2 inches more clothing.

So let's just change everything that isn't stamped with "THIS IS RELEVANT TO THE CHARACTER'S EXISTENCE DON'T REMOVE PLS".

How do you know they changed everything not relevant to the characters? I mean if you want a fap game that much the PS Vita and it's host of ecchi and loli games are right there for your consumption. Don't stamp your feet and cry because Nintendo- the company that has always done this- decides to uphold it's 30 year tradition of adding slightly more fabric and denying 'the gamers' their precious anime tits.

People in the west enjoy J-Pop.

lmao, did you see the negative reactions in the comments when it was announced that most of the music was going to focus on J-Pop?

The actual issue I imagine is people having wanted something different from the crossover.

Like what? They never promised much of anything other than it was going to take elements from two different games.

Wouldn't everything just be pointless then considering we're just talking about a hobby? At what point is something not pointless?

It will stop being pointless when it actually contributes a real conversation to the game industry and doesn't rely on clickbait like this thread and fear mongering.
At what point does seeing Nintendo alter female outfits and than accusing them of 'being disgusted at the female form' constitute as anything constructive?
For one, you just accused a company of hating women for no other fucking reason than because they added slight outfit alteration.
Two you are immediately painting the company in a bad light and playing double standards. For all the gamers harping on 'artistic freedom' if Nintendo did this on their own free will than they are doing this because they hate the female body. Had someone complained about it than Nintendo would of been accused of 'bending' to SJWs.
Three, these complaints are obviously transparent in their actual meaning. After all NONE of the outrage was there when male characters got the same treatment. It only happens for female characters. At that point you knew saying 'stop taking away my fanservice!' wasn't going to win you any points but another humiliating segment on the Colbert Report. So you go with the underhanded tactic of smearing Nintendo by painting them as hating the female body because they denied you the privilege to see more female skin.
This complaint does nothing for the game. It doesn't point out any flaws in themes or execution of the game. It doesn't deal with how characters are portrayed outside of how much they can tittilate you. It doesn't tell the devs anything.
All petty complaints like this accomplish is PR headaches and further making studios just tune out the internet discourse. Providing Nintendo wasn't doing that already since the last battlefield you guys died on was Lin the 13 year old from Xenoblade wearing a 'fuck me' bikini lingerie.

]It's more that you rarely have male clothing options or the like changed for a East to West release. About the only one I actually remember at all was Bravely Default.

Male characters are hardly changed from East to West because male characters are hardly hyper sexualized as often as female characters are that warrants them to be changed to begin with. Ringabel got altered (or in this case taken out.) for the same reason that all the other sexualized female characters did. However, not a single shit fling was thrown at Nintendo at all for this. It has nothing to do with 'because it doesn't happen as often' it's because titillation for women does nothing for the demographic that cries over the loss of waifu fap. Which is usually a male demographic. (It's just stupid design they all say.)

The point stands that it's a bunch of pointless changes that does nothing to help the medium.

If it's so pointless why get so mad? Nintendo changes bikinis once again? Big fucking whoop. Go to the other 13 dozen companies that skirt the line of hentai and ecchi then.
Adding tittaliation for the sake of it doesn't help the medium either. And there is no shortage of that despite fear mongering cries saying otherwise.

 

[Leg End]

No, it means stop being hyper sensitive children and getting piss mad over every single stupid change a company makes that you may or may not agree with.

That's the point.

Realize how absolutely stupid it all is and maybe be more discerning about which controversial hill you want to die on.

Stop making stupid pointless changes and there won't be people voicing their concerns over getting a gimped copy.

It's so easy to rake in the click bait that all a company dev has to say now is 'censorship' and they are guaranteed a few extra sold copies from people who genuinely believe the artistic expression of a studio is stifled because they spent 30 extra minutes giving a female character model 2 inches more clothing.

So you're saying the protesters themselves are free advertisement or that they're buying gimped copies?

How do you know they changed everything not relevant to the characters? I mean if you want a fap game that much the PS Vita and it's host of ecchi and loli games are right there for your consumption.

If I want my Loli and Ecchi games, I know exactly where to find them. I want my weeb crossover of a series I enjoy and a series I haven't played before.

Don't stamp your feet and cry because Nintendo- the company that has always done this- decides to uphold it's 30 year tradition of adding slightly more fabric and denying 'the gamers' their precious anime tits.

There is a reason why people can't take Nintendo seriously anymore, and this is a part of it. You can't take a company seriously that doesn't take you seriously.

lmao, did you see the negative reactions in the comments when it was announced that most of the music was going to focus on J-Pop?

Because maybe people wanted a larger selection?

Like what? They never promised much of anything other than it was going to take elements from two different games.

They kind of wasted a lot of potential, but that's a different argument here.

It will stop being pointless when it actually contributes a real conversation to the game industry and doesn't rely on clickbait like this thread and fear mongering.

The title is obviously a joke.
You've got an industry where altering content is acceptable because people in an entire region are seen as retarded. You're altering content in a game which isn't helping the medium from an artistic standpoint.

At what point does seeing Nintendo alter female outfits and than accusing them of 'being disgusted at the female form' constitute as anything constructive?

That is called Humor.

For one, you just accused a company of hating women for no other fucking reason than because they added slight outfit alteration.

I'm accusing a company of being retarded.

Two you are immediately painting the company in a bad light and playing double standards. For all the gamers harping on 'artistic freedom' if Nintendo did this on their own free will than they are doing this because they hate the female body. Had someone complained about it than Nintendo would of been accused of 'bending' to SJWs.

Just translate the game and we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

Three, these complaints are obviously transparent in their actual meaning. After all NONE of the outrage was there when male characters got the same treatment.

Yes it was.

It only happens for female characters. At that point you knew saying 'stop taking away my fanservice!'

Are we changing the argument to Nintendo taking fanservice out of a titty game? Because then it's obvious what party is just making stupid decisions.

wasn't going to win you any points but another humiliating segment on the Colbert Report.

It got anyone a segment there in the first place?

So you go with the underhanded tactic of smearing Nintendo by painting them as hating the female body because they denied you the privilege to see more female skin.

Or charging full price for a hackjob.

This complaint does nothing for the game. It doesn't point out any flaws in themes or execution of the game.

Because people have complained quite a bit about that already.

It doesn't deal with how characters are portrayed outside of how much they can tittilate you. It doesn't tell the devs anything.

Not like the devs would be listening. The devs being different from the translation team in this case.

All petty complaints like this accomplish is PR headaches and further making studios just tune out the internet discourse.

So, exactly what the protesters set out to accomplish and to show that the company clearly doesn't listen to the audience and wonders why they have bad PR.

Providing Nintendo wasn't doing that already since the last battlefield you guys died on was Lin the 13 year old from Xenoblade wearing a 'fuck me' bikini lingerie.

They're tuning out basically everyone, which is why no one buys their shit.

Male characters are hardly changed from East to West because male characters are hardly hyper sexualized as often as female characters are that warrants them to be changed to begin with. Ringabel got altered (or in this case taken out.) for the same reason that all the other sexualized female characters did. However, not a single shit fling was thrown at Nintendo at all for this. It has nothing to do with 'because it doesn't happen as often' it's because titillation for women does nothing for the demographic that cries over the loss of waifu fap. Which is usually a male demographic. (It's just stupid design they all say.)

Or, maybe it's just commonly accepted that males looking jacked is a often desired trait for a character that beats the shit out of things?

If it's so pointless why get so mad? Nintendo changes bikinis once again? Big fucking whoop. Go to the other 13 dozen companies that skirt the line of hentai and ecchi then.

Why even have games resemble whatever they were once they cross the ocean then? What's even the fucking point of buying one system when you might as well buy several to enjoy a game that has been altered for a specific region? Why the fuck is this even a talking point when we're talking about a game built on fanservice of all kinds, and Nintendo is altering fanservice to try and appeal to people that aren't going to buy the fucking game?

Adding tittaliation for the sake of it doesn't help the medium either. And there is no shortage of that despite fear mongering cries saying otherwise.

When the point of the game is arguably grabbing your titties and taking you for a ride, I'd say that's doing nothing to hinder the medium.

 

[Angelblaze]

Ya know I am sick to death of people complaining about this censorship, because I'm 90% sure that most of these people only care about pixalated lady parts. When Bravely Default was coming to the states a lot of forums were complaining about how Agnes' and Edea's costumes were changed, yet Ringabel's was removed and there was hardly a peep about it.

Spoiler

Seriously get off your moral high horse.

Exactly. Where was all this moral justice about freedom of speech when it was Wol? I talk about him alot on these forums and I won't ever stop, because the fact of the matter is that male gamer's want to see boobies/vagina is the actual matter at hand here. Not freedom of speech. So when a male outfit gets censored and toned down, you won't hear dick about it. This isn't about freedom of speech. It's about wank material.

 

[FillerDmon]

The censorship people are weird... like, someone's getting paid to look for things they think Americans won't like and then touching them up a bit? And doing a halfway job of it even?

 

[Dragonbums]

That's the point.

So how does this translate to never look at anything on the internet ever again? Or are you telling me that you literally cannot look at anything online without being upset?

So you're saying the protesters themselves are free advertisement or that they're buying gimped copies?

Basically. Your bringing a lot more attention to a game that most people didn't even care for over a slight alteration that doesn't even harm the game nor affect it.

If I want my Loli and Ecchi games, I know exactly where to find them.

Great. So can we stop yelling at every studio that decides they don't want to be a part of it?

There is a reason why people can't take Nintendo seriously anymore, and this is a part of it.

This? This is the reason people aren't taking Nintendo seriously? Give me a break. There are a lot of legitimate resaons people have posed for why they don't care for Nintendo anymore. And the removal of anime titillation is so bottom of the barrel it might as well be out of it.

You can't take a company seriously that doesn't take you seriously.

Oh, I'm sure they take their customers seriously. They were so serious about this that they had the devs made alternate outfits for different localizations outside of Japan. A company that doesn't give a shit wouldn't put the extra hours and dollars for something like that. Please. Nintendo for the most part takes their products very seriously. Don't sully that by claiming their adamant stance on not going too far with anime pandering means they aren't serious about what they put out.
It's an argument that only holds up among echo chambers.
I'm not a hormonal teenager. I can purchase games that don't rely on jiggly tits and crotch pouches. Don't disrespect how the company wants to present their games by making the false argument that by removing tittilation they are treating you like children. It's a garbage argument. If you are truly the mature adults you are you wouldn't be stamping your feet and screaming at Nintendo doing this. An adult would recognize that this is a company that isn't interested in this nonsense and take your business to the other studios that give you what you want.

Because maybe people wanted a larger selection?

Selection of music? It's a game about Jpop idols. No. they hated it because they don't like JPop. Straight from the commentators mouth.

They kind of wasted a lot of potential, but that's a different argument here.

Pretty bold statement to make seeing as how
1. You never played the game.
2. You were going to dismiss it now anyway because of an altered swimsuit.
3. They went beyond a simple crossover and actually combined the various elements of both games in an attempt to make a unique experience. Anyone can just slap Marth and friends in as main characters and call it a day. Whether that concept failed or not has yet to be seen.

I'm accusing a company of being retarded.

Because your that mad over them altering swimsuit bikinis. This is the definition of pointless arguing.

Just translate the game and we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

That's now what localization is. It's never just a straight translation. It's making altercations to the game to best appease to the markets they are targeting. and I hate to break it to you, weebs on the internet never are and never will be a large enough influence to stop these edits. So you can keep complaining and it will keep happening.

]Are we changing the argument to Nintendo taking fanservice out of a titty game?

The game was never advertised as a titty game. That's all on you.

It got anyone a segment there in the first place?

This would require me to bring up 'she who must not be named' and 'that group' and I'm not going to go farther than that.

Or charging full price for a hackjob.

Oh, so it's a hackjob now? I assume you have already played to game to determine that it's of poor quality? Or does tits really matter that much to you in a videogame that any studio who alters them MUST be backed by an absolute garbage game?

Not like the devs would be listening.

Sweet relief as well. I mean, you just said their game was a piece of shit overcharging their price because they altered female swimsuits.

So, exactly what the protesters set out to accomplish and to show that the company clearly doesn't listen to the audience and wonders why they have bad PR.

They have bad PR with people who ultimately don't matter. Just like all the bad PR over Fire Emblem fates didn't stop the games from selling double the amount from the last installment because the 1k weebs who swore off the games are vastly outnumbered by the hundreds of thousands of people who just enjoy playing games.

They're tuning out basically everyone, which is why no one buys their shit.

A lot of people are buying their shit. Especially on the handheld side.

Or, maybe it's just commonly accepted that males looking jacked is a often desired trait for a character that beats the shit out of things?

A physically fit character isn't a sexually charged character. So this isn't really a rebuttal and only further proved my point.

Why even have games resemble whatever they were once they cross the ocean then? What's even the fucking point of buying one system when you might as well buy several to enjoy a game that has been altered for a specific region? Why the fuck is this even a talking point when we're talking about a game built on fanservice of all kinds, and Nintendo is altering fanservice to try and appeal to people that aren't going to buy the fucking game?

Christ, you really are this mad over swimsuits? Look pal, if you want the 'authentic' experience that bad maybe you can brush up on Japanese and buy yourself a Japanese Nintendo system and enjoy playing the products 'as they should be'. Hey, even go the extra mile and try getting hired at Nintendo of Japan! I mean, so many things get chopped off, deleted, or removed from the game before it even hits store shelves! Or....maybe, chill out? I don't know what to tell you my dude. I enjoyed all those 'horribly censored' videogames just fine as it is.

When the point of the game is arguably grabbing your titties and taking you for a ride, I'd say that's doing nothing to hinder the medium.

Again, I would like to ask where are you getting the impression that this was a titty game? It was marketed as a color splurge of idols, music, and anime. Titties was hardly, if ever the forefront of it's advertisement.


Oh well, I suspect in the coming months gamers will exact their rage on another hapless Nintendo employee who talks a lot on Twitter and get them fired as a result.

 

[Superlative]

...Y'all do realize porn is a thing.

Its free, you can get at it easily. Generally, Persona characters are developed enough to not need to be wank-bate, they have personalities. If all they have done is remove a superfluous bikini shot, you don't need to complain.

Hentai is out there friends, TBs on TBs of free Hentai. Download to your hearts content and save the reductionist complaints about censorship for your C+ high school papers.

 

[infohippie]

The point stands that it's a bunch of pointless changes that does nothing to help the medium.

Its 'localisation' - some things don't fly as well as they do in the west ads they do in Japan. And this is not just 'western prudishness' - to take an example from where your avatar is from, I doubt many westerners would be ok about a romantic subplot about a 12 year old girl falling in love with her adult male teacher, and said teacher returning those feelings.

I would be fine with it, because I can differentiate fiction from reality. A skill that seems to be getting incredibly rare these days.

Although, as a big fan of anime titties myself, I actually rather like the new outfit in the westernised version. It looks cute, and in some ways sexier than the bikini. I still think replacing the bikini with it is dumb, though, because it takes away any reason for the reactions of the other characters in that scene and therefore damages the storytelling.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

...Y'all do realize porn is a thing.

Its free, you can get at it easily. Generally, Persona characters are developed enough to not need to be wank-bate, they have personalities. If all they have done is remove a superfluous bikini shot, you don't need to complain.

Hentai is out there friends, TBs on TBs of free Hentai. Download to your hearts content and save the reductionist complaints about censorship for your C+ high school papers.

Ok, I'm sick of seeing this damn argument tossed every time something like this happens. So let's try and put this somewhat to bed.

The fact of the matter is that what has been specifically changed is not the major problem, only a fraction of it.

The big problems are 1. the reason behind the changes and 2. the terrible job of changes.

1. This is the most common issue: Why the changes happened. Too often does this happen and when we (we being people that care about this) point out the issue, we get shouted down with "Oh, so you don't support the artist's choices" or some variant.

And here's the thing: Were it done because they actually thought it improved the end product? Far fewer would complain. But in cases like this? Where it is clear that it's done out of free of outrage/whatever? That's a problem. Creators shouldn't feel pressure to change for fear of outrage. And honestly, that makes those that DO freak out about it part of the problem.

2. This is more of salt in the wound than anything else. That, at the very least, effort could be put into the changes. Don't pull a 4kids and half-ass it.

 

[Erttheking]

Snip

No, I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the first thing that flew into my head was flawless. That's what happened. I had an idea, I put it down, realized it was a fucking horrible idea and took it out.

This is a real problem people seem to have nowadays. So many people assume that the first draft is sacred, even though any writing class you take will advise you to not be shy when editing.

 

[Erttheking]

Exactly. Where was all this moral justice about freedom of speech when it was Wol? I talk about him alot on these forums and I won't ever stop, because the fact of the matter is that male gamer's want to see boobies/vagina is the actual matter at hand here. Not freedom of speech. So when a male outfit gets censored and toned down, you won't hear dick about it. This isn't about freedom of speech. It's about wank material.

Sounds like you were slacking and did not defend your wank material. Why blame others?

I'm pretty sure the point was to point out hypocrisy, IE, why the hell do you get mad when boobs are taken away, but not sexy man ass. You seem to be dodging the crux of the argument. They're wondering why the heck the people who get defensive about T&A didn't give a shit about him.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

Snip

No, I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the first thing that flew into my head was flawless. That's what happened. I had an idea, I put it down, realized it was a fucking horrible idea and took it out.

This is a real problem people seem to have nowadays. So many people assume that the first draft is sacred, even though any writing class you take will advise you to not be shy when editing.

And while this is certainly a fair point, are we really going to pretend that's the only reason things get changed in media? Are we really going to act like there aren't reasons for changes that aren't in best interests of making a good end product?