Nintendo Failures seem exaggerated

[Something Amyss]

How are they alienating gamers?

You mean other than exactly what I just said?

if I were Nintendo I'd tell the ones who constantly ***** about everything the company does to fuck off since they have constantly bashed Nintendo no matter what they do.

And Nintendo effectively did that. Now they've lost consumer confidence, investor confidence, sales, and stock price. They want the current guard fired and they want smart phone development. See what the "fuck off" attitude gets people?

Also the 3DS disproves your assertion that Nintendo has alienated third parties,if anything Nintendo had basically extended a olive branch to some third party devs only to have it slapped out of their hands when several backed out.

Use of an example of a virtually monopolised market doesn't disprove anything. It means that they get more action because they're almost literally the only game in town.

Also, there really is no need for revisionism. If you like Nintendo, that's fine. But don't pretend anyone was offering an "olive branch" here.

 

[VG_Addict]

How are they alienating gamers?

You mean other than exactly what I just said?

if I were Nintendo I'd tell the ones who constantly ***** about everything the company does to fuck off since they have constantly bashed Nintendo no matter what they do.

And Nintendo effectively did that. Now they've lost consumer confidence, investor confidence, sales, and stock price. They want the current guard fired and they want smart phone development. See what the "fuck off" attitude gets people?

Nintendo will NEVER do smart phones. I don't know why people keep suggesting that. Doing that would cannibalize their handheld sales.

 

[Something Amyss]

OK, I'll bite. How is Miiverse an inferior service?

Have you ever played on a non-Nintendo console?

Because I've been hearing lots of people talk about how great the game looks, including our very own Yahtzee.

Well if Yahtzee likes it, then nobody ever can possibly have a complaint.

SM3DW has sold 655,000 LTD in American so far. People seem to forget that Nintendo's games have legs.

And now you're trying to shift the points away from the ones which are detrimental to your view of Nintendo. Come on, we've been here before.

Nobody's "forgetting" anything here. You're tackling a different argument entirely because ponies.

Nintendo will NEVER do smart phones.

The inanity of saying "NEVER" aside, please point to where I said they would.

I don't know why people keep suggesting that.

Because the shareholders are pushing in that direction and Nintendo is beholden to them?

Doing that would cannibalize their handheld sales.

And?

 

[EvilRoy]

Nintendo doomsayers don't seem to realize that doing (or in this case, saying)the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Wait, so what is it called when Nintendo makes the same decisions over and over to pursue their traditional business practices in the face of decreasing consumer confidence, and steadily dropping stock price.

I'm sitting here matching news stories to stock prices trying to figure out why Nintendo keeps losing me money and 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result' seems to be accountable for most of it. You can claim up and down that this or that 'might' be bad for Nintendo, but what they're doing now IS bad for Nintendo.

 

[VG_Addict]

OK, I'll bite. How is Miiverse an inferior service?

Have you ever played on a non-Nintendo console?

Because I've been hearing lots of people talk about how great the game looks, including our very own Yahtzee.

Well if Yahtzee likes it, then nobody ever can possibly have a complaint.

SM3DW has sold 655,000 LTD in American so far. People seem to forget that Nintendo's games have legs.

And now you're trying to shift the points away from the ones which are detrimental to your view of Nintendo. Come on, we've been here before.

Nobody's "forgetting" anything here. You're tackling a different argument entirely because ponies.

[/qupte]

The inanity of saying "NEVER" aside, please point to where I said they would.

I don't know why people keep suggesting that.

Because the shareholders are pushing in that direction and Nintendo is beholden to them?

Doing that would cannibalize their handheld sales.

And?

I don't have a Wii U, and I didn't use online on the Wii. Can't you just give me a direct answer?

How is saying that SM3DW sold less in America shifting away points?

Nobody said anything about "ponies" (I assume you're referring to the derogatory term for Sony fanboys). Nobody even mentioned Sony.

And? What "and" is needed? That's simple business. Putting their games on mobile would cannibalize their handheld sales. What else do I need to say? I'm saying that it would be a bad idea.

 

[Something Amyss]

Nintendo gave third party devs the chance to develop games for the Wii U and where did that get them?Several devs backing out with bullshit excuses for why they can't develop for the system.

Well, maybe Nintendo should take their ball and go home. And let's see how well that does for them, when less than four months of PS3 sales has almost caught up to the one year head start of the Wii U.

Maybe not designing a console that's a big "screw you" to everyone not Nintendo would have helped, rather than simply "giving them the chance."

And sorry but considering the sales and number of games for the 3DS Nintendo has not lost any consumer confidence,the only thing they lost are some of the hardcore gamers and quitely frankly they don't need a bunch of ingrates who consistently bashed the company for everything.

Well, except sales for even the 3DS are below expectations and have had to be revised down multiple times. Oh, and the loss of stock price. Oh, and actual consumer feedback.

Again, trying to dismiss legitimate concerns is why Nintendo is where they are in the current gen. Why defend it?

 

[Roxas1359]

And?That still does'nt explain why third party devs backed out when the Wii U first launched.By then the system could've sold alot more if the third party devs held their part of the deal.

It's risk versus reward in the industry though, do they risk losing money on a new console for the possibility that they might sell a lot of copies, and if not then they end up out of that money? Reggie even said when they were talking about how petitions don't go into localization things that just because 100,000 people sign something doesn't mean there will be 100,000 sales. It's the same thing on the Wii U in general.

And as for a deal, if they say they are going to do it that doesn't mean they have to or are going to. Verbal promises are not legally binding contracts, and what Nintendo should have done is made actual contracts with the companies and not just gone based on their word because in all industries going based on a verbal promise is about as trustworthy as giving a child candy, telling him not to eat it, and expecting him not to eat it. So when you say "hold up their part of the deal" was there an actual deal, or was there just verbal promises. If there were actual contracts in place, then yes 3rd parties need to legally keep up their part of the deal. If it's verbally word only, they technically don't have to do squat, no matter how much people moan about it.

Sure it'll hurt give them bad PR and hurt their image, but after the slew of bad PR Microsoft has gotten and now they've managed to sell more Xbox Ones than Wii U's in the time frame of it's release (about 3 months) then it shows that bad PR means nothing now.

 

[gorfias]

Sadly, no 2DS figures here. From what I hear, Nintendo portable is doing well. I have heard 3ds was as slow to start as the Wii U, but it picked up.

PS4 has caught up a lot to Wii U with it's 1 year head start. Personally, I got my PS4 this month too. As favored devices, they are neck and neck.

 

[EvilRoy]

Nintendo doomsayers don't seem to realize that doing (or in this case, saying)the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Wait, so what is it called when Nintendo makes the same decisions over and over to pursue their traditional business practices in the face of decreasing consumer confidence, and steadily dropping stock price.

I'm sitting here matching news stories to stock prices trying to figure out why Nintendo keeps losing me money and 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result' seems to be accountable for most of it. You can claim up and down that this or that 'might' be bad for Nintendo, but what they're doing now IS bad for Nintendo.

Well when they try to do something different people ***** and moan so Nintendo can't win either way.

What in recent memory have Nintendo done differently that has attracted people ire? Cause I'm not really finding anything. There was a bump when the first rumors started about Nintendo embracing mobile gaming, and then a dip when they actually released their highly unimpressive plan, but the first reactions have generally been good to them changing.

 

[Roxas1359]

Because I'm sick and tired of all the bashing Nintendo gets.

Well they are always gonna get it, just like Sony, Microsoft, PC gaming, the mobile industry, etc will always get it. The bashing Nintendo gets is not unique to only them. Everyone gets it, and it switches around to who's getting it the most depending on what's doing the worst at that moment. Does no one remember how much shit Microsoft has gotten since the Xbox One launched, or how much shit the PS3 got (especially from NeoGaf which is now apparently a "Sony-biased forum" to people) when they launched.

 

[Roxas1359]

For one they tried to innovate in terms of gameplay with motion controls and touch screens.People bitched about that and called them gimmicks.Funny enough both Micfosoft and Sony ripped Nintendo off with the Kinect and PSMove as well as the touch screen built into the PS4 controller so obviously Nintendo did something right.

And people still hate them even with that. It's not like people are saying how they like the PS Move and Kinect more than the Wiimote or the touch screen on the GamePad. Most of the time motion controls seem to be universally panned because they aren't really as intuitive or precise as how regular button inputs can be. The fact that Sony and Microsoft tried it too are just them trying to jump on a bandwagon which all industries do. Hell I would've hoped Sony learned to not try motion controls after the Six-Axis pretty much failed, and the PS3 launched with that.

 

[EvilRoy]

Nintendo doomsayers don't seem to realize that doing (or in this case, saying)the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Wait, so what is it called when Nintendo makes the same decisions over and over to pursue their traditional business practices in the face of decreasing consumer confidence, and steadily dropping stock price.

I'm sitting here matching news stories to stock prices trying to figure out why Nintendo keeps losing me money and 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result' seems to be accountable for most of it. You can claim up and down that this or that 'might' be bad for Nintendo, but what they're doing now IS bad for Nintendo.

Well when they try to do something different people ***** and moan so Nintendo can't win either way.

What in recent memory have Nintendo done differently that has attracted people ire? Cause I'm not really finding anything. There was a bump when the first rumors started about Nintendo embracing mobile gaming, and then a dip when they actually released their highly unimpressive plan, but the first reactions have generally been good to them changing.

For one they tried to innovate in terms of gameplay with motion controls and touch screens.People bitched about that and called them gimmicks.Funny enough both Micfosoft and Sony ripped Nintendo off with the Kinect and PSMove as well as the touch screen built into the PS4 controller so obviously Nintendo did something right.

On the contrary, the Wii may have caused arguments with the core gaming group - the one that has now lost confidence in Nintendo - but it drove sales and stock prices to new highs by tapping into a new market. Its only recently that Nintendo has felt the sting of a failed innovation, the new market is unimpressed by a tablet more limited than a Galaxy pad, and the core games have chosen not to return.

As to Microsoft and Sony - neither of their peripherals were received well either, except they also failed to tap Nintendo's market.