Nintendo or 4kids, who's worse with censorship?

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themistermanguy

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In the 80s and early 90s, Nintendo was notorious for strict censorship policies. Prohibiting things like Blood, extreme violence, gratouitous sex, religion, or use of alcohol or tobacco. While most of these policies were scrapped with the advent of the ESRB, there's still a rare instance were the company makes a minor change or two so that their games can be playable by kids 14 and under, an important demographic for the company.

But in the anime industry, there was a New York-based children's production company that was not only notorious for extreme censorship, but an example of censorship gone wrong. Although 4kids Entertainment no longer exists, their legacy of heavily edited anime dubs forever live on as a source of humor for anime fans. The problem wasn't just that 4kids censored and edited anime, the problem was that they rarely did it well.

They were pretty much the anime equivalent of an overprotective nanny. Always keeping kids in bubble wrap never letting them get exposed to reality. Most of what 4kids aquired was for kids roughly of upper elementary and middle school age (10-15 years old) in Japan. 4kids, seeing the success of Pokémon, felt it was better to target children younger than that. Thus, the removal of blood, any and all fanservice and innuendo (even if its something relativley harmless), dumbed down, pun-filled dialogue that sounds like it was written by 5 year olds, discarding scenes and even entire episodes that were "unimportant to the main story" (Kids are too stupid to get character development or subplots apparently), And even removing text, Japanese culture, guns, and even the concept of death (kids can't know about these things, they're EEEEEVIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!).

Say what you want about Nintendo's censorship, at least these days, its subtle and rare. While I don't agree with all their changes (censoring Tharja's ass in the Awakening DLC was going a bit too far IMO), Nintendo at least treats 10-14 year olds with respect, and isn't afraid to expose them to things like death, war, sacrifice, mild fanservice (Great Fairy and Zero Suit Samus are examples), and occasionaly, mild blood. So who do you think is worse?
 

Jon Jon

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Ah yes the finger guns of One Piece and Yu-Gi-Oh, I think I'll peg 4Kids to the cross on this on, as bad as Nintendo could be they at least had the dual reasons of market regulation and branding, they needed to maintain the Nintendo friendly brand, and the market was in dire need of a gaming equivilent of the MPAA to monitor that nothing industry hazardous got through the net, sometimes for good sometime for ill. So hail Hiroshi Yamauchi, the farther of gaming as we know it.
 

Mr.Mattress

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Yeah, Nintendo doesn't censor much anything anymore, and the only reason they censored anything at all was because back in the 80's, Video Games where a Kid-Dominated Market, and I'm sure Nintendo didn't want to be labeled as a "Deviant" company for allowing uncensored Violence, Nudity and Naziism to get in the hands of Children (Keep in mind, ESRB didn't exist until the 90's).

So 4Kids is definitely the worse with Censorship.
 

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4kids because they censor a lot.

Nintendo doesn't always do the censoring. Sometimes it's the publishers like 8-4.
 

Roxas1359

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Well the obvious answer is 4Kids. That One Piece dub is the bane of any One Piece fan out there with how much they cut out alone. Hell, the cut out an entire arc that connected into getting Brook as a crew member. I feel that if it kept going they'd of shat themselves when they saw Ivankov and found out one, what his power was, and two, just how over the top he was. Hell they would probably just give up when it came to the Whitebeard War with how much they'd have to censor. Although the anime did censor out Whitebeard's face getting blown off, and just replaced it with part of his amazing mustache getting blown off.

As for Nintendo, even though 4Kids was worse, they were pretty damn bad with the censorship. Worst offender is probably Shin Megami Tensei, or really anything by Atlus. They would be overzealous about censorship more than anything, which hurt their image a lot for people. Hell, for a time 4Kids wasn't as bad as Nintendo used to be, but over time Nintendo of America got competent leadership that would allow things to go through while 4Kids suddenly became the equivalent of a Jehovah's Witness.
 

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Going to go with four kids. The Taros Pokemon E.P is kind of major plot point that isn't shown
 

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Definitely 4kids. At least nintendo had the excuse of "its our stuff we can do what we want with it " 4kids just edited stuff to the point it wouldn't make sense
 

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Well the obvious answer is 4Kids. That One Piece dub is the bane of any One Piece fan out there with how much they cut out alone. Hell, the cut out an entire arc that connected into getting Brook as a crew member. I feel that if it kept going they'd of shat themselves when they saw Ivankov and found out one, what his power was, and two, just how over the top he was. Hell they would probably just give up when it came to the Whitebeard War with how much they'd have to censor. Although the anime did censor out Whitebeard's face getting blown off, and just replaced it with part of his amazing mustache getting blown off.

As for Nintendo, even though 4Kids was worse, they were pretty damn bad with the censorship. Worst offender is probably Shin Megami Tensei, or really anything by Atlus. They would be overzealous about censorship more than anything, which hurt their image a lot for people. Hell, for a time 4Kids wasn't as bad as Nintendo used to be, but over time Nintendo of America got competent leadership that would allow things to go through while 4Kids suddenly became the equivalent of a Jehovah's Witness.
Doesn't the anime also sensor the emblem of the Whitebeard Pirates? I think the english translation does to but I'm not 100%. Also, since I mostly read scans because poor; does the official manga ever call Zoro Zoro rather than fucking Zolo?

OT: 4kids can choke a spiny malboro dick. That One Piece dub is a crime against nature.
 

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4Kids.

Easy answer.

Nintendo's censoring reigns was back in the SNES era. 4Kids has a much longer and more prolific time of censorship.
 

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A lot of people would peg the first uncensored Nintendo release as Mortal Kombat 2, in response to the success of the bloodier Genesis release of MK1. In fact it was a slightly earlier port, Lethal Enforcers, that was Nintendo's first "adult" us release, although it's still less bloody than the arcade version. Nintendo and Sega both pinned Enforcers' runaway arcade success as the basis for a console smash hit, and so both companies got a port of it, complete with custom controllers based on the arcade's. This was just before the advent of any official ratings board (although lots of PC games by this time were using that color-coded rating wheel graphic, remember that?) so Enforcers just came with a big "Warning no kids" stamp on the box.

Of course Lethal Enforcers isn't really a very fun game, and the home releases didn't set the world on fire (although the Enforcer pistol was leaps and bounds better than the menacer or Superscope) but that was more or less the beginning of the end for US Console censorship. Memories, eh?

And 4kids hands down, although early funimation could probably have given them a run for their money.
 

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I would go with 4kids since back then there was no way for me to compared a censor game made by Nintendo while One Piece was also the same time when broadband came around so I notice the differences once read up about it online.
 

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Seeing as people at Nintendo asked Platinum to make Bayonetta 2 even more sexual I'd say Nintendo's censoring days are over. Of course you won't see violence and nudity in Mario Bros or Zelda, but apart from Fire Emblem Awakening in America I haven't heard of Nintendo censoring anything for a while.
 

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lol

4kids is worse, not even a contest on how badly they ruin things. Case in point, One Piece. it was so bad that the owners of the IP REVOKED 4Kids rights to dub it, for 'damaging the brands image' I believe was the reason.

Nintendo on the other hand? I think they're for the most part done save things like Breavely Defualts 'sexy costumes', but that seems to be less 'dumbing it down for the kids' and more 'lets avoid a possible lawsuit.'.(I mean the character models do make them look a lot younger then the actually are)
 

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Lunar Templar said:
lol

4kids is worse, not even a contest on how badly they ruin things. Case in point, One Piece. it was so bad that the owners of the IP REVOKED 4Kids rights to dub it, for 'damaging the brands image' I believe was the reason.
It was, believe me it was. Let's go through a quick list of things that were censored out of the 4Kids version of One Piece shall we. Now I don't remember all of them, but this is what comes into my head.

Buggy was originally kicked in the balls by Nami, but it was changed to his shins
Blood entirely removed
Sanji's cigarette replaced with a lollipop, along with all other references to smoking
Mihawk's sword's hilt was shortened because it "looked like a cross"
Instead of impaling Robin, Crocodile just hit her in the back
Luffy wasn't impaled either, except for the screw up in editing in which the next episode's recap shows him impaled
Luffy's blood being used to hit Crocodile was changed to sweat
Cutting out the entire Reverse Mountain Arc, thus screwing over future events if they somehow kept dubbing when it comes to Brook
Little Garden Arc completely cut out, which creates more plot holes than I can count
Warship Arc cut out, so plot hole about why a ship couldn't enter the Grand Line normally was made
Orchestral scores were removed, and replaced with some synthesizer crap
Name changes for main characters (seriously, they changed Whitebeard's name, Edward Newgate, to Ward Newgate), or more infamously know, Zoro being changed to Zolo and Smoker being changed to "Chaser"
My kid self didn't notice anything wrong, but god damn when I found out all the differences and saw the original anime and read the original manga I saw how bad it was for 4Kids. Not to mention, never forget the intro "rap".
 
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How is this even a question?

4 kids, hands down.

I mean, dear god...Look what they did to One Piece. They made a bad guy hold a punch glove gun thing while threatening a kid. And it looked REDICULOUS.

Yeah, their Pokemon dub was alright for the time, I guess, but still...
 

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I mean, dear god...Look what they did to One Piece. They made a bad guy hold a punch glove gun thing while threatening a kid. And it looked REDICULOUS.
Oh god, I forgot about Helmeppo holding Coby "hostage" with something taken right out of a Disney's House of Mouse cartoon. Funny how they are now both best friends in the Marines. One fun thing I like to do sometimes is think on how 4Kids might have censored later events if they kept doing the dub. :p
 
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Neronium said:
Oh god, I forgot about Helmeppo holding Coby "hostage" with something taken right out of a Disney's House of Mouse cartoon. Funny how they are now both best friends in the Marines. One fun thing I like to do sometimes is think on how 4Kids might have censored later events if they kept doing the dub. :p
How about those slave collars that blow up and kill you if you take them off?

What would 4kids have done about those? :p

"Oh noez, they'll give you a headache if you try to take them off?" Or would they have just skipped that entire arc, you think?
 

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I think 4Kids were the greater evil here. Maniac Mansion was apparently changed up in a huge way but other than that, I don't know how many games were changed on a fundamental level. By Mortal Kombat 2 Nintendo had lightened up a lot after all and, the SNES Castlevania games were (if I remember correctly) far more violent thing European Blood Lines on the Sega.

As for 4Kids, didn't they straight-up change One Piece? That kind of thing has been done before of course, Our Samurai Pizza Cats is completely different to the source material but if I remember right, One Piece was completely butchered. Yu-Gi-Oh was supposedly neutered too...The big thing though, Nintendo never pulled this kind of shit: