Nintendo Too Late To Attract Third-Party Support, Bethesda Says

[xaszatm]

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I didn't mean to sound like Bethseda's games were bad, just that the buggy nature of open-world games (which Bethseda excels at) wouldn't fit with Nintendo's policies. Both companies make great games, but a game made by Bethseda published by Nintendo would have to result in some compromises that the game would end up losing its identity. Of course, that's just my opinion.

So...remind me again why we should care what Bethseda says about the WiiU?

It's not what he said about the Wii U, it's about what he said concerning Nintendo's attitude when it comes to developing a console.

Sony and Microsoft go to developers and work with them to create a console they want to develop for. Nintendo seems to just create whatever they want and trust that their reputation will be enough to encourage third-party support. In the simplest way possible, this is how it went according to Hines:

Sony & MS: "What kind of box would you like?"

Nintendo: "This is our box. This is the box we want your games on. It's a great box, we assure you."

Unlike Sony or Microsoft, Nintendo gets to have much more say in how its console works because that's how they make their games. Nintendo makes a console so they can make the games they want to play. It has enough 1st and 2nd party, not to mention numerous franchises, to not specifically cater to everyone else. While this does isolate them, it does lead the Nintendo having its own identity when it comes to consoles vs the sameness of Sony and Microsoft.

I mean, look at how Nintendo games usually stand out compared to the exclusives from Microsoft and Sony. In fact, for western styled games, its usually "on xbox 360 and PS4". If the PS4 wasn't the JRPG powerhouse I really could confuse the two consoles.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

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So Nintendo is the victim here?

My stars, I've been shown the light and I shall rectify the wrongs I have made by going out and buying a Wii-U.

/sarcasm/

 

[Dragonbums]

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So Nintendo is the victim here?

My stars, I've been shown the light and I shall rectify the wrongs I have made by going out and buying a Wii-U.

/sarcasm/

So nice that that is all you got out of it.

Don't really care because just like the 3DS where everyone said the thing was a sunk ship, the Wii U will rebound back.

 

[josemlopes]

The nintendo fanboy ire on this thread is delicious.

There are only about 4 million Wii Us in existence at this point. Assuming that not all of those owners are going to buy a Bethesda rpg (most have had 3 different console options already to buy them.) They'll sell what, 40,000 copies of a game they have to port to a non stardard control scheme. Sorry idiots, there is no "make nintendo wii u" button on game dev's pc's. It costs a shitload of money and manpower to port a game. More so, Nintendo has acted as if its a privilege to release a game on it console, not consulting with powerful companies on their up upcoming tech specs. Myopic is the word that comes to mind. Isolationist, and business suicide.

Imma stop you right there. Your point would have more clout if it wasn't contradicted by the existence of Oblivion on the 360 within the first year of the console's life. How many 360s were sold in the first year? Only about 5 million, according to every figure I can find. Yet Bethesda felt it was worth porting Oblivion to the 360. Hell, they didn't even feel the need to make a PS3 version until a year or so after the PS3 launched.

In what world is 4 million within a year a terrible sales figure not worth the investment of porting, yet 5 million is suddenly acceptable?

You are still wrong with that since the Xbox 360 was equivelant to a Xbox One or a PS4 now while the Wii U is slightly better then the Gamecube.

What I am saying is that developing for a recently released more powerfull console will garantee a lot of sales since there arent many games to choose from for costumers to buy and they are easy to impress with the new tech (Oblivion at the time could sell just based on the visuals and scope that was unlike anything else).

The Wii U even though next gen really isnt the place to break barriers and earn sales by having the next new shiny game, the Wii U is like the Wii was when the 360 and PS3 launched where even good games sold like shit because they didnt offer what the other consoles could (so why bother) and the target fanbase of that console wasnt interested on them (games like Red Steel 2 and Mad World).

 

[crazygameguy4ever]

It's definitely too late for third party support for the Wii U.. well let's be honest, it's too late for the Wii U console in general.. with it's doing so badly as it is, when the next console generation starts with the PS4 and Xbone launches, people will be saying the wii u is the next dreamcast.. if the dreamcast wasn't as good as it was for the short time it was out..... either way the wii u is going downhill right now and the next console generation will finish it off

 

[MrHide-Patten]

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So Nintendo is the victim here?

My stars, I've been shown the light and I shall rectify the wrongs I have made by going out and buying a Wii-U.

/sarcasm/

So nice that that is all you got out of it.

Don't really care because just like the 3DS where everyone said the thing was a sunk ship, the Wii U will rebound back.

Not saying that it won't, the Wii sold gangbusters on it's motion control gimmick. The whole tablet thing is a harder sell, considering that it's harder to show casual through sitcoms and ads, and it doesn't have the Wii-Sports that practically sold tenfold more than any other Nintendo game I'd wager.

Once the major titles comes out like a new Zelda or a true Mario game in the same vain as Sunshine or Galaxy, then there'd be a big spike in unit sales from the core and younger fans. I expect a similar spike to occur when Infamous Second Son is released next year as well.

 

[rob_simple]

So, Bethesda, makers of the most bug-ridden, glitchy console games this generation, don't want to hop into bed with Nintendo?

All hope is lost.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Another reason not to buy a Wii U I suppose. Unless Nintendo pulls out something better then their first-party titles they aren't getting my buy.

 

[Lyri]

Let me translate this guy's entire statement:

"Microsoft and Sony paid us millions to cozy up with them. We approached Nintendo, but they didn't want to play the game our way, so we froze them out and ignored them. Period."

All about the Benjamins, guys. That is the ONLY reason these decisions are made.

101.

Well shit, Nintendo's screwed now. They were betting it all on Bethesda. Without Bethesda's support I really don't see how Nintendo will survive. It's a shame too, because I bought my Wii U hoping to play lots of great Bethesda games on it.

All joking aside, Bethesda shouldn't make games for Nintendo, they shouldn't make games for consoles period. Their games are borderline broken when played vanilla.

Are you harping on about the PS3 issue caused by the specs of the console and not the game itself?
Those broken games?
Hur hur.

Also, since when did Bethesda ever give a rat's ass about Nintendo anyway?

You're the first example I found but by no means the only one.
Nobody is asking why, which is really stupid, sad and ignorant. I'm pretty sure Bethesda would love to get on board with Nintendo, yet Nintendo won't reach out and help third party developers and publishers do that.
It is a pretty honest opinion by someone who knows that seems to have angered the neckbeards who know next to nothing about the industry.

 

[Klumpfot]

Has Bethesda ever made a Nintendo game? If they have, I imagine it was only once and never again; probably due to Nintendo actually putting effort into QA, something Bethesda doesn't see eye to eye with.

The Wii games had the lowest Metacritic average scores of the last generation. Don't be so quick to praise their quality assurance. Metacritic scores aren't everything, but it is an indication, isn't it?

Regarding the topic, Nintendo's consoles have generally most or all had their 'killer apps' be first-party titles. Perhaps that's why they have a different attitude regarding third-party development.

 

[The White Hunter]

for all of their talking and planning, the other bethesda console games barely pulled their shit together anyway, so I think maybe it's not all nintendo's fault

Wellt his is the guy that said they put extra care and attention to the PS3 and 360 versions of Skyrim to make sure it was an optimum experience and look how that turnedo ut.

 

[xPixelatedx]

So...remind me again why we should care what Bethseda says about the WiiU?

Yeah, I was about to say. Mainly because what devs say isn't worth a speck of shit today. Everyone was all on board the wiiU train when it launched, then immediately bailed. Some have already even backpedaled on that, like EA. These people go the direction their superiors tell them, and they go the direction the money is flowing at the time.

The PS3 went YEARS without good third party support (remember the NOGAMES meme? lol), and passing the middle mark, managed to play catch-up the rest of the gen. All these devs talking crap about the wiiU only makes them look just as stupid as they did when they were praising it excessively before it's launch.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Don't really care because just like the 3DS where everyone said the thing was a sunk ship, the Wii U will rebound back.

People don't actually think the wiiU is sinking, I don't believe anyone is actually that stupid. Mario Kart wii sold better then some CoD games, and Mario Kart 8 is on it's way. Not to mention the only game I still see talked about after E3 is Smash brothers; nothing else.
Everyone is just getting their frustrations out at Nintendo while they have this open window to do so, just like they did with the 3DS. The moment Nintendo stumbled with the 3DS, they were attacked from all sides by disgruntled fans and their regular opposition; who's voices previously couldn't be heard over the piles of wii money drowning Nintendo corporate offices. Then when the 3DS did a 180, everyone was mad and disgruntled. So now we have extra bitter people with even more grievances they need to vent. Just let them do it, it makes them feel better.

 

[stiffy]

In what world is 4 million within a year a terrible sales figure not worth the investment of porting, yet 5 million is suddenly acceptable?

In Nintendo's world. Their internal sales predictions for this year are less than half of what they projected. At this point it is actually 3.6million (i added 400000 they might sell at xmas to be nice).

"(Reuters) - Nintendo Co said on Wednesday (7-31-13) it has kept its Wii U game machine sales forecast for the year through March 2014 unchanged at 9 million consoles, although sales during the April-June first quarter were a modest 160,000 machines."

Also I believe Oblivion was launched on 360 and sold well(couldn't find #s). You can be sure MS told Bethesda the 360 tech specs before launch and the game was made specifically for that hardware. The result is a win/win for both console maker and game designers......$$$$$$$$$$$$

I don't hate Nintendo or the fanboys. What i dont get is this allegiance to Nintendo that resembles that of an abused spouse, trying to rationalize each sh++ty transgression.

 

[zefichan]

Shantae.

Sorry, Bethesda, but you're wrong. Bethesda really seems to hate Nintendo for some reason.

 

[stiffy]

How many 360s were sold in the first year? Only about 5 million, according to every figure I can find.

"only" 5 million in a year is almost TRIPLE what the Wii U is selling on monthly basis. If Nintendo TRIPLED their sales, every dev in the game would jump up and beg Nintendo to make a game on the Wii U.

As I said in my first post, each of you abused Nintendo spouses needs to buy 30,000 of your friends a WiiU for xmas this year, or it'll only be Nintendo made games (which is what you want anyway.) Stop whinging at Pete Hines.

 

[Olas]

Are you harping on about the PS3 issue caused by the specs of the console and not the game itself?
Those broken games?
Hur hur.

No, I don't even own a PS3, I'm talking about their PC games, where enemies and NPCs randomly start contorting their limbs in impossible ways or flying through the air for no reason. Then there's the times when games just crash for no reason, or suddenly have their textures swapped so that characters look green.

I get the sense that Bethesda doesn't spend much time testing their games for glitches and the like.

 

[Quadocky]

It probably means nothing coming from this Random Gamer number 23 but I have been very disenchanted with Bethesda. While the world detail in their games is amazing... everything else is just awful and hollow to the point of being depressing. A single round of Killing Floor has a better narrative design than any modern game Bethesda has made.

And honestly ANY complaint about the Wii U only stems from ONE thing. Laziness on part of developers along with sheer desire to make money. Nobody is going to make games for the Wii U because Nobody owns a Wii U. Considering game development is INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE developers can only safely make games for consoles that are heavily adopted and vibrant in terms of userbase.

And so far from the sound of it, the pre-orders for the PS4 is going to become THE platform for video games.

The Wii U could rebound back. Super Smash Brothers is a hardware seller.

 

[Atmos Duality]

My personal beef with Bethesda aside, it seems that for once Pete Hines isn't talking out of his hiney-hole.