I don't get it either-but then, I never understood cheat codes that make you invincible or furnish you with infinite ammo, either- it's harmless enough to throw the option in for sprogs or people with the hand-eye coordination of a drunk epileptic manitee I suppose-the rest of us can just ignore it. Having said that, I think giving players the option to choose the level of difficulty and even adjust it mid-game is a far more elegant solution to the problem of differing player skills as you get to play the game through in its entirity, which is sort of the point of gaming.
Nintendo's Sercet Patent Is Finally Revealed...
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You've never heard of pinch hitting?squid5580 said:
You're a very uncommon parent, then. Something tells me the casual crowd this is aimed at aren't the type to force their children to sit down and play a video game until they get it right. You, on the other hand, are free to punish your child if they have the audacity to use this option. Nintendo doesn't have that authority, nor can they take the direct route and force more parents to get involved with gaming and children to spend time mastering them.
The whole debate seems to be on accessibility versus...whatever the heck the hardcore gamers are arguing. Exclusivity?
*looks at responses to topic* ...*eye-twitch*
You do realize that this is designed to help new gamers to learn the mechanics of new games that old schoolers know but newbie don't, right? A new crop of casual gamers has no idea how to play more involved games then basic games like wii sports or bejewled. They are completely alien to gaming culture and inside secrets (glowing things are always import for example). No matter how smart you are if a game is using a feature (like grinding in an RPG) that new gamers have never encountered before then they are never going to get it. This lets them get it. Now with enough time they would get it, but for new gamers that are just taking tentative baby steps forward any amount of frustration from arcane game tactics could prove disastrous and a lost of a potential gamer (customer in Nintendo's case). This new idea is a bridge between casual and hardcore. A path to learn the skills to advance to more in-depth games.
If you honestly think that Nintendo made this for you, someone involved enough in games to visit a gaming website's forum, then you are a complete idiot and troll and need to realize that Nintedo's business model does not revolve around you (The X-Box's and PS3's models do that quiet nicely). Nintendo is making a point of expanding there audience to everyone (especially current non-gamers). They hooked them with simple casual games, now they're realing them in with this mechanic and then they'll snag them with more complex games. A lot of commenters have egos too big to see the bigger picture and get this, but I do and I support this venture because, although it does not help me, it helps to expand and improve the community of and culture of gaming. [/wall of text][/anger]
You do realize that this is designed to help new gamers to learn the mechanics of new games that old schoolers know but newbie don't, right? A new crop of casual gamers has no idea how to play more involved games then basic games like wii sports or bejewled. They are completely alien to gaming culture and inside secrets (glowing things are always import for example). No matter how smart you are if a game is using a feature (like grinding in an RPG) that new gamers have never encountered before then they are never going to get it. This lets them get it. Now with enough time they would get it, but for new gamers that are just taking tentative baby steps forward any amount of frustration from arcane game tactics could prove disastrous and a lost of a potential gamer (customer in Nintendo's case). This new idea is a bridge between casual and hardcore. A path to learn the skills to advance to more in-depth games.
If you honestly think that Nintendo made this for you, someone involved enough in games to visit a gaming website's forum, then you are a complete idiot and troll and need to realize that Nintedo's business model does not revolve around you (The X-Box's and PS3's models do that quiet nicely). Nintendo is making a point of expanding there audience to everyone (especially current non-gamers). They hooked them with simple casual games, now they're realing them in with this mechanic and then they'll snag them with more complex games. A lot of commenters have egos too big to see the bigger picture and get this, but I do and I support this venture because, although it does not help me, it helps to expand and improve the community of and culture of gaming. [/wall of text][/anger]
I don't think this is the big, horrible, Nintendo-you-are-dead-to-me, crush-the-genitals-of-all-who-disagree deal that y'all are making this out to be. Yes, the game plays a hard part for you you can't get through if you tell it to and it stops when you tell it to. That puts it one up on when I asked a friend of mine how I was supposed to kill this one boss who was kicking my ass on FF4 for DS and he responded by taking the DS out of my hands and killing it for me and not showing or telling me what he had done so I could try it myself.
I really don't see how this is much different from asking a friend to help or finding a video walkthrough, other than it would be a lot faster.
I really don't see how this is much different from asking a friend to help or finding a video walkthrough, other than it would be a lot faster.
STFU NOOB you just aint hardcore enuff I bet you like Croc you vile wretch your just jealous cos I'm hella good at games and you aint if you dont play games 27 hours a day your essentially nothing your opinions should be stricken from the record and old ladies with cat food breath should spit in your face and you use punctuation I bet you read and stuff instead of sharpening your sniping skills you fag I teabag your corpse what I just shot cos I'm great...NeutralDrow said:
Apparently, there is a sub-section of gamers below 'casual', known as 'fucking retarded'.
Agreed.atol said:
I realize this is going to fly over the heads of many, but my conscience will not let me rest until I say it.
I've seen many arguments of the loss of interactivity such a feature espouses. Disparaging comparisons to films have been made. All seem to have the rallying cry of "games aren't fun if you don't play them!" To this, I have one thing to say.
No s***.
Geez, I'm not one to turn to for faith in my fellow man, but even I can't see anyone taking the strawman route and using this to play the game for them. Rich as it is coming from me, people aren't idiots. Sure, they can use the thing to play the game for them, but why would they? All it would take for a child is one playthrough to realize "hey, it's more fun when I do it." And there's nothing preventing them from doing so.
For everyone who realizes without experience that it's more fun to play the game themselves, there's now an option to get past the parts they lack both the skill to get past and the time available to acquire the needed skill. As someone who's set down Devil May Cry 3 for two months out of sheer frustration (that Damned Chess Board in DMD difficulty), I can sympathize with such. Yes, patience is a virtue, but for what is, fundamentally, an entertainment medium, not everyone is, nor should be, forced into acquiring the patience to master a game...because that simply doesn't work. Most will simply stop, leaving only the ones with the time, effort, and talent to play something, astride their high horse.
To (temporarily, I'm sure) conclude, there's more satisfaction in performing a task for one's self. There's no satsifaction in banging your head against a wall because circumstances work against your learning to climb.
I've seen many arguments of the loss of interactivity such a feature espouses. Disparaging comparisons to films have been made. All seem to have the rallying cry of "games aren't fun if you don't play them!" To this, I have one thing to say.
No s***.
Geez, I'm not one to turn to for faith in my fellow man, but even I can't see anyone taking the strawman route and using this to play the game for them. Rich as it is coming from me, people aren't idiots. Sure, they can use the thing to play the game for them, but why would they? All it would take for a child is one playthrough to realize "hey, it's more fun when I do it." And there's nothing preventing them from doing so.
For everyone who realizes without experience that it's more fun to play the game themselves, there's now an option to get past the parts they lack both the skill to get past and the time available to acquire the needed skill. As someone who's set down Devil May Cry 3 for two months out of sheer frustration (that Damned Chess Board in DMD difficulty), I can sympathize with such. Yes, patience is a virtue, but for what is, fundamentally, an entertainment medium, not everyone is, nor should be, forced into acquiring the patience to master a game...because that simply doesn't work. Most will simply stop, leaving only the ones with the time, effort, and talent to play something, astride their high horse.
To (temporarily, I'm sure) conclude, there's more satisfaction in performing a task for one's self. There's no satsifaction in banging your head against a wall because circumstances work against your learning to climb.
Glass houses.Gaming_Purist said:
We've tried. It's probably not going to work. I applaud your contributed efforts, though.Twilight_guy said:
I'll be honest, I hate this idea, but where the hell was this when Starfox Adventures came out with that stupid dinosaur "strength test" (repeatedly mashing A, which I could never do fast enough)? And although I would never use this in most circumstances, I do think this could maybe have some use for negating those increasingly popular QTEs. Two negatives make a positive, right?
This is Nintendo hinting that they are trying stray away from video games and start getting into making very unique movies...
At least the feature is optional though. All it will really come out to is making beating the game without using it more of an accomplishment.
At least the feature is optional though. All it will really come out to is making beating the game without using it more of an accomplishment.
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SecretTacoNinja said:
As I said in a previous post. Alone in the Dark had a similar feature that didn't force you to use it. Calm down you emo gamers. No need to slit your wrists over an In-game walk through. Think of it this way, You know when retailers have a sale when you buy the game, get the glide for free or 50%, Well, it's free for good.NeutralDrow said:
Completing the main quest on a mario game is easy (sometimes) but some of that extra stuff is really hard to get to. Especially in New Super Mario Bros. where you either had to survive half a level being tine or hope to dear God you can find one in the overworld.
I, personally heard about this way the hell back in February when it was known only as "digest" and started a thread back then [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.89028#1378470], too. I first heard about it in Moviebob's Game Overthinker episode on YouTube [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHu8D2oPic&feature=channel_page]
This topic has been post after post of self-titled "hardcore gamer" jumping on (and completely overexagerating) the newest reason to wail at nintendo for being casual (thus afirming how true gamers they are), with a few level-headed people in between pointing out how it's optional and not such big a deal. It was a bit depressing to read.
Most people who are complaining about this don't really remember what it is to play videogames as a young kid, or at least one who is completely new to videogames. If the game is of a difficulty such that they have to use the feature all the time, people will naturally drop the game; it's quite obvious this is meant for the occasional "Oh that's how I was supposed to do it" moment or such things.
Most people who are complaining about this don't really remember what it is to play videogames as a young kid, or at least one who is completely new to videogames. If the game is of a difficulty such that they have to use the feature all the time, people will naturally drop the game; it's quite obvious this is meant for the occasional "Oh that's how I was supposed to do it" moment or such things.