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ChromeAlchemist

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theultimateend said:
Except that the only constant in the last 3-5 years of gaming is that the quality is tanking so I'd say unless our sun turns purple one should reasonably expect this new change to be used improperly.
If game quality tanks, then the point of this function would be moot, and if the next Zelda game is half-assed because of this, I would be confused. I can't really see this being used improperly, you make the game, then you implement the function with pre-made videos for progression, Midway couldn't fuck that up. If this affects game quality, I could see it being for the better as the developers aren't trying to keep everyone happy game design wise, the function can do that. And if the game quality continues to drop then it wouldn't be the fault of this function.
 

Shamus Young

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YurdleTheTurtle said:
I suppose some of us forgot that this is entirely optional too.
No one forgot, everyone ignored it for the sake of complaint and argument.
Actually, the important thing here is that if Nintendo is embracing the demo mode, then they aren't embracing any of the far better and more reasonable methods suggested in the article or in the comments above.

It's not about this bad option we're getting, it's about the much better options we're NOT getting.
 

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Didn't they already do this with one of the Mario games?

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that Nintendo were allowed to PATENT A.I controlled gameplay.
I mean, seriously, what the hell is wrong with patent offices?

I am surprised Nintendo hasn't noticed that having a game played for you is like someone going "sex is great, here let me show you" and then they bang everyone until they go home and you only got to watch, the person turning to you and say "wasn't that great".

You only seem to get dumber, Nintendo...
 

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Shamus Young said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
YurdleTheTurtle said:
I suppose some of us forgot that this is entirely optional too.
No one forgot, everyone ignored it for the sake of complaint and argument.
Actually, the important thing here is that if Nintendo is embracing the demo mode, then they aren't embracing any of the far better and more reasonable methods suggested in the article or in the comments above.

It's not about this bad option we're getting, it's about the much better options we're NOT getting.
And the Patent abusing, don't forget that. I am not going to get over this for a long while, if ever, there is no focking reason for Nintendo to patent something so simple that you could probably make it within the game in a few weeks of in and out development!!
 

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Nintendo IS the way to help people become gamers...just not with their new stuff. I became a gamer through the NES and SEGA Genesis. N64 honed myself to becoming a hardcore gamer.
 

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Wow... Just Wow...
So all you elitist wankers are sincerely stating a belief that fun should be something you earn?
So because I couldn't beat the big bosses in Spyro when I was a kid, I shouldn't have been permitted to experience and enjoy the rest of the game?

I'm not a casual gamer, I'm not a hardcore gamer either. I'm a gamer, I like to pick up a game and play it. I'm not embarrassed to say that I suck at games, I frequently find myself looking at walkthroughs and my statement about the bosses in Spyro had a degree of truth to it (don't worry, I beat them easily now).

This function is for people who don't enjoy trying again and again to get past a puzzle they just can't figure out, to beat a boss they can't find the weakness of. If those of us who have these problems don't have this new idea from Nintendo to help us, then we'll just go to GameFAQs or get a friend to hep us through it. This isn't the big deal you are making it out to be.

This isn't going to affect the population of the L337 hardcore gamers, because someone who does have the time and inclination to beat a game purely on their own merit would not use this function.

Gaming is about fun people, not achievement, regardless of whether you beat a game 99% on your own or 100% with a walkthrough you've ultimately achieved nothing worthwhile. Don't get me wrong, you will have had fun doing it, and that's important, but unless you are paid to play games (and I know it does happen) you havn't done anything significant, you've just passed time in a way that you found enjoyable.

So you get enjoyment out of being able to beat something without help? Well others of us just want to play the game, when something interferes with our ability to do so sometimes we just want it out of the way so we can carry on having fun. I personally don't find fighting the same boss over and over and over etc. an enjoyable experience, so I am the kind of person this is aimed at (though I must say I'll probably stick to walthroughs so it's at least partially my work).

TL;DR
We don't ***** about the way you want to play games, try showing us the same respect.
 

Stabby Joe

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If its a patent Nintendo are trying to get then at least the real game systems won't be having this.
 

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Shamus, you're looking at this from the gamers perspective, not the Nintendo business perspective. They want people to complete games, and get through them so that they buy more games. If kids tell their parents, "mom I beat that game! I need a new one" more often, then their sales will go up. And I can't blame them, most of their target audience is either young or inexperienced gamers. (that might be a myth, but you get my point)

I remember when I used to babysit for kids across the street when I was 15, and they just could not figure out some of the simplest things on the N64. I swear, simple patterns like, dodge-dodge-attack (repeat), were beyond their grasp. Sure, they could have been exceptionally stupid between the ages of 7-10, but there still have to be many other kids out there like them. This "demo" feature will help people like them advance the game, but like you said, they won't learn anything from it. It's like the old maxim, "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat fish the rest of his life."

The ethics of gaming will be diminished, but I hardly see this as a threat to gaming itself. Every time a gamer looks up a strategy on a boss fight, reads a Prima guide, or looks up how to complete a maze/puzzle, they are doing nearly the same thing. They give up on figuring it out for themselves, and move on with it. To some extent, this isn't that bad, but it does (in my humble opinion) detract from their achievement in completing the game.
 

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mattttherman3 said:
So, apparently using cheats, like infinite lives and invincibility, are not enough for a game you can't beat on your own? This is just another reason for me not to buy a Nintendo Wii, even though they have only patented this demo mode. Practice doesn't make perfect, but it makes better.
If you had actually done some research before forming an idiotic opinion, you'd realize that first-party Nintendo games never have cheat codes.

Stabby Joe said:
If its a patent Nintendo are trying to get then at least the real game systems won't be having this.
Both the Wii and DS are real systems, and people like them. Calling them "not real gaming systems" and bashing them in general is just an infantile way of complaining that the systems you bought aren't doing well.

"Waaaaah! Nintendo's doing better than the people I bought from! It's not supposed to work like that! My systems are still better!"

Grow the fuck up.
 

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fletch_talon said:
Wow... Just Wow...
So all you elitist wankers are sincerely stating a belief that fun should be something you earn?
So because I couldn't beat the big bosses in Spyro when I was a kid, I shouldn't have been permitted to experience and enjoy the rest of the game?

I'm not a casual gamer, I'm not a hardcore gamer either. I'm a gamer, I like to pick up a game and play it. I'm not embarrassed to say that I suck at games, I frequently find myself looking at walkthroughs and my statement about the bosses in Spyro had a degree of truth to it (don't worry, I beat them easily now).

This function is for people who don't enjoy trying again and again to get past a puzzle they just can't figure out, to beat a boss they can't find the weakness of. If those of us who have these problems don't have this new idea from Nintendo to help us, then we'll just go to GameFAQs or get a friend to hep us through it. This isn't the big deal you are making it out to be.

This isn't going to affect the population of the L337 hardcore gamers, because someone who does have the time and inclination to beat a game purely on their own merit would not use this function.

Gaming is about fun people, not achievement, regardless of whether you beat a game 99% on your own or 100% with a walkthrough you've ultimately achieved nothing worthwhile. Don't get me wrong, you will have had fun doing it, and that's important, but unless you are paid to play games (and I know it does happen) you havn't done anything significant, you've just passed time in a way that you found enjoyable.

So you get enjoyment out of being able to beat something without help? Well others of us just want to play the game, when something interferes with our ability to do so sometimes we just want it out of the way so we can carry on having fun. I personally don't find fighting the same boss over and over and over etc. an enjoyable experience, so I am the kind of person this is aimed at (though I must say I'll probably stick to walthroughs so it's at least partially my work).

TL;DR
We don't ***** about the way you want to play games, try showing us the same respect.
well since the fact is that the publishers now days suck the dick of casual gamers (i am looking at you nintendont) it makes it harder and harder for us its a fact in nature when 1 species becomes dominat the others die off or become there *****
 

itsmeyouidiot

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I find it hilarious that so many people are complaining about this, when the reality is, they don't have to use this feature.

And many of these people use cheats regularly and visit GameFAQs like there's no tommorow.
 

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ChromeAlchemist said:
theultimateend said:
Except that the only constant in the last 3-5 years of gaming is that the quality is tanking so I'd say unless our sun turns purple one should reasonably expect this new change to be used improperly.
If game quality tanks, then the point of this function would be moot, and if the next Zelda game is half-assed because of this, I would be confused. I can't really see this being used improperly, you make the game, then you implement the function with pre-made videos for progression, Midway couldn't fuck that up. If this affects game quality, I could see it being for the better as the developers aren't trying to keep everyone happy game design wise, the function can do that. And if the game quality continues to drop then it wouldn't be the fault of this function.
Pretty sure I never once accused the product itself of being the reason that it won't be used properly.

But I suppose you needed some reason to get up on that soap box.

Glad to oblige.
 

ChromeAlchemist

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theultimateend said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
theultimateend said:
Except that the only constant in the last 3-5 years of gaming is that the quality is tanking so I'd say unless our sun turns purple one should reasonably expect this new change to be used improperly.
If game quality tanks, then the point of this function would be moot, and if the next Zelda game is half-assed because of this, I would be confused. I can't really see this being used improperly, you make the game, then you implement the function with pre-made videos for progression, Midway couldn't fuck that up. If this affects game quality, I could see it being for the better as the developers aren't trying to keep everyone happy game design wise, the function can do that. And if the game quality continues to drop then it wouldn't be the fault of this function.
Pretty sure I never once accused the product itself of being the reason that it won't be used properly.

But I suppose you needed some reason to get up on that soap box.

Glad to oblige.
Thanks, glad you were happy to help.
 
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Well could do that or we could be not be fucking stupid and just bring back cheats and have an EZ mode that turns some games into Prince of Persia remake. There you go problem solved.