No Backwards Compatibility - One of the many signs of industry greed?
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They saw a lovely freeware program called "DOSBox" and said "Well, that's that settled."OutrageousEmu said:
No Backwards compatability: A sign of games moving onwards.
If everything was backwards compatible, Gamecube and Wii would require cartridge slots, PC's would require Floppy and belt code support. Being backwards compatible is not necessarily easy, and is not necessarily simple. And to dress it up as greed just smacks of ignorance. If you've made a new platform, you make stuff for it. If people want to play the old stuff: Use the Old Platform. You aren't entitled to anything. If they want to make and sell things you aren't happy with, vote with your wallet. If you don't like endless remakes and resellings, congratulations. Neither do I. But you don't have to buy them either.
At the end of the day, if you don't like something, you don't have to buy it. And being greedy isn't a bad thing for a corporation: They exist to make money. They do so by making products that people will buy. That's capitalism. In a free market, where demand exists, a supply will soon follow. People want these games and are willing to pay for them. If you don't, you don't have to buy them. It's really a simple problem.
If everything was backwards compatible, Gamecube and Wii would require cartridge slots, PC's would require Floppy and belt code support. Being backwards compatible is not necessarily easy, and is not necessarily simple. And to dress it up as greed just smacks of ignorance. If you've made a new platform, you make stuff for it. If people want to play the old stuff: Use the Old Platform. You aren't entitled to anything. If they want to make and sell things you aren't happy with, vote with your wallet. If you don't like endless remakes and resellings, congratulations. Neither do I. But you don't have to buy them either.
At the end of the day, if you don't like something, you don't have to buy it. And being greedy isn't a bad thing for a corporation: They exist to make money. They do so by making products that people will buy. That's capitalism. In a free market, where demand exists, a supply will soon follow. People want these games and are willing to pay for them. If you don't, you don't have to buy them. It's really a simple problem.
I know right? I'm so angry my CD player doesn't play cassettes, they are just being greedy!
It's not like they are going out of their way to keep backwards compatibility from you. The software is completely different between some generations, particularly with this one. It's difficult getting it to work for every game. When it's simple, they put it in, which is why your PS3 can play PS1 games, despite them selling remakes and such for the PSP. It's just not as simple making it play PS2 games.
What does it matter though? If you've got PS2 games, you more than likely already have a PS2, so just play the game on that. I plug my PS2 in when it's needed the same way I hook up the N64 when I want to play Star Fox instead of bitching that the Wii can't run it. I suppose some people bought a PS3 but not a PS2, but then why would you have PS2 games instead of just buying the remake online? Still doesn't make sense.
It's not like they are going out of their way to keep backwards compatibility from you. The software is completely different between some generations, particularly with this one. It's difficult getting it to work for every game. When it's simple, they put it in, which is why your PS3 can play PS1 games, despite them selling remakes and such for the PSP. It's just not as simple making it play PS2 games.
What does it matter though? If you've got PS2 games, you more than likely already have a PS2, so just play the game on that. I plug my PS2 in when it's needed the same way I hook up the N64 when I want to play Star Fox instead of bitching that the Wii can't run it. I suppose some people bought a PS3 but not a PS2, but then why would you have PS2 games instead of just buying the remake online? Still doesn't make sense.
._. My 360 has backwards compatibility with some games...
Anyway, as other uses have pointed out, business's exist solely to make a profit. That's all Microsoft cares about, that's all Sony cares about and that's all Nintendo cares about. Take this what you will, but they don't really give two shits about your backwards compatibility problem when you've bought the console. Why would they want you playing old games, not giving them much of a profit when they could remove the functionality, forcing you to buy it on the marketplace/store and give them a bigger return.
Just my two cents.
Anyway, as other uses have pointed out, business's exist solely to make a profit. That's all Microsoft cares about, that's all Sony cares about and that's all Nintendo cares about. Take this what you will, but they don't really give two shits about your backwards compatibility problem when you've bought the console. Why would they want you playing old games, not giving them much of a profit when they could remove the functionality, forcing you to buy it on the marketplace/store and give them a bigger return.
Just my two cents.
Damn companies for not making their items backwards compatible. How am I supposed to play my records when they refuse to fit into my CD player, and my mp3 player as nowhere I can shove a cassette in. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
the only time this has ever really bothered me was with dynasty warriors 5. I loved that game, It was the game in the xbox when it finally died...
of course i put it in the 360 but it didn't work. I've since bought 6 but its still not the same. I wish it was backwards compatiple but you cant have everything
of course i put it in the 360 but it didn't work. I've since bought 6 but its still not the same. I wish it was backwards compatiple but you cant have everything
I specifically snatched up a backwards compatible PS3 because my PS2 has definately seen better days. Xbox 360? I miss the ability to import my own music into games more than I want backwards compatibility.
Dunno. Never used Vista. My DosBox emulator works fine in Win7 though.OutrageousEmu said:
There is the occasional Win95 game that you have to do a bit of fiddling to get working but there's nothing to stop you from doing that.
I can play games from 25 years ago on my PC.
Don't get me wrong; I love consolesbut there are games that are locked in time that I can't go back to because the systems are dead. Goldeneye64,.. or Bushido Blade,.. or Power Stone! (Anyone remember Power Stone for Dreamcast?)
Weird, I haven't noticed this backwards compatibility issue. Oh wait, I use a PC! Silly me! Seriously though, it does indeed suck. I wonder if its because all they do nowadays is remake old titles and if it was backwards compatible, you could just play the old versions instead!
I totally agree, it is the main reason I was so disapointed with the PS3 when I got it. Such an unnecessary money grab.Racecarlock said:
Actually I am fairly sure I remember a news post a year(maybe a lot more) or so ago on here that said they starting making money off PS3s. I do mean the hardware here.Kopikatsu said:
*loads flamethrower*teebeeohh said:
And I think you're actually right.
Dispite the not so serious note, you do make a good point.
At least the PC has no issues with backwards compatability (unless you want to play Dungeon Keeper II on your Windows 7... But even that can be rerouted with a little nudging.)
What we can say about it is: "Should have kept your old consoles."
I'm fairly sure there are ways to play those things still. Probably something with 'Run in compatability mode' in the games properties. Like Dungeon Keeper II for example.Spoon E11 said:
Sure you have to knock around some things but it works in the end. It just takes alot of effort
Actually the later versions took out the Emotion Engine (which until that point had been used for the PS2 emulation) but left in the "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU, which is what made the backwards compatibility possible (i.e. no it was not purely software based). Just having the graphics synthesiser reduced the amount of compatibility the system had in the first place. It's also what they took out when they wanted to reduce the size and costs of the PS3 by removing BC.fenrizz said:
Not so much greed as Laziness and Forced Obsolescence.
This was being taught in most business classes during the Yuppie era. (late 80s)
This was being taught in most business classes during the Yuppie era. (late 80s)