No Game ever deserves 10/10... Do you agree?

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mjhhiv

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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
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I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but I really like giving letter grades instead of points, a la EGM. I've written English essays which had a few faults in them, but still got an A+; I think that an A+ is a measure of quality while a 10/10 is just an ideal. Plenty of games deserve an A+ that are by no means perfect.
Ah, I always preferred letter scores (like some certain movie review sites I look at) but I never realized why until you said that lol. Numbers, are surprisingly vague.
I'm not sure I follow you... Letter grades are just based on numbers out of 100, so how is it any different? It's just less specific by a few points, with the exception of an A+. An A+ is always 100/100 or 10/10.
 

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Mirika_the_warrior said:
no game deserves a perfect score unless there is absolutely no flaw with it, and everything is inherently flawed
Once again with feelings: If I take a math test, consisting of 10 questions, I answer all question correctly. I have answered the test perfectly, I get a perfect score. Indeed, I am myself a perfect incarnation of the one who sits at the right of the throne for I am perfection upon the world!

Or in other words stop with this "Nothing is Perfect!" nonsense.
 

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Half Life 2 Justifiably deserves (and received one) 11/10. But that's just from one site; Jesus is the only one who deserves 10/10. Correction: 73.14159.../10
 

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mjhhiv said:
ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Gishface said:
I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but I really like giving letter grades instead of points, a la EGM. I've written English essays which had a few faults in them, but still got an A+; I think that an A+ is a measure of quality while a 10/10 is just an ideal. Plenty of games deserve an A+ that are by no means perfect.
Ah, I always preferred letter scores (like some certain movie review sites I look at) but I never realized why until you said that lol. Numbers, are surprisingly vague.
I'm not sure I follow you... Letter grades are just based on numbers out of 100, so how is it any different? It's just less specific by a few points, with the exception of an A+. An A+ is always 100/100 or 10/10.
Now you're just thinking of "both combined" - like a grade you would get in school. A letter grade will give you a general idea of "good bad or amazing" - a number is just a "score" that could mean all sorts of things, some games get 9.5's, some get 9.8's, but I won't know why until I see every detail, while the difference between an A and an A+ should be pretty clear.
 

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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Gishface said:
I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but I really like giving letter grades instead of points, a la EGM. I've written English essays which had a few faults in them, but still got an A+; I think that an A+ is a measure of quality while a 10/10 is just an ideal. Plenty of games deserve an A+ that are by no means perfect.
Ah, I always preferred letter scores (like some certain movie review sites I look at) but I never realized why until you said that lol. Numbers, are surprisingly vague.
i think i'll ride this bandwagon.
 

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I mean when you look at the games being developed nowadays, sure there are some really nice shiny ones... but they're all just playing off of concepts or near exact copies of storylines from older games... or they're so damn generic that they can be compared to hundreds of other titles and come out looking like a part clone of all of them... I wish there were less games produced overall... but instead have really cool games with an increase of features and refined gameplay as the objective with new creative storylines that are written fresh for said game by someone who aint just rewriting someone elses novel with a few different words different names and a slight shift in context... games like the first Homeworld game that game rocked, and Fallout that game was so unlike alot of the other titles out then that it blew people's minds. I mean yeah a 10 out of 10 should only be awarded to a game that truly achieves some sort of originality mixed with refined gameplay and not only good balanced multiplayer but also a good single player storyline, something excitinly different... not ooh it are has shiny graffics and teh physix is win so dur 10/10 like 15 other games produced were rated by the same people that year...
/end rant
 

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Yes because no game is perfect. I'm currently playing Metal Gear Solid 4, great game, but again, 10/10? No. Nothing deserves 10/10. Halo doesn't, MGS4 doesn't, not even Portal deserves 10/10. For a game to warrant 10/10, it must be PERFECT in every conceivable way.

I have never encountered a perfect game. Every single game has had some flaw in it. With MSG4 its the controls, and the way snake handles. With Halo, I would criticize its length and re-play value (for single player, that is. I've only ever gone through single Player with Halo 3 once, and it just didn't interest me after that).

Even the venerable Tetris has flaws. LocoRoco also had its flaws - the graphics got pretty samey after a while. Gears of War also has flaws, Rainbow Six Vegas has flaws, every bloody game has flaws.

And so none deserve a 10/10. Because every game has something annoying about it. COD4, on the higher difficulty, had some sections which were incredibly annoying because you kept dying and dying, and it was partially based on luck whether or not you survived. Mass Effect, great game, has its horrible menu system and graphical pop in.

Because no game deserves 10/10, I think we should just do away with scores. No game is ever going to be technically PERFECT. Instead, all reviews should simply list good points and bad points and let the player decide. Another thing about reviews is that they should be played by a member of the targeted audience. A puzzle-game fanatic is not going to give a shooter game a good score, for example.

Do away with scores. Simply list the good and the bad, and let the player decide.
 

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I give everything I've ever played, whether I loved it dearly or despised its guts, a perfect 10.

So suck it.
 

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Simon_TR said:
I give everything I've ever played, whether I loved it dearly or despised its guts, a perfect 10.

So suck it.
Haha, I second the motion! All games I've ever played now get a perfect 10. Thanks for the idea Simon.
 

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As a frequent reviewer on metal archives, I will only give away one 100% and one 0%. These represent the peak and nadir of all, respectively. I follow the same sort of thought in all my reviewing work.
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
If no game should ever get a 10 review, then none of you fetching brats should get an A on your homework... because nothing's perfect. All that a "ten" means in a review is that the reviewer liked it enough to give it the top grade... think of a ten not as a "perfect", but as a "top rank".
QFFT. This whining about what deserves a 10/10 and what doesn't is pissing me off. All a ten means is that a game is great, that it accomplishes what it sets out to do and provides an enjoyable experience. All a ten means is that someone, somewhere, thinks you should buy and play this game, or that it's a "must have" - if you take the 1-10 scale system seriously you'd have to say there's only one game ever worth having to the exclusion of all others, and anyone who thinks that needs to stop using their brain for gaming because they clearly don't have enough of it functioning to play games AND regulate their breathing.
 

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WarriorsDawn said:
As a frequent reviewer on metal archives, I will only give away one 100% and one 0%. These represent the peak and nadir of all, respectively. I follow the same sort of thought in all my reviewing work.
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But what if you've given out your 0% and something even more soul taintingly awful comes along?
 

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GloatingSwine said:
WarriorsDawn said:
As a frequent reviewer on metal archives, I will only give away one 100% and one 0%. These represent the peak and nadir of all, respectively. I follow the same sort of thought in all my reviewing work.
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But what if you've given out your 0% and something even more soul taintingly awful comes along?
then it's either negatives or it's even worse than the 0% and therefore they both get 0%
 

mjhhiv

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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
mjhhiv said:
ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Gishface said:
I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but I really like giving letter grades instead of points, a la EGM. I've written English essays which had a few faults in them, but still got an A+; I think that an A+ is a measure of quality while a 10/10 is just an ideal. Plenty of games deserve an A+ that are by no means perfect.
Ah, I always preferred letter scores (like some certain movie review sites I look at) but I never realized why until you said that lol. Numbers, are surprisingly vague.
I'm not sure I follow you... Letter grades are just based on numbers out of 100, so how is it any different? It's just less specific by a few points, with the exception of an A+. An A+ is always 100/100 or 10/10.
Now you're just thinking of "both combined" - like a grade you would get in school. A letter grade will give you a general idea of "good bad or amazing" - a number is just a "score" that could mean all sorts of things, some games get 9.5's, some get 9.8's, but I won't know why until I see every detail, while the difference between an A and an A+ should be pretty clear.
I guess I see what you're saying, but I'd still prefer a scoring system similar to that of Game Trailers (in that they give each category a score, then average out all the categories for a final score out of 10), or just no score at all.
 

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The "Score" System is fucked up, currently there's no standard for a 10/10 game.

I think a 10/10 game should have universal appeal among the gaming crowd as well being technically proficient and it should also be hella fun. By this criteria MORE game should be 10/10 than are ATM.
 

Dr Pussymagnet

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well a 10/10 doesnt mean perfect, it just means its a game that cant be missed. An 11/10 would be the perfect game
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
What does anyone care, anyway? Have any of you been traumatized when you glanced at a game's numerical score, gone out and bought it, and been disappointed? If so, then it's your own fault. There's a reason numerical scores are accompanied by, you know, text.
I completely agree with this point. I also do not pay any mind to the 'scores' on reviews.
This is especially true with a game title such as MGS4.

I myself read EGM, and they put three reviewers on MGS4 specifically.
Each reviewer wrote a relatively descriptive article talking about the good and bad aspects of the latest installation of the MGS series.

I think Yahtzee hit the nail straight on the head when he said: "I don't believe a complex opinion can be represented numerically."