No Haters: If you love Halo so much tell me this. . .

[ForensicYOYO]

Note that im not a hater on Halo. I actually love it! But heres my problem. When Halo came out it set a new standard for FPS, and almot every shooter has taken after it since. You could say its the core of all FPS since its release. But what does Halo possibly have that no other shooter has now? I know this is mostly from my opinion but creativity wise, there isn't much that has been added. Or at least not original to Halo. I just feel like when I play it, its beginning to turn into a blurry screen and all I see are the basics of all guns, armor, and vehicles in todays FPS. So all I ask of you is to tell me what Halo possibly offers that we haven't already seen? I just want to enjoy the series again before I turn into a hater of a game I truly loved.

 

[sheogoraththemad]

a lot of shooters focus on realistic combat, Halo is still the one and only fun above realism shooter

 

[kintaris]

Its more fun.

Probably the shortest argument I've ever written, but its true.

 

[obliviondoll]

From what I've heard, Halo: Reach added armour- done in the form of backpacks in Red Faction: Guerrilla.

And- nope, done elsewhere.

Oh, but they- nope, they stole that idea from someone else too.

I think Halo 2 and 3 failed miserably at the whole "innovation" thing, but Reach has at least branched out and combined a bunch of ideas which haven't been put together before.

Kind of like the way Darksiders is a Zelda clone crashed into a God of War clone, with elements of Devil May Cry and Portal... And a blend of World of Warcraft and Warhammer 40,000 for the character models. it's an awesome game if you look at it by itself, but if you've seen anything it's ripping off, you realise all they did was make them all work together.

 

[repeating integers]

Durr there were FPS games before Halo?



IMO, innovation isn't necessary for a game to be good. It helps, but it's not needed. If asked to identify something Halo innovated, I'd probably be at a loss. If asked to identify what elements make it so very fun, you could expect a long post.

 

[Simple Bluff]

I know a lot of people frown on multiplayer ever since ZP decided it was uncool, but, in my opinion, Halo has the best co op of any game I've ever played. And I've played L4D. Also, there's so much potential for dumb fun on forge and custom games, I love some of the minigames people have created.
Is it origonal though? I don't think so, but I don't care. What's fun is fun, and Halo certainly is. I can see why it might not appeal to some people though.

 

[UBERfionn]

Did you seriously say it was a new standard of FPS?

Them be fightin words you know. You're insulting every FPS made before Halo.

Not really because Halo: Combat Evolved gave us Limited weapons(you could only carry two at a time), regenerating health(in the form of your shield) and a button for to punch people instead of switching to your crowbar or whatever to do so. It was the first modern shooter.

But half life is still better.

 

[UBERfionn]

New standard? That parade of mediocrity?

Oh dear, oh dear.

Halo: combat evolved.
not halo 3.
Don't confuse the two.

 

[Kron_the_mad wants to be deleted]

halo might have set a new standard for CONSOLE shooters, assuming that absolutely no-one had heard of timesplitters or goldeneye.....

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You could say its the core of all FPS to date.

You could also say that Twilight was the most successful Vampire film to date.

But why would you?

Not really because Halo: Combat Evolved gave us Limited weapons(you could only carry two at a time), regenerating health(in the form of your shield) and a button for to punch people instead of switching to your crowbar or whatever to do so. It was the first modern shooter.

Weapon Encumberance was around in Chainmail(1970)or Spy Hunter(82), regenerating health was around in Star Wars(83) or Ghost and Goblins(85), Melee instead of ranged was around in Bomberman(83).
Simply porting these things into a new genre is not what you call innovation.

 

[Fire Daemon]

Halo has stuck to it's own formula, which is exactly what you would expect from a franchise, but with other developers doing similar things has started to seem a bit samey.

One big thing was the Matchmaking system from Halo 2. Completely changed Console Multiplayer, strengthend (if not created, I'm not sure) Ranking and Skill based games, put in Gametype selection and the ability to party up as well as all the things you can do with that party. Nowadays if a console game doesn't have matchmaking it stands out and kind of makes multiplayer look like an after thought.

But I don't want the Halo franchise to constantly try to look fresh and exciting. What matters most is the core of the game and the bells and whistles come last and with a hollow core all the B&A won't help it at all. The thing is though, you only really notice the core changes. Halo has plenty of B&A changes like weapons, vehicles, powerups, Forge etc but the core remains the same. If Halo changed it's core just so it doesn't seem like it's not chnaging it would probably be worse, kind of like how ODST wasn't as good as Halo 3 even though it was more original compared to One and Two.

EDIT: What the hell is with so many people saying that Halo hasn't set the course for modern FPS. Shooters have been made much like Halo for years, nearly everyone cries that out. NO game is a direct Halo clone of course, everything brings something new (albeit small), but it seems like you are disagreeing with the OP just because he mentioned Halo.

Halo is a videogame!

No it isn't, it's a photo album with pictures of my dog and everyone knows that, you dolt!

What the hell...

 

[repeating integers]

*sigh* It seems the "no haters" comment has had the opposite effect to what it was intended for. Yes, I'm looking at you, The_root_of_all_evil.

 

[DazBurger]

Halo got a better story than most the other look-a-likes there have been made.

 

[Verlander]

I'm voting for "fun" as well

 

[necromanzer52]

Well to this day I haven't played another FPS that integrates vehicles and and on-foot sections so seamlessly.

 

[ForensicYOYO]

Did you seriously say it was a new standard of FPS?

Them be fightin words you know. You're insulting every FPS made before Halo.

Im saying it set a new bar of how FPS now look and play. I loved shooters long before Halo, But you cant help notice they all now seem to be pulled from the same game but stretched into something better or even worse.

 

[UBERfionn]

New standard? That parade of mediocrity?

Oh dear, oh dear.

Halo: combat evolved.
not halo 3.
Don't confuse the two.

You misunderstood me; the entire franchise is shallow.

And Modern warfare isn't?

At least Halo 1 was inventive.
It gave a lot to the modern FPS.