No, it isn't OK.

[101flyboy]

So, I'm pretty new here, hello everyone, I'm sure you've seen me around. Anyway, I was checking out OTD forum last night, and some guy said something like I don't like black people, am I right? I don't like ____________ group, I don't recall who it was. And he said that was a legitimate opinion to have, and that it's just a preference. Others agreed with him. And I've noticed people making excuses for this type of behavior.

Well, no. It isn't OK to racist, homophobic, sexist etc. It isn't OK to dislike black people for their race, it isn't OK to be against homosexuality, and it isn't OK to think women are lesser beings than men, think all other religious options are beneath your chosen belief, and we can go on from there. It is NOT OK. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. That doesn't make them right, they're still wrong, but it's that persons' choice to be wrong. And remember, people don't choose to be black/gay/women etc. A lot of people don't really "choose" their religious beliefs either, they are indoctrinated into them. However, bigoted beliefs against these groups is most certainly a choice.

I get tired when people make defense of such actions. People especially do it when it comes to sexuality/gender related things. Like somehow religion/"ick" factor/society/whatever bullshit they can think of makes is reasonable to be a bigot against these things. Well, someone needs to say it loud and clear. It isn't. And thinking it's acceptable and giving it a pass makes you part of the problem, because these attitudes are what causes the actions against legal citizens. There is a reason why individuals such as this are viewed negatively. It's because they are negative people, and should be seen as such.

What do you all think? Am I right or wrong? Discuss.

 

[Berethond]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

 

[Palademon]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

Then try to fix it, or not act on them, would be my guess.

 

[xmbts]

It isn't ok, but it's also not ok to try and force people to think differently, all you can do is explain your side and hope for the best.

 

[101flyboy]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

You need to do your part to make better of yourself. Indoctrinated or not, it is a choice. No-one is born a bigot. You can choose to not be a bigot also. Or, one can choose not to act on that bigotry. I know a friend who grew up in an EXTREMELY difficult situation with conservative baptist parents, and he ain't no bigot.

But really, I shouldn't have included religion as quite the same as race and the others, since it is ultimately a choice. Which is why it's annoying when the ultra religious play the victim card when other groups correctly condemn them for their actions that are not in any way validated by religious doctrine.

 

[Habakkuk]

So, I'm pretty new here, hello everyone, I'm sure you've seen me around. Anyway, I was checking out OTD forum last night, and some guy said something like I don't like black people, am I right? I don't like ____________ group, I don't recall who it was. And he said that was a legitimate opinion to have, and that it's just a preference. Others agreed with him. And I've noticed people making excuses for this type of behavior.

Well, no. It isn't OK to racist, homophobic, sexist etc. It isn't OK to dislike black people for their race, it isn't OK to be against homosexuality, and it isn't OK to think women are lesser beings than men, think all other religious options are beneath your chosen belief, and we can go on from there. It is NOT OK. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. That doesn't make them right, they're still wrong, but it's that persons' choice to be wrong. And remember, people don't choose to be black/gay/women etc. A lot of people don't really "choose" their religious beliefs either, they are indoctrinated into them. However, bigoted beliefs against these groups is most certainly a choice.

I get tired when people make defense of such actions. People especially do it when it comes to sexuality/gender related things. Like somehow religion/"ick" factor/society/whatever bullshit they can think of makes is reasonable to be a bigot against these things. Well, someone needs to say it loud and clear. It isn't. And thinking it's acceptable and giving it a pass makes you part of the problem, because these attitudes are what causes the actions against legal citizens. There is a reason why individuals such as this are viewed negatively. It's because they are negative people, and should be seen as such.

What do you all think? Am I right or wrong? Discuss.

So how does this make you feel?

 

[Berethond]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

Then try to fix it, or not act on them, would be my guess.

But OP said
A lot of people don't really "choose" their religious beliefs either, they are indoctrinated into them. However, bigoted beliefs against these groups is most certainly a choice. So I guess some people must not "choose" to be so bigoted either.

 

[Swaki]

so why didn't you just post this as a comment in the thread?, you dont really have a unique or particularly interesting view on the topic, definitely not enough to carry a entire thread on what most people said in a comment.

 

[101flyboy]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

Then try to fix it, or not act on them, would be my guess.

But OP said
A lot of people don't really "choose" their religious beliefs either, they are indoctrinated into them. However, bigoted beliefs against these groups is most certainly a choice. So I guess some people must not "choose" to be so bigoted either.

I clarified this statement. There is a difference, though. Being religious in itself is not an issue. Being a bigot is an issue.

 

[Palademon]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

Then try to fix it, or not act on them, would be my guess.

But OP said
A lot of people don't really "choose" their religious beliefs either, they are indoctrinated into them. However, bigoted beliefs against these groups is most certainly a choice. So I guess some people must not "choose" to be so bigoted either.

I guess the idea they meant is you can choose whether or not to act upon bigoted ideas, and defending such a position is ridiculous.

 

[101flyboy]

so why didn't you just post this as a comment in the thread?, you dont really have a unique or particularly interesting view on the topic, definitely not enough to carry a entire thread on what most people said in a comment.

Because I think it closed, and also because I want to see what people specifically think about this.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Yes it is ok, just as long as they don't go about making problems for the group of people they dislike.

 

[Aerodyamic]

It isn't ok, but it's also not ok to try and force people to think differently, all you can do is explain your side and hope for the best.

I think this response is the most achievable one I've seen, concerning this kind of situation.

 

[Berethond]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

You need to do your part to make better of yourself. Indoctrinated or not, it is a choice. No-one is born a bigot. You can choose to not be a bigot also. I know a friend who grew up in an EXTREMELY difficult situation with conservative baptist parents, and he ain't no bigot.

But really, I shouldn't have included religion as quite the same as race and the others, since it is ultimately a choice. Which is why it's annoying when the ultra religious play the victim card when other groups correctly condemn them for their actions that are not in any way validated by religious doctrine.

Well, actually, we are born racist.

I do agree that obviously wrong people play the victim card way too much. Can't they see that the entire force of society is trying to get rid of them? We just have to wait it out until they die, then they'll all be gone.

 

[Blue_vision]

I agree entirely. Bigotry is simply inexcusable and unacceptable in any circumstance.

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

Then you should know that your beliefs are wrong.

 

[Skinny Razor]

It was "I don't like homosexual." If actions occur, then that should be dealt with as needed. Trying to control thoughts, unpopular or otherwise, is wrong, not to mention practically impossible.

It is NOT OK. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. That doesn't make them right, they're still wrong, but it's that persons' choice to be wrong.

This is self-contradictory. If people can have their own opinions, how is that "wrong"? What are you arguing against if you agree people are allowed to have their own opinions (as if they're seeking your approval)?

 

[101flyboy]

It isn't ok, but it's also not ok to try and force people to think differently, all you can do is explain your side and hope for the best.

You can't force anyone to think anyway no matter what. True, that all you can do is as you said, explain where you are coming from and hope for an enlightening moment. But I do believe you should actively do your part to make people realize the error in their ways. No-one should allow bigotry to happen unchecked. Also, no-one should allow another person to have such incorrect and invalid views, because that will also hurt that person in their lives.

 

[sycoesis]

What if you're indoctrinated into bigoted beliefs?

then you should have the strength to break away from such beliefs or become worse then those you look down on

 

[spartan1077]

I've always agreed that there is no reason to be openly racist or bigoted. Even if someone hates blacks/Jews/middle-eastern/LGBT people, then they should keep it to themselves. We are all people and deserve nothing but respect and it isn't as socially acceptable to be discriminatory(in some places) as it is in others. Although I enjoy racist/sexist/homophobic jokes...but I don't hate the people.