Get what you're saying here, but there's a pretty damn big difference, unlike religion, science is in constant flux, it changes to suit what emerges as objective truth (albeit truth proven through science, but still, it evolves). You don't see the Bible being rewritten every time something in it is proven to be impossible, but scientific laws and beliefs proven wrong are discarded readily (med students aren't exactly being taught about humors anymore), there is no piece of cannon so fundamental to science that it isn't subject to examination, not even gravity. Try telling the local priest that Jesus doesn't make sense due to the internal logic of Christianity, or telling a Rabbi that the teachings of the Torah mean that it should actually be permissible to eat shellfish, they probably won't even look into it, no matter how detailed your arguments may be. Scientists, on the other hand, are usually open to new ideas.Grunt_Man11 said:Atheism is a religion.
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Religion is about having faith.
Atheists have faith in science, technology, human ingenuity, and human creativity.
Thus atheism is a religion.
This guy brings up a solid argument, Atheism is the lack of religious belief, you don't even have to believe in science to be an atheist, you can believe in a geocentric model of the universe and a flat earth without believing in any sort of supernatural power.Heimir said:Grunt_Man11 said:This right here.Skullkid4187 said:People who are dicks to others, specifically towards people with religions. They have a religion, get over it. Or just dicks in general, as why they need to be a dick I don't see a proper motive at all. No matter how made I am or upset I can't take it out on someone. No matter how stupid or ignorant someone is I bite my tongue. Maybe mommy and daddy just taught me good manners.
Atheists are the worst about this. The number of "religion" replies in this thread is evidence of that.
Every time the subject of religion comes up you get atheists who hop on with their "GOD DOESN'T EXIST" trolling. It's old people, really old. Most of the intolerant, bigoted, and hate filled comments involving the subject of religion on the internet come from atheists. Then they have the nerve to whine when they get the same treatment in return.
Reap what you sow.
I know that not all atheists are like that, and I sure hope most aren't like that, but the same is true for all religions that suffered from the curse of over-zealous members. (And by that I mean all of them.)
Which brings me to a nice bit of irony. Atheism is a religion.
It may not involve the belief in/worship of a theoretical deity(s) or entity(s), but it still involves the belief in/worship of something. Religion is about having faith.
Atheists have faith in science, technology, human ingenuity, and human creativity.
Thus atheism is a religion.
Now many will be angry and upset that I'm calling their believe system a religion but I must ask, why?
There is nothing wrong with atheism being called a religion. Too many have spent too much time trying to demonize the word "religion." I don't understand why they do that though. It just doesn't make sense to me.
It's okay to have faith in something. It doesn't matter if you can physically prove it exists or not. It's perfectly okay to have faith in science, technology, God, Buddha, Ala, Talos, Ponies, the Triforce, Thrall, Spider Man, C-130 cargo planes, a rock, or anything else.
I don't understand why more can't grasp this. It's okay to have faith. It's not okay to belittle people who have faith in things you do not.
OT: Don't know if troll or just completley and utterly retarded.
Atheism is simply the non-belief of supernatural theistic dieties. It is nothing else. It has no dogma or other beliefs than that. So don't go making generalizations about atheists. You are the cause and reason of why people belittle and hate on religious people. Especially christians in america. Stop playing the victim. YOU are the TYRANT and OPPRESSOR. Stop crying. You have no right to do so.
I know, it's sad enough when old people refuse to learn, sadder when they try to and just can't seem to grasp the basic concepts, and the epitome of sadness when teenagers can't figure out that resetting their computer will fix it 95% of the time.Fluffythepoo said:i dont understand children that cant use a computer
yeah, there are legitimate reasons to prefer each, but not to such a crazy extent, and people need to learn to stop hating on everything about the other side (I seem to recall a lot of fanboys hating on exclusives they hadn't even played the last time I saw a flame war over the consoles).Samus Aran but a man said:Forum wars (PS3 vs Xbox; BF3 vs MW3)
Actually at least one aspect of BDSM has nothing to do with personal background, some people enjoy pain because the body has a tendency to (exclusively when highly aroused) interpret ANY strong sensation as sexual pleasure, this is EXTREMELY common, some people just embrace this to a greater extent than simple bites and spanks. It's neurology, not psychology.Zack Alklazaris said:Furries... I don't understand what happens in a persons life that eventually makes them want to dress up in animal customs and get into furry piles.
I can understand other deviant sexual pleasures like BDSM. Costumes like school girls, goth, etc. Even the illegal things like necro and pedophilia. It all can be drawn back to something that happened in childhood.
But furries, what the heck happens in a persons childhood to cause that?
the same reason I theorize why I have a friend who has an artbook full of sexy undead/plain disturbing drawings as well as slight bestiality.. something about people or how people have treated them in the past make them feel the need to distance their mind from people, thus resulting in them finding very unhuman creatures sexually attractive instead.. :\Zack Alklazaris said:Furries... I don't understand what happens in a persons life that eventually makes them want to dress up in animal customs and get into furry piles.
I can understand other deviant sexual pleasures like BDSM. Costumes like school girls, goth, etc. Even the illegal things like necro and pedophilia. It all can be drawn back to something that happened in childhood.
But furries, what the heck happens in a persons childhood to cause that?
youre confusing semantics with realityWhit said:This guy brings up a solid argument, Atheism is the lack of religious belief, you don't even have to believe in science to be an atheist, you can believe in a geocentric model of the universe and a flat earth without believing in any sort of supernatural power.Heimir said:Grunt_Man11 said:This right here.Skullkid4187 said:People who are dicks to others, specifically towards people with religions. They have a religion, get over it. Or just dicks in general, as why they need to be a dick I don't see a proper motive at all. No matter how made I am or upset I can't take it out on someone. No matter how stupid or ignorant someone is I bite my tongue. Maybe mommy and daddy just taught me good manners.
Atheists are the worst about this. The number of "religion" replies in this thread is evidence of that.
Every time the subject of religion comes up you get atheists who hop on with their "GOD DOESN'T EXIST" trolling. It's old people, really old. Most of the intolerant, bigoted, and hate filled comments involving the subject of religion on the internet come from atheists. Then they have the nerve to whine when they get the same treatment in return.
Reap what you sow.
I know that not all atheists are like that, and I sure hope most aren't like that, but the same is true for all religions that suffered from the curse of over-zealous members. (And by that I mean all of them.)
Which brings me to a nice bit of irony. Atheism is a religion.
It may not involve the belief in/worship of a theoretical deity(s) or entity(s), but it still involves the belief in/worship of something. Religion is about having faith.
Atheists have faith in science, technology, human ingenuity, and human creativity.
Thus atheism is a religion.
Now many will be angry and upset that I'm calling their believe system a religion but I must ask, why?
There is nothing wrong with atheism being called a religion. Too many have spent too much time trying to demonize the word "religion." I don't understand why they do that though. It just doesn't make sense to me.
It's okay to have faith in something. It doesn't matter if you can physically prove it exists or not. It's perfectly okay to have faith in science, technology, God, Buddha, Ala, Talos, Ponies, the Triforce, Thrall, Spider Man, C-130 cargo planes, a rock, or anything else.
I don't understand why more can't grasp this. It's okay to have faith. It's not okay to belittle people who have faith in things you do not.
OT: Don't know if troll or just completley and utterly retarded.
Atheism is simply the non-belief of supernatural theistic dieties. It is nothing else. It has no dogma or other beliefs than that. So don't go making generalizations about atheists. You are the cause and reason of why people belittle and hate on religious people. Especially christians in america. Stop playing the victim. YOU are the TYRANT and OPPRESSOR. Stop crying. You have no right to do so.
well, to be fair sociopathy is a mental condition that isn't too different than schizophrenia (schizophrenia is emotional dissociation, sociopathy is moral dissociation). I'm not saying we have nothing to fear from sociopaths, frankly they're bloody terrifying, but they aren't evil so much as they are crazy.tthor said:I do not understand people who are so blatantly ignorant of things, as well as sociopathic people.. both of those things are why I have lost most faith in humanity :\
I was talking to this high school boy about music and movies. He was complaining about how iTunes is a pain in the ass. I mentioned torrents and he was completely clueless.Fluffythepoo said:i dont understand children that cant use a computer
Oh yea believe me I know, choking, slapping, biting, perhaps even tie ups are all very common. I was more referring to extreme BDSM. Like Sub and Dom, Slave and Master.Whit said:Actually at least one aspect of BDSM has nothing to do with personal background, some people enjoy pain because the body has a tendency to (exclusively when highly aroused) interpret ANY strong sensation as sexual pleasure, this is EXTREMELY common, some people just embrace this to a greater extent than simple bites and spanks. It's neurology, not psychology.Zack Alklazaris said:Furries... I don't understand what happens in a persons life that eventually makes them want to dress up in animal customs and get into furry piles.
I can understand other deviant sexual pleasures like BDSM. Costumes like school girls, goth, etc. Even the illegal things like necro and pedophilia. It all can be drawn back to something that happened in childhood.
But furries, what the heck happens in a persons childhood to cause that?
I was born in the early 90's, so the internet and I sort of grew up side-by-side, and I can't imagine how hard it would be to just jump into where we are now. Unless something pretty drastic happens to simplify things, my generation could be the first in U.S. history to be better with tech than the following generation.Zack Alklazaris said:I was talking to this high school boy about music and movies. He was complaining about how iTunes is a pain in the ass. I mentioned torrents and he was completely clueless.Fluffythepoo said:i dont understand children that cant use a computer
Then again he also downloaded that fake "Windows Defender" Virus.
Perhaps its because my generation as well as the generations before had computers grow into their lives. While these new generations had grown into computers. They were magical to us, we wanted to see how they worked. These kids, they have had them their whole lives. Never went a DAY without the internet existing. It would surprise me if they didn't take it for granted.