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Delsana

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Cigarettes.

I can do the cigar thing because you don't inhale and the poisons aren't present even if over-indulgence is still bad.

But cigarettes? There is no reason to, and everything you "get from it" supposedly, is actually just a lie and a trick of the mind as it makes things worse.
 

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OhJohnNo said:
Carsus Tyrell said:
The whole sympathy for paedophiles thing that goes on around here. I mean whenever it comes up and people naturally get angered by a child being abused, social/tribal creatures that we are, you always get some whiny, bleeding heart oik spouting "You're just like the people that hate homosexuals!"

Because apparently despising those that molest children or entertain the thoughts of doing so means I'm on the same level of people that hate two consensual adults having sex. Then there's the whole "They can't help what they are attracted to!" Well so fucking what? You don't let a pyromaniac burn stuff down because they can't fight of the urge to do so and say "they can't help it, oh well". No you ship them off to therapy and help them with their problem. Same with Kleptomaniacs, you have an impulsive, uncontrollable urge to steal things? Therapy, off you go.

Yet because a Paedophiles issue is sexual in nature I'm being a biggot?

You're confusing paedophiles and child molesters. The former is a group of people with a sexual attraction towards children. The latter is the group that has acted on that attraction.

There are a couple of the former on these forums, IIRC.
No I'm not, a paedophile still entertains the thought of having sex with children like I had already mentioned in my OP. I know that just entertaining the thought of something isn't a crime but like the title of the thread no amount of open mindedness on my part will ever stop me from being angered and disgusted by these people.
 

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Carsus Tyrell said:
No I'm not, a paedophile still entertains the thought of having sex with children like I had already mentioned in my OP. I know that just entertaining the thought of something isn't a crime but like the title of the thread no amount of open mindedness on my part will ever stop me from being angered and disgusted by these people.
Well, personally, I think paedophiles should be painlessly chemically castrated, so they can go on being perfectly normal members of society without also having the possibility of being a ticking time bomb.
 

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Matthew94 said:
OhJohnNo said:
Carsus Tyrell said:
No I'm not, a paedophile still entertains the thought of having sex with children like I had already mentioned in my OP. I know that just entertaining the thought of something isn't a crime but like the title of the thread no amount of open mindedness on my part will ever stop me from being angered and disgusted by these people.
Well, personally, I think paedophiles should be painlessly chemically castrated, so they can go on being perfectly normal members of society without also having the possibility of being a ticking time bomb.
Thought police eh?

I sure hope you end up in some position of power, you'll be great.

No, I'm just kidding. Your mindset is insane, you can't mutilate someone because of their thoughts.
I totally see where you're coming from, and I'm actually not very sure of my own position myself.

It just seems to me that... well... what use has a paedophile got for their reproductive organs? On reflection this is going down a horribly slippery slope, but surely it would be safer for society to remove from them any temptation at all of molesting a child? It is a disgustingly horrible crime.
 

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Matthew94 said:
OhJohnNo said:
Matthew94 said:
OhJohnNo said:
Carsus Tyrell said:
No I'm not, a paedophile still entertains the thought of having sex with children like I had already mentioned in my OP. I know that just entertaining the thought of something isn't a crime but like the title of the thread no amount of open mindedness on my part will ever stop me from being angered and disgusted by these people.
Well, personally, I think paedophiles should be painlessly chemically castrated, so they can go on being perfectly normal members of society without also having the possibility of being a ticking time bomb.
Thought police eh?

I sure hope you end up in some position of power, you'll be great.

No, I'm just kidding. Your mindset is insane, you can't mutilate someone because of their thoughts.
I totally see where you're coming from, and I'm actually not very sure of my own position myself.

It just seems to me that... well... what use has a paedophile got for their reproductive organs? On reflection this is going down a horribly slippery slope, but surely it would be safer for society to remove from them any temptation at all of molesting a child? It is a disgustingly horrible crime.
Maybe they could use those organs on people of the same age [with consent of course ;)] , just because they get a hard on for kids doesn't mean they aren't attracted to adults too.
Ah, I see... I suppose the whole "sexuality is a slippery slope, not black and white" thing also applies to paedophiles. I hadn't considered the possibility that they could also be attracted to adults.
 

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now this will probably be controversial but i dont get why prisons are so dam comfortable for prisoners in britain and why they are so dam soft on people who commit crimes! it honestly enrages me, it kinda makes me wish they would bring back the gladiatorial games for murderers and child molesters etc. yes you can call it barbaric but in my mind that is fair justice, you kill someone, you have to fight for your life or be killed.
 

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I can't really think of anything, for everything a human can do I can see a psychological reason why they would want to do it.

I see the issue of paedophilia going round this thread though, I personally have a very strong view on it as it's a subject I have devoted much thought to, and this is something I see as a downright appauling injustice in the UK. Paedophilia is a sexual deviance, people don't choose to have it, in fact many of the people who are paedophiles (Not child molesters, I wish people would learn the difference) were abused in some way themself in the past which could be attributed as the most likely cause. The reason I state the UK is because I live there, and the fact we have this particular law.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/25/section/65

For those of you who don't know this bit of archaic legislation was introduced in 2009 and pretty much shows the downright intolerence that this society breeds against paedophiles. Inside it, drawn images, of imaginary children, in imaginary sexual acts, are considered against the law. This is the only piece of legislation that I know of that makes an imaginary crime against the law.

Sexual acts with Children are against the law based on the fact that the child can't legally consent, therefore it has to always be regarded as sexual assault. In our society this particular sexual deviance is demonised because instead of using logic, and detaching ourselves from the situation, people tend to let their emotions get in the way because of their evolutionary protective instinct for children.

To use an analogy I frequently like to repeat. Almost all males encounter the urge for agression in their lives. It's an instinctal thing for us to assert domainance. However, we live in a civilised society so we have the ability to (most of the time) stop ourselves from attacking the other person. Essentially, blindly condemning paedophiles who have never harmed a child and who probably never will is the same as assaulting someone who you feel any urge of agression towards, it's letting instinct override logic and tolerence.

Furthermore, this law was passed (to the best of my knowledge) without any psychological study showing a correlation between drawn child porn and actual unlawful acts (This would have to be within a group of identified paedophiles, which means any psychological study would be nigh impossible to do as almost everyone who are would deny it either consciously or subconsciously).

Continuing on... (Man this is a long post)
gonzo20 said:
now this will probably be controversial but i dont get why prisons are so dam comfortable for prisoners in britain and why they are so dam soft on people who commit crimes! it honestly enrages me, it kinda makes me wish they would bring back the gladiatorial games for murderers and child molesters etc. yes you can call it barbaric but in my mind that is fair justice, you kill someone, you have to fight for your life or be killed.
While I don't agree with the latter part of your post, for reasons that are fairly obvious. I do agree that prisons are too soft (or too hard). My view is that our prisons have some of the worst reoffending rates because of middle ground syndrome. They should be either really nice, giving refuge to criminals who want to reform and allowing them to reform (Which would incur short term costs but we would reap long term benefits). The majority of criminals are either...
A: Psychologically damaged.
B: Commiting crime out of desperation.

Or prisons could of course be made to be a living hell so that no one would ever want to commit a damn crime in the first place, yet alone reoffend. Of course this has the problem of becoming a police state. In which the masses are kept in line out of fear, which can easily be more destructive than crime.

I'd like to if I may, cite the treaty of versailles to explain my view. France wished that Germany, after the first world war killed so many French and destroyed so many resources, that they pay huge unreasonable reperations, and that they would be crippled for the rest of the forseeable future. America however wanted to let Germany of lightly, they essentially wanted to forgive them and move on. Britain however (and its people) wanted to punish, but not too harshly. SO when the treaty ended up turning out like that, what happened?

The Second World War. As far as I know it's largely considered that the second world war was a cascading consequence of the treaty of versailles and how it angered the people of Germany. Not only were they bitter, but they had just enough resources and flexibility in the treaty to build up enough military forces to start a major world war. If either France or Americas idea had gone through, the second world war would have never happened, (although arguably the second world war may have happened far later if France had had it's way as the bitterness would still be there after a long time).

So yeah, prisons should be either stricter or lighter because World War II happened.

Phew, long post. I bet absolutely no one will read this now, oh well. Just my... many cents.
 

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people willing to live in ignorance, to not want to be intelligent or develop an understanding of life and how things work.

i hate stupid people who are proud to be stupid and don't care...
 

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suitepee7 said:
people willing to live in ignorance, to not want to be intelligent or develop an understanding of life and how things work.

i hate stupid people who are proud to be stupid and don't care...
You see, in that situation I usually take pity on them and try and help them to stop doing what motivates them to act like that. (Usually attention seeking, but oh well)
 

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Jedamethis said:
Crime. Try as I might, I cannot think how people can purposely hurt their fellow man and not feel bad about it.
Because I don't like you son *pats on back*

I mean...I love you...

Anyway on a serious note I guess people that like music by Justin Bieber and One direction and other crappy bands. Wish the world appreciated and made good music.

Oh also why won't the world put me in charge of earth, I'd be so good at it!
 

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gonzo20 said:
now this will probably be controversial but i dont get why prisons are so dam comfortable for prisoners in britain and why they are so dam soft on people who commit crimes! it honestly enrages me, it kinda makes me wish they would bring back the gladiatorial games for murderers and child molesters etc. yes you can call it barbaric but in my mind that is fair justice, you kill someone, you have to fight for your life or be killed.
I agree with gladiatorial games if I'm being honest but think it should be a choice. You have the choice go, become a gladiator and fight for freedom or go to prison for however long your sentence should be. This is also kinda my opinion on the death penalty, if the prisoner knows they've done wrong and don't want to live with the thing they've done then give them a quick and easy death, all the while making sure this is what they really want.
 

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the things people do for money.
I don't understand it at all. Really even opening up a retail buisness is beyond me.
 

MisterDyslexo

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People who say they're Christians pretty much because they don't want to burn in hell.

Like, wtf?? So much broken logic makes my brain cry.
 

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CrashBang" post="18.331368.13452334 said:
...you try to be, there's always that one thing you can't wrap your head around.

For me, it's people who aren't moved by music, people who are fine with listening to the radio or club music because it's easy to dance to or it's simple, people who don't go looking for music that inspires them or brings out all manner of emotion/feeling to the surface (be it joy, excitement, anger, passion etc). These are the things I can't accept/understand, no matter how wide I open my mind.

So what's your one thing that you can't grasp?[/quote

I find it odd how much value some people put in music. Sure it can evoke emotion if used properly but whats the point of that unless combined with a story (Movies, games, etc)? If I want to feel an emotion I'll use a much more effective method of actually recalling or experiencing an event that evokes it.
 
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suitepee7 said:
people willing to live in ignorance, to not want to be intelligent or develop an understanding of life and how things work.

i hate stupid people who are proud to be stupid and don't care...
life's painless for the brainless

As someone who suffers depression, sometimes I wish I was dumb and ignorant