No new Half-Life in 2010? News source link included.
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At the very least, Episode 3 could turn into Half-Life 3. If that happens, then it'll at least justify the painfully long wait. Even then, I think the fans are still going to be pissed.
Yep, recently I played both. Same thing. L4D2 is an expansion pack. It's not a bad expansion pack, but I don't think it warrants a full game. Granted, I am of the opinion that the original L4D had too little actual content to be considered a full game...Woodsey said:
Something where I can't breeze through all the content in a matter of hours and then the only option I have available is repeating the same content ad naseum. If L4D and L4D2 were one big game, I'd consider that a fairly good deal, but individually they aren't full-feature titles as far as I'm concerned. Not every game has to have a mammoth 60+ hours single player, but some effort would be welcome. Tossing out a handful of maps and calling it a "multiplayer game" is a cheap copout...Woodsey said:
Claiming the games were just tossed out is a bit of a copout on real criticism.Jandau said:
Besides, both games are given free DLC anyway - and on games like CoD where the entire thing is based pretty much on MP nowadays, all you're doing is playing the same maps over and over again.
Oddly I'm not too pissed off at Valve's inability to release the last Half-Life episode. They may be taking their sweet time on it, but I;d rather they do that than rush it. Let them take time to figure it out if it means it will turn out good.
However I agree that they should spend less time on new games like Left for Dead and Portal 2 so they can at least start working on Episode 3.
However I agree that they should spend less time on new games like Left for Dead and Portal 2 so they can at least start working on Episode 3.
How is it a cop out on criticism? I dislike the fact that the games shipped with very limited content and as such are poor value for money. I don't find it fun repeating the same content over and over and over again. If L4D had the amount of content found in both L4D and L4D2 put together, that would be go a long way to remove the issues I have with the game.Woodsey said:
Before you bring up Portal, that was a part of the Orange Box, along with TF2 and Half-Life 2. The Orange Box is one of the all-time great deals in gaming since each individual item was actually very cheap, and HL2 is a full-feature game in its own right. If Valve tried to charge me full price for TF2 or Portal as a stand alone product, I would very much find that unacceptable as a consumer and avoid the game by default.
As for the CoD argument, I quite thoroughly agree and that's one of the reasons I don't buy CoD games. At best, I rent them over the weekend for a few laughs. But this thread isn't about CoD, it's about Valve. And as far as I can see, Valve hasn't done a major project in a while (since HL2), only bite-sized mini-games...
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This. I've seen it mentioned before, but I can't be assed to read the whole thread.
As some other people whose senses work correctly, I expected this. Valve usually takes a long time to polish things up before releasing (even though too much with their damned episodes). Also, It's a very arduous process to think of something that hasn't been seen before. They're probably working on the story to make it never-before-seen, the gameplay to make it innovative and probably the length of the game in general. They always delivered something new, and probably will this time...
Assuming it ever even sees the light of dBURN THE HERETIC
This. I've seen it mentioned before, but I can't be assed to read the whole thread.
As some other people whose senses work correctly, I expected this. Valve usually takes a long time to polish things up before releasing (even though too much with their damned episodes). Also, It's a very arduous process to think of something that hasn't been seen before. They're probably working on the story to make it never-before-seen, the gameplay to make it innovative and probably the length of the game in general. They always delivered something new, and probably will this time...
Assuming it ever even sees the light of dBURN THE HERETIC
It's funny. When people are aware of a game getting a sequel sometime in the future, but find out it may take years to make, they get all pissy, whiny, and complain about how long it's taking (no matter how promising the game looks/sounds). Yet, if they hear some mention of a new game series in development with promises of innovation (no matter how empty those promises are), they may be willing to wait 4+ years for it.
Developing a story is one of the hardest things to do as a writer, and I will give you an example that affected me personally.
I had this story all written out, but there were a few rough patches, overall it was fantastic but there were areas that needed smoothing. So I had one of my writer friends look at it (he took the initiative actually) and the phrase "Wouldn't it be better if..." started flying around. This changed the pacing of the story/game and required me to rewrite other areas entirely. The story retained its awesomeness, but it did take more time.
With that being said, I am forced to understand how developing an episode, someone could notice something no one did prior, and then they begin rewriting. For example, Aperture Science is now heavily involved in the HL Universe, and thus the ship. Durring the development of portal, its quite possible someone went ahead and said "Wouldn't it be really cool if?" and that changed the writing process.
I am not saying thats what happened, but being a scatterbrained pretend writer myself, I can see where appropriately stinky stuff hits and appropriately sized fan.
I had this story all written out, but there were a few rough patches, overall it was fantastic but there were areas that needed smoothing. So I had one of my writer friends look at it (he took the initiative actually) and the phrase "Wouldn't it be better if..." started flying around. This changed the pacing of the story/game and required me to rewrite other areas entirely. The story retained its awesomeness, but it did take more time.
With that being said, I am forced to understand how developing an episode, someone could notice something no one did prior, and then they begin rewriting. For example, Aperture Science is now heavily involved in the HL Universe, and thus the ship. Durring the development of portal, its quite possible someone went ahead and said "Wouldn't it be really cool if?" and that changed the writing process.
I am not saying thats what happened, but being a scatterbrained pretend writer myself, I can see where appropriately stinky stuff hits and appropriately sized fan.
Did you even understand what my complaint was really about? Games get delayed all the time. Hell, Half-Life 2 had one hell of a delay when it came out - but I understood that. As disappointed as I was, it was just the way things were going. No, my complaint IS NOT so much about the damn game being delayed.Vigormortis said: