No Right Answer: Best Superhero Team Ever

[Eri]

I don't think a lot of people understand what a hero is supposed to be in comics. "OH but we can relate better to marvel because theyre more human!" Who cares? You're not supposed to be relating that much to them, THEYRE SUPER HEROES, not everyday joe. They're supposed to be SUPER. What half of Marvel's heroes do is not super. Better than random person? Sure. But not all that super powered comparatively. Comics were made to get away from -our- reality and it sure seems like a lot of Marvel fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

none of it would mater because the Scarlet Witch would destroy them all.

Scarlet Witch? Good luck taking on The Spectre.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Howard the Duck as an Avenger?

I would so pay to see that shit!

 

[search_rip]

Avengers > Justice League

but this was a good idea

 

[bobstone]

wait.... and it was not the ambiguously gay duo vs the wonder twins ???

that would be the match-up of the century!

 

[artanis_neravar]

I don't think a lot of people understand what a hero is supposed to be in comics. "OH but we can relate better to marvel because theyre more human!" Who cares? You're not supposed to be relating that much to them, THEYRE SUPER HEROES, not everyday joe. They're supposed to be SUPER. What half of Marvel's heroes do is not super. Better than random person? Sure. But not all that super powered comparatively. Comics were made to get away from -our- reality and it sure seems like a lot of Marvel fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

none of it would mater because the Scarlet Witch would destroy them all.

Scarlet Witch? Good luck taking on The Spectre.

The Scarlet Witch has power over reality, all she has to do is decide that none of them should exist, and they don't anymore.

 

[Eri]

I don't think a lot of people understand what a hero is supposed to be in comics. "OH but we can relate better to marvel because theyre more human!" Who cares? You're not supposed to be relating that much to them, THEYRE SUPER HEROES, not everyday joe. They're supposed to be SUPER. What half of Marvel's heroes do is not super. Better than random person? Sure. But not all that super powered comparatively. Comics were made to get away from -our- reality and it sure seems like a lot of Marvel fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

none of it would mater because the Scarlet Witch would destroy them all.

Scarlet Witch? Good luck taking on The Spectre.

The Scarlet Witch has power over reality, all she has to do is decide that none of them should exist, and they don't anymore.

The Spectre is an aspect of God Itself, the Divine Vengeance incarnate.

I think not sir.

 

[artanis_neravar]

I don't think a lot of people understand what a hero is supposed to be in comics. "OH but we can relate better to marvel because theyre more human!" Who cares? You're not supposed to be relating that much to them, THEYRE SUPER HEROES, not everyday joe. They're supposed to be SUPER. What half of Marvel's heroes do is not super. Better than random person? Sure. But not all that super powered comparatively. Comics were made to get away from -our- reality and it sure seems like a lot of Marvel fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

none of it would mater because the Scarlet Witch would destroy them all.

Scarlet Witch? Good luck taking on The Spectre.

The Scarlet Witch has power over reality, all she has to do is decide that none of them should exist, and they don't anymore.

The Spectre is an aspect of God Itself, the Divine Vengeance incarnate.

I think not sir.

reality She could make the Spectre cease to exist, she rewrote the entire history of a universe on a whim, and then nearly caused the extinction of the Mutant Race on another. She removed people from existence without a thought, and brought other back into existence.

 

[RootBrewski]

I'm surprised kyle didn't get a point for mentioning that the JL can keep each other in check as I thought it had some merit to his argument. Still though both teams have their pros and cons and the guys did good this week with the debate.

Still I would have chosen the JSA simply because they have Powergirl.

 

[Starik20X6]

I'd say it's equal. Marvel has Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Wolverine, Spiderman... As you said, whoever they want/need at the time. And the JLA has Batman.

Honestly, if DC didn't have Batman, they'd be screwed.

Oh yeah, and DCAU > MAU. All the way.

 

[Nghtgnt]

This was one of the best debates I've seen on this webcast, and I can't wait to see the arguments more in depth when the No Right Explanation comes out for this one.

My two cents: I agree that as far as most interesting to read the Avengers are better because their characters are more "human" and are thus themselves more interesting. However, with their line-up being so fluid I'm note sure they'd win out in the "team" part of the debate.

I was disappointed that Chris didn't go with X-Men, because those guys have been through so much crap and yet have managed to remain together (largely). I've always found them, and all their spinoff/subteams (especially New Mutants and the grittier X-Force) to be the most interesting to read.

One final note on the Scarlet Witch debate: much as I hate to point this out, if she is so all-powerful how come her attempt to eliminate all mutants didn't have a 100% success rate?

 

[Aureliano]

Damn it Chris, you were supposed to say that you had a "marvelous" question this week!

Also the best superhero team is either 60s Batman and Robin or the Justice Friends. Justice friends, justice frenzy!

 

[BrotherRool]

Justice League wins, I loved the Avengers movie but as teams go, even the Justice League Abridged team beat them. The Avengers aren't a thing and the interest almost comes from the heroes themselves. Even with the Avengers film it felt like we had an Iron Man film, a Hulk film and a Thor film, they were connected and teamwork was a big thing but it was more about each person and where they come from and how they play with others.

Whereas the Justice League are a team, they all have different roles, they're together because they can do more together and it stops being 'How do Batman and Superman interact with each other' and becomes 'How do Batman and Superman interact together in the Justice League'

 

[RTR]

That Moviebob quote better be legit.

 

[subtlefuge]

i prefer watchmen

Exactly what group are you referring to? Because that graphic novel has two groups, and neither of them are called "Watchmen".

 

[rekabdarb]

Best line before I forget it: "Patriotism: The Superhero!"
Wow, this was a great debate today. I find both teams have their ups and downs, which I'll elaborate on later after some research. I agree with Chris, though, that if your team is famous for its members fighting each other on a regular basis, that's a point against their favor.

But before like a year ago, wasn't superman also "Patriotism: the superhero"

Oh and not picking x-men?
racist. against mutants.


Anyways Dc vs marvel. The score will always end up "Dc has better villains, Marvel has better heroes."

But yeah, Martian Manhunter and Superman. Kind of make the team lame. Considering Manhunter can Mind control people and be like wassup wassup.

But yeah if i were kyle i would of brought up the black lantern/white lantern stories. While it wasn't Justice League, that shit is pretty boss.
Also Hulk=over powered piece of shit. Who can beat superman given superman doesn't 1 hit KO him

 

[Dudeman325]

Fantastic Four would beat any team that either DC or Marvel could assemble, solely because Reed would be able to invent a Macguffin in under 5 minutes to handle the situation almost effortlessly. I mean, hell, during the JLA / Avengers crossover, he slaps together an interdimensional hoverbike just so The Thing could show up in the DC universe to say, "What's up?"

 

[Jacked Assassin]

I feel like the debate went off track even though I'm glad The Avengers won. But if physically the 2 were to meet in a fight I think JL would win.

That stated I think this was more about Marvel Vs DC as a franchise. And I think Marvel tends to be better IMO.

When it comes to hating reality & turning to fiction.
DC: Meh, you got problems? I can destroy just about all of my problems!
Marvel: We may have the same problems as you. Which means you can vicariously live through us & view how we solve them!
Me: Leaning toward Marvel.

When it comes to adapting with the times.
DC: Screw with adapting with the times! Most if not all my characters fit in to the 1950! Except Batman who's like in the 1920s-1930s. And Lobo who was retconned in the 1990s.... But we're sure Lobo sucks since Movie Bob would agree with us that the 90s suck.... But then again everything after the 1950s sucks.
Marvel: Most of our characters adapt with the times. Sometimes Captain America doesn't. But its a reminder that he fought in WW2. And is trying to adjust to the times. Or in some cases may have a better concept of what America should be. Not what some (crooked) politician may turn it into.
Me: Leaning toward Marvel.

In franchise Vs.
DC: Ah BS! MK vs DC made us look bad. So bad Warner bought the MK franchise from a dying Midway. Sure it was bad because we watered it down to a T. But hey we rather not damage our wholesome 1950 image. Yeah we could've went with characters like Lobo for an M rating. But why make it an MK vs DC game if we're not going to Super Glue our main franchises to it? We had great games before that like Superman 64 & that Aqua Man game which was good enough to make a reward called "The Golden Mullet" in it's honor!
Marvel: MvC2 is a major Cult Hit. So much so we were happy to have MvC3. And later on Ultimate MvC3.
Me: Confused by DC's final statement & leaning toward Marvel.

In Movies.
DC: Yeah we don't know what we're doing beyond Batman without Robin right. So we're hoping to screw up Batman 3! That way people will beg us for a Batman & Robin Movie! And we can go back to when they wore rubber thongs! The awesomeness of rubber thongs!
Marvel: What's wrong with you?! How can you hate on the FF yet enjoy every movie of ours you've seen including the FF movies?! Okay you started hating X-Men movies after X3.... But still what's wrong with you?!
Me: Ignoring Marvel's logic. Creeped out by DC's rubber thong fetish. And leaning toward Marvel.

Animation
DC: we have the better continuity in our animations. And sometimes we had Lobo.... Come on.... you have to had like those more than Marvel's constant rebooting of their franchises.... Right?
Marvel: Okay some of our animations were really bad.... Like The Silver Surfer cartoon.... But we did have you're favorite Marvel character, Deadpool in Hulk vs Wolverine.
Me: Deadpool wins!.... But seriously I want more Lobo.

In MMOs
DC: We actually released a MMO. And there is no Lobo. "Maybe someday" when we magically care about "Your Opinion" but fat chance of that happening.
Marvel: It'll be done when its done.... Wait.... ignore that statement.... We'll have more news on a Marvel MMO someday....
Me: Ignoring MMO.... Unless PS Home counts.... PS Home wins then is quickly DQ'ed....

On PS Home
DC: We gave you a Bat Cave thanks to BAA.
Marvel: We're selling generic T Shirts. Won't you please buy these generic T Shirts? So far we're not going to do anything serious on PS Home. So accept buying our generic T Shirts already! We even have a generic Deadpool T Shirt!
Me: No contest. DC wins here.

BAA vs any Marvel Games I've played
Batman wins. Nuff Said.

 

[2xDouble]

Why doesn't Warner Bros. make a Justice League movie?

Because Green Lantern, Superman Returns, and Batman Forever exist... and Wonder Woman doesn't (cancelled). Don't even get me started on that crappy Flash movie... Lord only knows what they'll do with characters like Martian Manhunter or HawkMan/HawkGirl.

But as to who the best team is? We'll have to find out when the crossover comic is published.

Incidentally: Dr. Strange > everyone.

 

[Tarkand]

Wow, people liked Civil War? It was terrible...

]Wolverine would beat Batman, Thor would fight Superman, Quicksilver could take on the Flash, Ms Marvel could fight Wonderwoman, Vision could go up against the Martian Manhunter, Iron Man would occupy Green Lantern, and none of it would mater because the Scarlet Witch would destroy them all.

Wolverine could beat Batman, but Batman could also beat Wolverine. He's beaten countless 'great martial artist with weapons' before. Keep in mind he doesn't need to kill him (and wouldn't anyway), only knock him out. That being said, the natural pairing for Batman in the Avenger is captain america, not wolverine.

Thor vs Supes is a natural pairing... and while Thor is powerful, he has only shown power in the same level as Superman when he has odin's power, otherwise, it's really a no contest - if Thor doesn't have Odin's power, Superman can pretty much take the entirety of the Avengers by himself.

Quicksilver vs Flash is just ugly... the fight has happened in a crossover and sadly for Quicksilver, while they are both speedsters, they are in two different weight category - Quicksilver can run several hundred kilometers per hours... Flash can run so fast he can time travel. QS has no chance in this.

Ms Marvel vs Wonderwoman & Vison vs Manhunter ... I'm actually not familiar enough to say who would here, but if you look at the fact the WW can hold her own against Supes and than Ms. Marvel isn't as powerful as Thor...

Iron Man vs GL isn't even a contest again, Green Lantern is very close in power to Superman and would be a match for people like the Silver Surfer in the Marvel U...