Well, I think we need to replace one of the guys on this debate team for not being able to hold up his end.
I mean honestly, someone is saying "The Avengers are a better TEAM because they have strife and fight each other"... WTF? A Team is based around unity, as a team The Justice League is far superior if you want to rate them that way BECAUSE they act like a TEAM.
What's more a solid membership should be a plus, in general you know who is in the JLA, it's a team of the same guys getting together. The Avengers can't be considered remotely unified.
See, the thing between them is that the JLA is a flagship title, with all of the big names in DC comics being present together. The Avengers on the other hand seems to mostly be a dumping ground for characters that are flagging in popularity, if a character can't hold down a book on their own, but still has a fan base, they get put into the Avengers for a while, then they either recover or go on to just doing cameos or disappearing entirely. The Avengers is also a way of getting exposure for new creations Marvel isn't so sure on.
In general The Avengers usually has one or two big name heroes holding it down, while it does happen it is RARELY an all star cast of Marvel's biggest characters all working together.
If you take a look at say the original Storyline, you'll notice that the team that formed to fight Loki didn't exactly stay together permanantly from that point on, they all kind of went on to do their own thing, and it was lesser characters that kind of held it down, characters like The Wasp, or Giant Man, have been on the team more consistantly than say "The Hulk" who moves in and out of actively working with the avengers based on company wide events, and apparently how well his own books are doing. This is why they have such a huge roster, and so many characters have moved through the team.
Don't get me wrong, I like Marvel comics a *lot* more than the DC universe, but as far as team books go, I think DC has been ahead. DC seems to understand a team should consist of the same characters with an evolving dynamic, rather than changing every dozen issues or so. There are exceptions in DC, but even in their spin offs like "Wildstorm" I think the Wildcats, Authority, Gen-13, and other titles outdo the Avengers when rated specifically as
a team book.
Probably the only thing worse than The Avengers as far as team solidarity goes is the X-men which has changed rosters and spawned so many sub-teams and spin offs that it's bloody ridiculous. At least with The Avengers most fans can tell you who the original members were, with the X-men I tend to run into more ignorance with people who think characters like Wolverine were original X-men which is kind of funny given that he seemed to appear as an intended one shot character in The Hulk.
Marvel just generally can't build or hold down team books, DC can. DC is better for that kind of comic even if I don't like their universe as much.
I mean honestly, someone is saying "The Avengers are a better TEAM because they have strife and fight each other"... WTF? A Team is based around unity, as a team The Justice League is far superior if you want to rate them that way BECAUSE they act like a TEAM.
What's more a solid membership should be a plus, in general you know who is in the JLA, it's a team of the same guys getting together. The Avengers can't be considered remotely unified.
See, the thing between them is that the JLA is a flagship title, with all of the big names in DC comics being present together. The Avengers on the other hand seems to mostly be a dumping ground for characters that are flagging in popularity, if a character can't hold down a book on their own, but still has a fan base, they get put into the Avengers for a while, then they either recover or go on to just doing cameos or disappearing entirely. The Avengers is also a way of getting exposure for new creations Marvel isn't so sure on.
In general The Avengers usually has one or two big name heroes holding it down, while it does happen it is RARELY an all star cast of Marvel's biggest characters all working together.
If you take a look at say the original Storyline, you'll notice that the team that formed to fight Loki didn't exactly stay together permanantly from that point on, they all kind of went on to do their own thing, and it was lesser characters that kind of held it down, characters like The Wasp, or Giant Man, have been on the team more consistantly than say "The Hulk" who moves in and out of actively working with the avengers based on company wide events, and apparently how well his own books are doing. This is why they have such a huge roster, and so many characters have moved through the team.
Don't get me wrong, I like Marvel comics a *lot* more than the DC universe, but as far as team books go, I think DC has been ahead. DC seems to understand a team should consist of the same characters with an evolving dynamic, rather than changing every dozen issues or so. There are exceptions in DC, but even in their spin offs like "Wildstorm" I think the Wildcats, Authority, Gen-13, and other titles outdo the Avengers when rated specifically as
a team book.
Probably the only thing worse than The Avengers as far as team solidarity goes is the X-men which has changed rosters and spawned so many sub-teams and spin offs that it's bloody ridiculous. At least with The Avengers most fans can tell you who the original members were, with the X-men I tend to run into more ignorance with people who think characters like Wolverine were original X-men which is kind of funny given that he seemed to appear as an intended one shot character in The Hulk.
Marvel just generally can't build or hold down team books, DC can. DC is better for that kind of comic even if I don't like their universe as much.
