Who is the best fictional lawyer?
Come on, there are so many crime and courtroom dramas to choose from.
Come on, there are so many crime and courtroom dramas to choose from.
No Right Answer: Who is Justice (Murderer Edition)
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Light Yagami clearly shouldve won.
You can talk about justice all you want, but when your jury is 300% Manga hating there is zero justice
You can talk about justice all you want, but when your jury is 300% Manga hating there is zero justice
Yea the defense for Light was bland and kinda half-assed. You failed to mention other things like his incredibly high intelligence and the fact that he could easily cause a far greater impact then Dexter ever could (and basically did).
Yea Dexter is great but the biased against anime could be seen from a mile away.
Yea Dexter is great but the biased against anime could be seen from a mile away.
As a person who believes in Heaven and hell and had only watched the anime I glossed over that partAsita said:
That is a very good point though that the system worked whereas Dexter has no pre-defined idea other than murder people I see doing bad stuff.
- WHO IS JUSTICE?
- Batman.
- True. Thank you very much, folks, see you next week.
Also, Dan continues to be my favourite character.
- Batman.
- True. Thank you very much, folks, see you next week.
Also, Dan continues to be my favourite character.
Anyone else feel like the main reason DeathNote lost 1 to 4 was because it's an anime and the judge openly hates anime? I mean, at the end of the day, even though I like DeathNote better as a show, I would say that Dexter has a much better sense of justice and is the rightful winner, but that's the ONLY time I've seen a margin wider than +/-1.
Good one (though probably not as fun), I vote Jack McCoy.itsausernamewhatofit said:
What about Best fictional cop? (Human)
Chris really dropped the ball on defending Light as Justice because he just kept saying KIRA IS JUSTICE!
May have been a contributing factor, but I'm more inclined to say that the argument in favor of Light just wasn't up to snuff. I mean, let's give a synopsis of points that could have worked for the side, both in terms of setting up decent discussion on what does or does not qualify as justice and as things that give Light credit.kwagamon said:
1) Light was the son of a detective, en route to becoming a detective himself (Mangaka ostensibly stated that had he not found the Death Note, Light would have become one of the greatest detectives in the world), capable of matching wits with the actual greatest detective in the world.
2) He was already a highly accomplished individual before he found the Death Note. Academically he was considered one of the smartest students in the nation, and in terms of police work he had already helped to solve several cases for the police. From the get-go he's basically an ideal character to represent the concept of justice, which is part of what makes his morally questionable methods so tragic.
3) Light was very capable of predicting the reactions of the public, to the extent that his plan revolved around those reactions. To the public, the hand of god would appear to be smiting the wicked, and that was his greatest weapon. People would support the actions due to their apparent divine nature and because of how those actions targeted those who 'deserved' divine retribution. At the same time, those inclined to do evil would know that they were doing so in a world where a supernatural force could and likely would target them for those actions, making them far less inclined to do so in the first place.
4) Let's look at the characters' goals for a minute. why do the two kill? Now, granted, I've never seen Dexter, so my interpretation may not be accurate, but my understanding is that he was recognized as a budding serial killer and was [secretly] taught to direct those homicidal tendencies towards those who deserve it. Now, the end result with both Dexter and Light is "bad guys get murdered", ostensibly putting them on equal moral ground in that regard. To that end, motive becomes a very important factor. Assuming I wasn't mistaken in my interpretation of Dexter (and again, having never seen the show, I very well could be), he kills because he actually enjoys killing. Conversely, we have Light, who is horrified when he first realizes that the Death Note actually works. He resolves to keep killing because he believes the world is rotting and needs cleansing. He convinces himself to use the death note for the sake of changing the world for the better. You can see the epiphany itself here:
5) It worked (repetition of my prior post). According to Near, Light's actions reduced global crime rates by 70%, and effectively ended wars. That's not just effective, that's downright incredible (and as a debate point: That's the kind of effect that Dexter could never match). And again, that was the entire point of his actions in the first place. He saw the world as needing change, worked to implement that change, and succeeded on a global scale.
Now, while I don't know if those would have won the debate, I think they are much stronger points than what was supplied for the character.
I wonder how many questiosn will involve Teddy Roosevelt.
Eh, I dont have a strong enoiugh opinino on this. I dont watch dexter and didnt feel strongly about death note.
Eh, I dont have a strong enoiugh opinino on this. I dont watch dexter and didnt feel strongly about death note.
Next debate should be: "Who's the best debater? Chris vs. Kyle" where Chris argues for Kyle and Kyle argues for Chris. Because it would be awesome.
Great episode as always ^^
Great episode as always ^^
He acts like the people i knew in school that started ostracizing me because I liked Spirited Away(the same one Roger Ebert likes) and a handful of others, being called a weeaboo and dumbass shit like that.skylog said:
People like him will never change. I wish they'd be more open minded.