The only 'water levels' I like are in MH3, and even then I never finished that game (left it for assignments for a bit and went back to start a new game and found that I could only use SnS, which I'd done the last time).
Nobody likes water levels
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Tomb Raider (assorted) also had a harpoon gun that you could (indeed, *needed* to) take into shark infested waters =)DustyDrB said:
For me it goes back to Super Mario Bros, where the water levels where the most annoying in the game. You never felt like you had complete control where you wanted to go. Going up was easy, just spam the jump button, but going down was a *****, sinking is just too slow.
If the water levels weren't there to make me snap the games controller in half, kick my television out of the window, burn the house down, and piss on the ashes, I wouldn't feel nearly as challenged.
Here's why people don't like water levels. I mean, it's basically a pavlovs dog reaction - but kinda in reverse, I suppose.
Seriously, it's loud. I once made someone shriek from across the house by playing this sound at them.
Water = that noise = OH GODS FIND A BUBBLE = NOOOOOOO! That's why Hydrocity is exempt, because bubble shields are everywhere.
Seriously, it's loud. I once made someone shriek from across the house by playing this sound at them.
Water = that noise = OH GODS FIND A BUBBLE = NOOOOOOO! That's why Hydrocity is exempt, because bubble shields are everywhere.
Water means your character is going to have to move slowly, through space where he or she will have a limited time to breath. You wont be as effective at combat, the enemies who are in the water are probably more adept at moving through it because it is their natural environment or they have been there a while longer than you. Visibility will probably be reduced and you don't even know where the next pocket of air could be, or whether you might get trapped and drown.
In summary, water is the video game environment that makes you consider a very realistic fatal situation. And you just KNOW all the important stuff in gonna be the most hard to find. The worst water levels I have seen are the ones in Legend of Zelda games.
OH the fish bloody well explodes does it? And I was supposed to figure out that while navigating a submerged maze was I? Balls to that im gonna go play some oblivion where I can walk ON water while shooting frosty flaming arrows at helpless Guards.
In summary, water is the video game environment that makes you consider a very realistic fatal situation. And you just KNOW all the important stuff in gonna be the most hard to find. The worst water levels I have seen are the ones in Legend of Zelda games.
OH the fish bloody well explodes does it? And I was supposed to figure out that while navigating a submerged maze was I? Balls to that im gonna go play some oblivion where I can walk ON water while shooting frosty flaming arrows at helpless Guards.
Plain and simple... I don't like water levels because I grew up with this:
20 years on, it's still proper nightmare fuel.
EDIT: Fuck it, someone posted the exact same thing with the exact same video like ten minutes ago. I should read properly before posting instead of just skimming.
20 years on, it's still proper nightmare fuel.
EDIT: Fuck it, someone posted the exact same thing with the exact same video like ten minutes ago. I should read properly before posting instead of just skimming.
For me, it's because there currently isn't a working 3D control system.
Think about it: Every joystick, keyboard and mouse works in only 2 dimensions. When you're in water, you have 3 to worry about. Hence the controls hardly ever work.
Think about it: Every joystick, keyboard and mouse works in only 2 dimensions. When you're in water, you have 3 to worry about. Hence the controls hardly ever work.
I can provide a list of what's wrong with water levels:
1.It's always fucking dark. It's not fun to fight when you can only half see the enemies.
2.There's usually limited air supply. Time limits don't make anything more fun.
3.You can get attacked from any angle.
4.Water enemies are always fast, annoying, and scary.
When you combine all of them it just destroys any potential fun. It panders to too many different fears at once.
1.It's always fucking dark. It's not fun to fight when you can only half see the enemies.
2.There's usually limited air supply. Time limits don't make anything more fun.
3.You can get attacked from any angle.
4.Water enemies are always fast, annoying, and scary.
When you combine all of them it just destroys any potential fun. It panders to too many different fears at once.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ocean, but water levels do piss me off. Mainly slow, time consuming swimming, the fact that you need to time yourself and do things before you run out of air, and how combat is usually very limited in water. Water can just be an irritating addition to a game, however many times it is done quite well.
Alright, that part annoyed me too. Still, at least it didn't have them firing harpoon guns at Russian frogmen, right? Also, you still have to admit that Victor Charlie did it right.InterAirplay said:
I think most of this water level hate comes from ocarina of time, but I didn't mind the water temple at all.
What I did mind, and what I think brings on the hatred was having to cumbersomely flip into your menu to take those iron boots on and off a zillion fucking times. That constant flip from 3d game world to 2d menu really was jarring, and even more so back in the day when 3d was still pretty new, and we were all trying to get our bearings.
Also, Ecco the Dolphin was cool.
What I did mind, and what I think brings on the hatred was having to cumbersomely flip into your menu to take those iron boots on and off a zillion fucking times. That constant flip from 3d game world to 2d menu really was jarring, and even more so back in the day when 3d was still pretty new, and we were all trying to get our bearings.
Also, Ecco the Dolphin was cool.