NoE (seemingly) cuts Bravely Second's bad ends from sidequests.

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

http://www.gamezone.com/news/bravely-second-localization-has-seemingly-butchered-the-game-3434305

"They removed all the non-neutral sidequest/Asterisk quest outcomes; any choices that would cause characters to die have been removed. Whatever choice you make now, you'll receive the neutral outcome where both sides make it out ok. Compare this to the Japanese versions where you had 4 different outcomes, with VOICED cutscenes!"

So now that they are cutting actual content and not just sexy costumes, do you care?

I don't even know why they would cut this. So that the little kiddie winkles don't have to make hard decisions?

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

Yes.

Now, I most definitely DO care.

Fire Emblem's localization was kinda shitty, but I was of the opinion that nothing of value was lost. This...this is actual CONTENT.

If this is true...this needs to fucking EXPLODE.

 

[Musou Tensei]

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

 

[CritialGaming]

I liked Bravely Default, but if they cut this much possible content from the sequel then they can frankly go fuck themselves. I will not buy the game if this is true. I can understand Japanese petting people fetishes being cut, but full on content? Fuck that.

 

[Zhukov]

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

Well, here's your chance to draw a line in the sand and refuse to buy the game.

I shall join you in this noble crusade! I too shall not buy Bravely... Thingy Whatsit.

 

[Erttheking]

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

Well, here's your chance to draw a line in the sand and refuse to buy the game.

I shall join you in this noble crusade! I too shall not buy Bravely... Thingy Whatsit.

I doubt you're missing much. I like JRPGs and I never finished the first one. There was a vampire side quest where you had to fight a series of dragons (I don't know) and you had to grind a bunch of classes that you never used before in order to actually beat them, and even then you could still easily lose. I lost my patience with it after that. It was seriously grindy, more grindy than JRPGs technically are. Doesn't help that apparently the "bad guys" were secretly fighting against some greater evil (Or something, I never got that far but the hints being dropped were hardly subtle) and basically the first half of the plot happened because of this.

"You don't understand why I'm doing this!"

"Why ARE you doing this?"

"I'M NOT TELLING!"

 

[Musou Tensei]

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

I knew it. I knew that SJWs were going to be blamed for this. (Oh you didn't say SJWs, but you're pretty much blaming them)

I guess that's called Shadow Blaming? You are pretty much associating the word "people" with SJWs. Trust me, if I want to blame SJWs, I will say so.

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

Well, here's your chance to draw a line in the sand and refuse to buy the game.

I shall join you in this noble crusade! I too shall not buy Bravely... Thingy Whatsit.

Well I personally already decided that when they changed the Tomahawk class, I'm into Zero Tolerance mode at this point, well, almost, if censorship is needed to actually avoid an AO rating or even legal issues, then it's beyond the companies power, like removing or increasing the age of characters, but the companies need to communiacte that of course. I fully support Idea Factory's decision to not localize games at all anymore if censorship is needed though.

 

[Erttheking]

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Fine.

Still I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that you're saying that I'm responsible for this, considering that I fall under people. I take issue with that. Serious issue.

And you'd rather have no games than games with changes. That's a textbook case of slicing off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Fappy]

I'd really like some explanation for this. I get censoring the "sexy" outfit. It's not a big deal. The native american thing? Not really sure why a headdress is considered offensive to anyone, but whatever. Cowboy hats are cool too.

But this?

They really need to explain themselves. I can't see any reason why they would cut such a significant amount of story content unless it was just poorly written and the DEVS decided to remove it.

EDIT: Just read that SE oversaw the localization this time rather than Nintendo. Could explain why so much more got censored perhaps.

 

[Musou Tensei]

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Fine.

Still I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that you're saying that I'm responsible for this, considering that I fall under people. I take issue with that. Serious issue.

Well if you were in the camp of *meh, it's just a bikini* or *meh, the head petting is creepy anyway* or "meh, it's just a boob slider", you kinda are. I am too guilty of this though, I bought Fatal Frame and Xenoblade, now I wish I didn't, I was weak, I'm not anymore, not buying Bravely, not buying Fire Emblem and to be honest, I'm at a point where I don't want to give Nintendo one more euro, so I decided to cancel my orders of Zelda TP HD and Starfox, even though they are uncensored (I assume at least), I'm currently legit sick of Nintendo, something I would have never dreamed of around 5 months ago.

And you'd rather have no games than games with changes. That's a textbook case of slicing off your nose to spite your face.

It's called principles.

 

[NPC009]

This seems like a weird thing to cut... It's not uncommon for publishers to cut some content due to time/money constraints (for instance: Atelier games often have less voiced dialogue in English than in Japanese), but this seems like a pretty big thing to remove. Or are they overstating the actual amount of content? More information would be nice...

BTW to be perfectly honest, I might not even have noticed these alternative quest endings being gone. I'm pretty big on keeping everyone alive, which has served me well in Suikoden.

 

[Erttheking]

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If I am then frankly I don't care, mainly because I'm not a purist who thinks a game is ruined because of minor changes. I wasn't even interested in half of these games, so frankly I find it ironic that you're blaming other people when you're the one that actually supported them financially. But I bought Fire Emblem without the petting, I guess I'm a horrible person. I was sympathetic to this one, but frankly your "Are you happy now" attitude pretty much killed what sympathy I had for you. If this is enough to stop you from enjoying Bravely Second I can't help but feel like you weren't really looking forward to it in the first place.

Spite seems to be a better word, considering you're extending this to games where it's not an issue (at least not ones where you've found an issue). Because did you buy the first Bravely Default? There were quite a few costume changes in there. There's always stuff like this. If you're going to not buy a game if it makes any changes at all, you might as well stop buying Japanese games period.

 

[Musou Tensei]

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If I am then frankly I don't care, mainly because I'm not a purist who thinks a game is ruined because of minor changes. I wasn't even interested in half of these games, so frankly I find it ironic that you're blaming other people when you're the one that actually supported them financially. But I bought Fire Emblem without the petting, I guess I'm a horrible person. I was sympathetic to this one, but frankly your "Are you happy now" attitude pretty much killed what sympathy I had for you. If this is enough to stop you from enjoying Bravely Second I can't help but feel like you weren't really looking forward to it in the first place.

Spite seems to be a better word, considering you're extending this to games where it's not an issue (at least not ones where you've found an issue). Because did you buy the first Bravely Default? There were quite a few costume changes in there. There's always stuff like this. If you're going to not buy a game if it makes any changes at all, you might as well stop buying Japanese games period.

Well you are wrong, I was looking forward to it a lot, but I just can't do this anymore. I did buy Bravely Default, day 1, back then I just wasn't aware of such things as I was relying mostly on mainstream websites. Only thanks to Gamergate and the resulting Deepfreeze.it I eventually abandoned those lying websites and discovered several independend gaming sites, like my favorite Nichegamer, who actually report such things. Fuck, censorship in my country was finally decreasing in the last couple years, I can just go and buy Mortal Kombat X in a store, something unthinkable when MK9 was new, and banned, but then I have to realize that the american puritans force a new wave of censorship on european gamers, I want less, not more again. Senran Kagura 2 is 12+ here ffs, DOAX2 as well, we don't want this puritan bs here, Koei could easily release DoAX3 here, would most probably also be 12+, 16+ max.

And you're wrong, again, Xseed and IFI exist, recently got the new Neptunia game and I'm awaiting the release of Senran Kagura Estival Versus. I also can see an increase of english asia releases of games, which is something more companies should, do, it's a great way to provide non japanese speaking gamers with uncensored games.

 

[Erttheking]

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If something this minor is all it takes, I can't help but doubt you. Even the thread that this article cites as a source has the people coming down with a bad case of the "Meh"s. You can actually buy Mortal Kombat in your country? Honestly I find it kind of odd that you live in a country where you couldn't actually buy games because of government mandates, and THIS is the kind of censorship you're getting upset over. The kind willingly made by a company to its own product, to the point where I'm not even sure you can really call it censorship. American puritans-oh don't you start with me. I understand that people love to say any criticisms of sex related materials are made by Puritans because when in doubt, Ad Hominem, but it's a rather shallow counter to people who have a lot of grievances with the reliance of sex in media, especially in places where it directly contradicts the tone. I can't help but notice when it doesn't contradict the tone in games like Huniepop the game barely gets any flak. But I guess I'm just puritan. And American.

Because criticisms of sex in media apparently don't exist outside of America. I gotta tell Zhukov he doesn't exist or is secretly American and not Australian. And Phasmal that she's not really English. And its us that is causing the censorship because every single European ever never once agreed with a localization change (Are all localization changes censorship now? If so censorship really isn't the boogeyman people treat it like it is. I mean American games exported to Japan are censored all the time too. We cut out a lot of the violence because it doesn't appeal to a Japanese audience). And the entire Japanese video game market listens exclusively to Americans and caters to their every whim. Uh, considering that European sales of DOAX1 and 2 were lower than both American and Japanese sales and the reason 3 was never exported was because of low sales of the previous series overseas, meaning they would have even LESS incentive to sell it in Europe than America and that the community manager who said it wasn't exported because of criticism was dismissed by the company more than once and it was said it wouldn't be exported because of low sales months before that controversy happened, your point about DOAX3 is baseless and irrelevant.

TL;DR I call BS on this being a "Puritan American" thing. Kind of seems like a move to blame America because it's an acceptable target.

Well congrats, there's still quite a few Japanese games you're going to miss out on because of minor changes that don't really change the overall experience. But hey, if you're going to get hung up on that its your decision. (And just to clarify, these games change nothing? Not even references and concepts that wouldn't even make sense out of Japan? Not even something as minor as changing a name or the tone of a scene? Would you not buy the game if that happened?)

 

[Fox12]

http://www.gamezone.com/news/bravely-second-localization-has-seemingly-butchered-the-game-3434305

"They removed all the non-neutral sidequest/Asterisk quest outcomes; any choices that would cause characters to die have been removed. Whatever choice you make now, you'll receive the neutral outcome where both sides make it out ok. Compare this to the Japanese versions where you had 4 different outcomes, with VOICED cutscenes!"

So now that they are cutting actual content and not just sexy costumes, do you care?

I don't even know why they would cut this. So that the little kiddie winkles don't have to make hard decisions?

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

We're... We're actually going there? Really? What does any of this even have to with skimpy clothes being cut from completely unrelated games? The reasoning would be completely different. Well, you're right, I suppose. I wasn't morally outraged when they removed fetish gear options for 12 year old girls. I wasn't outraged when they removed groping and petting from Fire Emblem. I wasn't even outraged when a company decided, of its own free will, not to release Dead or Alive here. I didn't think content needed to be removed, but I wasn't bothered with it.

But I agree, this is incredibly stupid. I've seen the error of my ways. I'm taking a stand. I won't be buying Bravely Default 2. In fact, I'm so commited, I made sure not to buy Bravely Default 1. That'll show them.

For the record, it's possible to care about this, and not care about some porn outfits getting removed. If you really cared, you'd be trying to rally support. Instead you're just using this as ammo against SJW's. Which I'm not convinced exist. To tie this to the removal of sexy outfits is a reeeeeal stretch.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

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Jesus christ man, I'm looking at how the whole exchange is going from this one message. Misou didn't even mention SJW's in their post. You made the assumption that it was about that. Someone doesn't wanna buy a game cause of cut content, that's all there is to it. Why the shit storm? Why? You can't base an argument on assumptions of people's intentions like that. That puts you in the wrong, not them.

Quote: "And a bit of advice. Spend more than half a week on the forums before you start talking shit towards everyone you disagree with." said by you earlier.

And another bit of advice. Maybe take your 4 years here into account. Cause I don't think you should be trying to starting shit with people who didn't even call you out in the first place. Blimey.

OT: Upsetting, yeah. I'd wanna know the reason here. If the game doesn't have the ridiculous grind fest that is the last few hours of the game to get the best ending... Then I'll still buy it. I got more than halfway through Default and didn't do a ton of side questing. Yes, I might be part of the problem. I don't condone this at all, despite not voting with my wallet. I just want a good JRPG to enjoy. And if Bravely Second is better than Default, then I will still want to enjoy it

 

[Kina]

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

While I love tumblr agendas as much as the next guy, I feel like cutting content due to localization is quite different.

I'm not going to argue that it was a good thing that content was lost, since that's generally not a good thing. Do you know the reasons why said content was cut? Were you there when that decision was made?

Is it still "censorship" if this is a decision made to perhaps better suit a market it's localized for? What if the director of the game has second thoughts and figures that the game would've been more to his liking if it was changed in x or y way?

While I'm sure all this crazy nonsense will fly over at GT; I'd like to think that's not the case here at Escapist. Hopefully.

 

[Erttheking]

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Jesus christ man, I'm looking at how the whole exchange is going from this one message. Misou didn't even mention SJW's in their post. You made the assumption that it was about that. Someone doesn't wanna buy a game cause of cut content, that's all there is to it. Why the shit storm? Why? You can't base an argument on assumptions of people's intentions like that. That puts you in the wrong, not them.

Quote: "And a bit of advice. Spend more than half a week on the forums before you start talking shit towards everyone you disagree with." said by you earlier.

And another bit of advice. Maybe take your 4 years here into account. Cause I don't think you should be trying to starting shit with people who didn't even call you out in the first place. Blimey.

OT: Upsetting, yeah. I'd wanna know the reason here. If the game doesn't have the ridiculous grind fest that is the last few hours of the game to get the best ending... Then I'll still buy it. I got more than halfway through Default and didn't do a ton of side questing. Yes, I might be part of the problem. I don't condone this at all, despite not voting with my wallet. I just want a good JRPG to enjoy. And if Bravely Second is better than Default, then I will still want to enjoy it

Considering he later clarified what he meant by "people" and it was the people who regularly get called SJWs, so frankly he didn't use the term but basically meant the same thing. I was right for the wrong reasons, but I was still right.

Especially with the whole "Go enjoy your reward," crap. I apologize to you for coming of as incredibly bitter, but I've had it with being blamed for everything that happens to gaming that people don't like, all because I don't have the reaction people want me to have, or bought a game I wasn't supposed to because one thing I didn't care about was changed and all of a sudden I'm pro-censorship. And yes, he did call me out. I thought he was calling me out for different reasons but he was still calling me out. And I don't particularly care for someone painting broad strokes like he did. It doesn't help that he has since moved onto blaming this on American puritanism, which as an American I take issue with.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Considering he later clarified what he meant by "people" and it was the people who regularly get called SJWs, so frankly he didn't use the term but basically meant the same thing. I was right for the wrong reasons, but I was still right.

Especially with the whole "Go enjoy your reward," crap. I apologize to you for coming of as incredibly bitter, but I've had it with being blamed for everything that happens to gaming that people don't like, all because I don't have the reaction people want me to have, or bought a game I wasn't supposed to because one thing I didn't care about was changed and all of a sudden I'm pro-censorship. And yes, he did call me out. I thought he was calling me out for different reasons but he was still calling me out. And I don't particularly care for someone painting broad strokes like he did.

Being blamed cause of your stance on things is shitty, I'm not gonna deny that. The rest though... It doesn't really fly. It was not a personal attack to YOU, that's what ya gotta realize. Misou did not say "Erttheking" is a SJW and I hate him for his stance on this. Misou did not make that original post talking about you. Misou made their post without pointing names, people, groups, or anything. Implications may have been there, but I'm gonna gonna speak for them.

So no, you were not in the right with your response. It was a reaction to a post that was potentially completely unrelated to you. And if it was related to your stance, and you felt personally bothered with that... Well, tough shit, honestly. Not everyone is gonna agree with other people, including you. And barking at them and calling them out, telling them to smarten up after a week of being around when you've had 4 years under your belt and should know better.

Not once was your own personal name mentioned in that post, ever. As such, it has nothing to do with you personally. You can be mad all you want bout people's opinions towards a group or stance. But trying to convince me it was all targeted towards you... Unless I'm mis-understanding your words, then I don't think that's really reasonable