NoE (seemingly) cuts Bravely Second's bad ends from sidequests.

[Erttheking]

Considering he later clarified what he meant by "people" and it was the people who regularly get called SJWs, so frankly he didn't use the term but basically meant the same thing. I was right for the wrong reasons, but I was still right.

Especially with the whole "Go enjoy your reward," crap. I apologize to you for coming of as incredibly bitter, but I've had it with being blamed for everything that happens to gaming that people don't like, all because I don't have the reaction people want me to have, or bought a game I wasn't supposed to because one thing I didn't care about was changed and all of a sudden I'm pro-censorship. And yes, he did call me out. I thought he was calling me out for different reasons but he was still calling me out. And I don't particularly care for someone painting broad strokes like he did.

Being blamed cause of your stance on things is shitty, I'm not gonna deny that. The rest though... It doesn't really fly. It was not a personal attack to YOU, that's what ya gotta realize. Misou did not say "Erttheking" is a SJW and I hate him for his stance on this. Misou did not make that original post talking about you. Misou made their post without pointing names, people, groups, or anything. Implications may have been there, but I'm gonna gonna speak for them.

So no, you were not in the right with your response. It was a reaction to a post that was potentially completely unrelated to you. And if it was related to your stance, and you felt personally bothered with that... Well, tough shit, honestly. Not everyone is gonna agree with other people, including you. And barking at them and calling them out, telling them to smarten up after a week of being around when you've had 4 years under your belt and should know better.

Not once was your own personal name mentioned in that post, ever. As such, it has nothing to do with you personally

He pointed out people who were quiet or accepting of recent changes, which I fall into and more than a few people on this website too. Part of it was the fact that he was taking a shot at quite a few people on this website now but it doesn't really matter at this point. The mods apparently agree with you and gave me a warning for that post and I honestly feel like I deserve it. While I still think I was in the right I the general sense because I feel like he was criticizing me and people like me, there's no getting around the fact that I overreacted.

So I get a warning, couple of people on the internet hate me and think I'm an asshole (I got quite a collection of those now, I think I'm part of some "usual suspects" for some people now), possibly rightly and I'm in a bad mood for the rest of the night because I let my temper get out of control. I'm the fucking champ. And today already sucked. Go me.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

He pointed out people who were quiet or accepting of recent changes, which I fall into and more than a few people on this website too. Part of it was the fact that he was taking a shot at quite a few people on this website now but it doesn't really matter at this point. The mods apparently agree with you and gave me a warning for that post and I honestly feel like I deserve it. While I still think I was in the right I the general sense because I feel like he was criticizing me and people like me, there's no getting around the fact that I overreacted.

So I get a warning, couple of people on the internet hate me and think I'm an asshole (I got quite a collection of those now, I think I'm part of some "usual suspects" for some people now), possibly rightly and I'm in a bad mood for the rest of the night because I let my temper get out of control. I'm the fucking champ. And today already sucked. Go me.

Yeah, the warning tends to be a good gauge of what's the right thing to do or say around here. Glad to see you're understanding it and saying you over-reacted. That's above what a lot of folk might do. Calm, understanding responses to folk are helpful in creating a good, lively conversation, not a storm. I do hope your day turns around though, regardless!

 

[Erttheking]

He pointed out people who were quiet or accepting of recent changes, which I fall into and more than a few people on this website too. Part of it was the fact that he was taking a shot at quite a few people on this website now but it doesn't really matter at this point. The mods apparently agree with you and gave me a warning for that post and I honestly feel like I deserve it. While I still think I was in the right I the general sense because I feel like he was criticizing me and people like me, there's no getting around the fact that I overreacted.

So I get a warning, couple of people on the internet hate me and think I'm an asshole (I got quite a collection of those now, I think I'm part of some "usual suspects" for some people now), possibly rightly and I'm in a bad mood for the rest of the night because I let my temper get out of control. I'm the fucking champ. And today already sucked. Go me.

Yeah, the warning tends to be a good gauge of what's the right thing to do or say around here. Glad to see you're understanding it and saying you over-reacted. That's above what a lot of folk might do. Calm, understanding responses to folk are helpful in creating a good, lively conversation, not a storm. I do hope your day turns around though, regardless!

*Sigh* Maybe. And yes, calm people are good for intelligent conversation, but sadly I think I'm not in the right place for that. Things have gotten so divided on this website and I myself get pulled into the sides too. Honestly the fact that I've been part of this website since high school is one of the only reasons I keep coming here. This may sound like I'm lying but even back then I tried to be the calm mediator. Didn't get me anywhere and got a lot of people angry at me. Honestly arguing around here has just turned into a constant strain on your patience.

I'm feeling a bit better already. Sorry for any grief I caused you.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Why does this have to happen in 2016? Why is the 3ds region locked? Why do people have to argue when there's even an infinitesimal chance of censorship like this happenin? Why can't people just agree totake the safe route and be not ok with this just in case?

Ah well I guess I'll youtube the endings and rend the game. Too disappointed to be mad right now.

If you don't feel strongly about this, you're part of the problem and one day it may happen to a game you care about. If you don't care enough about any game to feel it matters more than your sociopolitical agendas and opinions, this is what people pick up when they call you "not a true gamer" and whatnot. It's not your sex or gender or race, it's that.

Hmm...apparently I can be mad too, yay.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Ridiculous, but I suppose the backlash ripples from things like DoA: Extreme Volleyball's latest entry and other Japanese-culture norms being railed against whence localized are bound to happen. Not happy about it, because things have the right to exist for the most part so long as they don't violate certain ethics. I've got my own personal views, but cutting content for the sake of making vocal groups happy is kinda shit.
Blech. I'm just tired as fuck of the over-offended culture that exists today, finding them just as bad as the anti-violent gaming crowd that tried and failed to pull games off the shelf due to content. I won't be buying it, except maybe in a used-copy format. I don't support this kind of thing. If it comes out later that the news is overblown reaction to a few bits being cut, I'll think about changing stance.

 

[Kina]

If you don't feel strongly about this, you're part of the problem and one day it may happen to a game you care about. If you don't care enough about any game to feel it matters more than your sociopolitical agendas and opinions, this is what people pick up when they call you "not a true gamer" and whatnot. It's not your sex or gender or race, it's that.

Hmm...apparently I can be mad too, yay.

People should definitely feel strongly about content getting cut and the best way to voice your opinion is contacting the developer/distributor/localizer regarding those very thoughts. What people need to understand though is what they're voicing their thoughts about. This is not censorship - this is merely the decision to cut content.

Had Nintendo or anyone else made a statement explicitly stating that "we feel like this content wouldn't be applicable in x region", then by all means, censorship petitions ahoy. But.. this is just content cut for who-knows-what-reason.

 

[Zhukov]

Why does this have to happen in 2016? Why is the 3ds region locked? Why do people have to argue when there's even an infinitesimal chance of censorship like this happenin? Why can't people just agree totake the safe route and be not ok with this just in case?

Ah well I guess I'll youtube the endings and rend the game. Too disappointed to be mad right now.

If you don't feel strongly about this, you're part of the problem and one day it may happen to a game you care about.

In my case, it already did once. The Australian release of Left 4 Dead 2 was censored to remove gore, remove the cop zombies and make bodies rapidly despawn. (As in actual censorship, Valve were prevented by a government body from legally releasing the game in Australia in its unaltered state.)

I just refused to buy it. Partly on principle and partly because despawning bodies really irritate me. No big deal.

Still doesn't make me froth at the mouth, tear my hair and rend my garments every time a company alters their own game of their own free will.

If you don't care enough about any game to feel it matters more than your sociopolitical agendas and opinions, this is what people pick up when they call you "not a true gamer" and whatnot. It's not your sex or gender or race, it's that.

Ha. Anyone who throws around phrases like "true gamer" is worthy of nothing but instant dismissal.

Those people can call me whatever they like. I give their views the same weight as I do to the views of the madman who lives at the end of my block and stands in his front yard drooling into his beard and yelling at any Asians who walk past.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

If you don't feel strongly about this, you're part of the problem and one day it may happen to a game you care about. If you don't care enough about any game to feel it matters more than your sociopolitical agendas and opinions, this is what people pick up when they call you "not a true gamer" and whatnot. It's not your sex or gender or race, it's that.

Hmm...apparently I can be mad too, yay.

People should definitely feel strongly about content getting cut and the best way to voice your opinion is contacting the developer/distributor/localizer regarding those very thoughts. What people need to understand though is what they're voicing their thoughts about. This is not censorship - this is merely the decision to cut content.

Had Nintendo or anyone else made a statement explicitly stating that "we feel like this content wouldn't be applicable in x region", then by all means, censorship petitions ahoy. But.. this is just content cut for who-knows-what-reason.

Here's the thing, when people complain about censorship, they don't do it from a place of fighting for their rights. They do it cause it's an undue change that is worsening their games for no reason. Call it whatever you want, I call it undue changes. What we call it doesn't matter, what it entails and what it results in ought to be the core focus of the discussion, not petty semantics from people not really interested in fixing the issue and who don't really care.

Why does this have to happen in 2016? Why is the 3ds region locked? Why do people have to argue when there's even an infinitesimal chance of censorship like this happenin? Why can't people just agree totake the safe route and be not ok with this just in case?

Ah well I guess I'll youtube the endings and rend the game. Too disappointed to be mad right now.

If you don't feel strongly about this, you're part of the problem and one day it may happen to a game you care about.

In my case, it already did once. The Australian release of Left 4 Dead 2 was censored to remove gore, remove the cop zombies and make bodies rapidly despawn. (As in actual censorship, Valve were prevented by a government body from legally releasing the game in Australia in its unaltered state.)

I just refused to buy it. Partly on principle and partly because despawning bodies really irritate me. No big deal.

Still doesn't make me froth at the mouth, tear my hair and rend my garments every time a company alters their own game of their own free will.

If you don't care enough about any game to feel it matters more than your sociopolitical agendas and opinions, this is what people pick up when they call you "not a true gamer" and whatnot. It's not your sex or gender or race, it's that.

Ha. Anyone who throws around phrases like "true gamer" is worthy of nothing but instant dismissal.

Those people can call me whatever they like. I give their views the same weight as I do to the views of the madman who lives at the end of my block and stands in his front yard drooling into his beard and yelling at any Asians who walk past.

While I agree with the sentiment and I'd never actually use that phrasing (ergo the quotes) it does fundamentally point at a thing that exists. I'm trying to focus on this thing as I think it ought to be acknowledged as the reason why we have a lot of tension. It is something I perceive and while my natural reaction is not to go POSER at people, I am not in disagreement with the sentiment behind the uncharismatic terminology. In Greek theres saying that you only hear the truth from a child or a madman, it rhymes there, it was what your story reminded me of lol.

 

[Kotaro]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

I'd like to see some examples, reasoning, and/or an explanation.

Just cutting content for no apparent reason is very worrying.

 

[Fox12]

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Jesus christ man, I'm looking at how the whole exchange is going from this one message. Misou didn't even mention SJW's in their post. You made the assumption that it was about that. Someone doesn't wanna buy a game cause of cut content, that's all there is to it. Why the shit storm? Why? You can't base an argument on assumptions of people's intentions like that. That puts you in the wrong, not them.

Quote: "And a bit of advice. Spend more than half a week on the forums before you start talking shit towards everyone you disagree with." said by you earlier.

And another bit of advice. Maybe take your 4 years here into account. Cause I don't think you should be trying to starting shit with people who didn't even call you out in the first place. Blimey.

OT: Upsetting, yeah. I'd wanna know the reason here. If the game doesn't have the ridiculous grind fest that is the last few hours of the game to get the best ending... Then I'll still buy it. I got more than halfway through Default and didn't do a ton of side questing. Yes, I might be part of the problem. I don't condone this at all, despite not voting with my wallet. I just want a good JRPG to enjoy. And if Bravely Second is better than Default, then I will still want to enjoy it

You know, I don't quite buy that. We all know exactly what Musou meant, and who Musou was talking about. Let's be frank. Musou was talking about anti-GG in general, and almost certainly about "SJW." I can't stand the passive aggressiveness exhibited by some people. Musou doesn't get to throw passive aggressive criticisms at people, and then act innocent when those people become upset. That's worse then just being rude in the first place. Go back and read Musou's opening comment. He was being aggressive from the beginning. This thread isn't even about Bravely Default. It's about digging up old rivalries.

The sad thing is that I would be very sympathetic if certain people had better attitudes. If people aren't flooding to the fans banners, maybe their attitude is a major reason why. Why should the rest of us care about a game we don't intend to buy, when the people who support it are being confrontational? Several people, including the OP, seem to be implying that, if we're not with them, then we're against them. We can't even be neutral. If we are, then its our fault that their game got "censored." And that's fine. They can think that. But don't be shocked when no one cares about their predicament. They don't get to call it a SJW conspiracy when no one's there to help them.

Fans should be trying to pull people together. Instead they're dividing the very community they need to help them, all because they can't let old rivalries die. They have no one to blame but themselves. If the OP had criticized Square, and placed a link to a petition, I would have signed. As it stand, I'll go do something more valuable with my time.

 

[NPC009]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

That makes some sense. It's not uncommon for companies to make changed based on Japanese feedback. They've been doing that since the eighties.

 

[Musou Tensei]

Well congrats, there's still quite a few Japanese games you're going to miss out on because of minor changes that don't really change the overall experience. But hey, if you're going to get hung up on that its your decision.

Technically I don't, if I really want to play a game despite it being censored, I can always buy a used copy from a private seller and play it silently in private.

(And just to clarify, these games change nothing? Not even references and concepts that wouldn't even make sense out of Japan? Not even something as minor as changing a name or the tone of a scene? Would you not buy the game if that happened?)

I will take the freedom to decide this from case to case, but as you said, I am indeed a purist, I want translation to be as close as possible to the original (that means no friggin western internet memes). There is a thing some fansubbers of Nico Nico videos do, they put annotations when they think a reference is too Japanese, that explains what this is about, I'd like to see that in games.

While I love tumblr agendas as much as the next guy, I feel like cutting content due to localization is quite different.

I'm not going to argue that it was a good thing that content was lost, since that's generally not a good thing. Do you know the reasons why said content was cut? Were you there when that decision was made?

Is it still "censorship" if this is a decision made to perhaps better suit a market it's localized for? What if the director of the game has second thoughts and figures that the game would've been more to his liking if it was changed in x or y way?

While I'm sure all this crazy nonsense will fly over at GT; I'd like to think that's not the case here at Escapist. Hopefully.

Then the companies need to communicate that, they need to be honest, but Nintendo keeps quiet, how am I supposed to trust them any longer when it needs outside sources to reveal this shit?
Why can't they just be open with this? "We will bring this game to the west but we have to cut/alter this and that because these reasons" instead of just doing it and hoping that no one will notice or care. I simply can not buy Nintendo and SE games early anymore because I have always to fear that I might have bought an incomplete product, without even the option to add the content later with DLCs.

So I get a warning

Just want to point it out that I never reported you, I'm for absolute free speech as long you don't tell others to bodily harm or kill people or to damage or destroy things that aren't yours. I don't think you deserved a warning for what you said. Tbh I even would go as far as abolishing report buttons, if there really is an issue it should require for the, let's just call it "offended", to take the time and contact a mod directly.

 

[lionsprey]

fucking hell i knew this would happen. you let them get away with the small things and its only a matter of time before they start doing big things. and i was really looking forward to this game as well... i guess i might be able to find a used copy to play if im lucky at least that way the publisher wont get any more money from my purchase.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well they have gotten to know their new audience and the unyielding desire for everything to be "safe", so there you have it Bravely Second: Safe Space Edition.
Next time kids be careful what you wish for.

 

[Wrex Brogan]

...so where's the obligatory 'first they came for our x, but you were silent' post? There's always one. Can't have a proper censorship thread without it.

Happy now? People kept quiet when some skimpy clothes got removed from Fatal Frame 5, people kept quite when NoA removed stuff from Xenoblade X, less but still too many people kept quiet (and even defended it) when Fire Emblem Fates was butchered, and people still kept quiet when Bravely Second got a class changed and clothes altered.
And now "actual" content got cut out for whatever stupid reason, you allowed censorship to happen and gave those companies the signal that you don't care, that it's okay to remove and alter content, now enjoy your award.

...well, that's close enough.

OP: Well, that sucks. Why'd it get removed? What was the localizing team who did it? Do they have a history of doing this? Context is... nice with these kinds of things, since 'shit's been removed' is pretty bare-boned and often results in a lot of knees doing a lot of jerking.

 

[Kotaro]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

I'd like to see some examples, reasoning, and/or an explanation.

Just cutting content for no apparent reason is very worrying.

I haven't actually played the game yet myself, so I'm not 100% sure of this, but from what I have read, the endings to the sidequests were partially determined by your choices during the sidequest itself, but also by at what point in the main story that you decided to do the sidequest, with the best (sidequest) ending locked off unless you wait until a certain point in the plot, sometimes without any real indication that you can or should do this.
I, for one, tend to do every sidequest in a game like this as soon as it becomes available, and I would be rather annoyed in this situation, and that seems to have also been the consensus among many Japanese players.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

He pointed out people who were quiet or accepting of recent changes, which I fall into and more than a few people on this website too. Part of it was the fact that he was taking a shot at quite a few people on this website now but it doesn't really matter at this point. The mods apparently agree with you and gave me a warning for that post and I honestly feel like I deserve it. While I still think I was in the right I the general sense because I feel like he was criticizing me and people like me, there's no getting around the fact that I overreacted.

So I get a warning, couple of people on the internet hate me and think I'm an asshole (I got quite a collection of those now, I think I'm part of some "usual suspects" for some people now), possibly rightly and I'm in a bad mood for the rest of the night because I let my temper get out of control. I'm the fucking champ. And today already sucked. Go me.

Yeah, the warning tends to be a good gauge of what's the right thing to do or say around here. Glad to see you're understanding it and saying you over-reacted. That's above what a lot of folk might do. Calm, understanding responses to folk are helpful in creating a good, lively conversation, not a storm. I do hope your day turns around though, regardless!

*Sigh* Maybe. And yes, calm people are good for intelligent conversation, but sadly I think I'm not in the right place for that. Things have gotten so divided on this website and I myself get pulled into the sides too. Honestly the fact that I've been part of this website since high school is one of the only reasons I keep coming here. This may sound like I'm lying but even back then I tried to be the calm mediator. Didn't get me anywhere and got a lot of people angry at me. Honestly arguing around here has just turned into a constant strain on your patience.

I'm feeling a bit better already. Sorry for any grief I caused you.

Replying to this now cause I ws too mad to read the entire topic last night.

Also, try not to take this as a personal attack, I'm trying to explain something calmly.

My problem with your reaction was nothing to do with how mad you were or how you spoke, it is that you hear a game being butchered, a really great game, sequel to one of the most praised jrpgs of recent times, and instead of being mortified about that your first reaction is to try and defend yourself or sjws or whomever. Who gives a flying fuck man. This all doesn't matter, it pales in comparison to ENDINGS being cut from a Jrpg sequel to a gem of a Jrpg that ended with a cliffhanger. That this is where you would focus is immensely depressing.

Also, I don't think you should have been warned, but too late now I guess.

 

[Fappy]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

I'd like to see some examples, reasoning, and/or an explanation.

Just cutting content for no apparent reason is very worrying.

I haven't actually played the game yet myself, so I'm not 100% sure of this, but from what I have read, the endings to the sidequests were partially determined by your choices during the sidequest itself, but also by at what point in the main story that you decided to do the sidequest, with the best (sidequest) ending locked off unless you wait until a certain point in the plot, sometimes without any real indication that you can or should do this.
I, for one, tend to do every sidequest in a game like this as soon as it becomes available, and I would be rather annoyed in this situation, and that seems to have also been the consensus among many Japanese players.

I hope this is the case. If so, this "rumor" has been horribly misrepresented.

It's starting to sound more like the Devs "enhanced" the game during localization. I believe they made some changes in the original version too.

 

[Lunar Templar]

From what I have heard, this is less intended as censorship and more as addressing a complaint with the game, as a lot of Japanese players seemingly hated the way that the sidequests handled their multiple endings.

I'd like to see some examples, reasoning, and/or an explanation.

Just cutting content for no apparent reason is very worrying.

I haven't actually played the game yet myself, so I'm not 100% sure of this, but from what I have read, the endings to the sidequests were partially determined by your choices during the sidequest itself, but also by at what point in the main story that you decided to do the sidequest, with the best (sidequest) ending locked off unless you wait until a certain point in the plot, sometimes without any real indication that you can or should do this.
I, for one, tend to do every sidequest in a game like this as soon as it becomes available, and I would be rather annoyed in this situation, and that seems to have also been the consensus among many Japanese players.

that ... sounds positively stupid ... I have enough trouble remembering to do all side quests when it doesn't matter (you should see my quest logs in FONV/4 and Skyrim) now they expect me to keep tract of where i am in the plot as well so I can getta good ending?

idiocy. I hope this is the actual reason and they aren't just taking an axe to the game 'just cause'