North Korea threatens the US with a Nuclear War.

[Worgen]

ehh, nothing to really worry about, they N korea bairly has a missile that can reach Hawaii

They're also blowhards.

However, you might be forgetting that they have conducted missile tests where they fired one right over Japan, one of their most critical opponents, and S. Korea has been their most hated enemy for decades. They don't have to reach us to do some damage. China and Russia also defend N. Korea constantly, China having at least 24-40 missiles pointed our way, Russia having more nukes than America, so the worst case scenario is that they nuke and we retaliate, bringing the retaliation of China and Russia upon us...or we just do this:

Which is basically the same thing we did after they blew up a S. Korean ship for no reason.

Im not forgetting anything, what Im saying is the best they can do is maybe possibly nuke hawaii they cant possibly threaten the us mainland really at all, if they pull something then china isnt going to go to their aid, things have changed now, and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claim

You just completely missed my point. They can't hit America, but their allies can. And even though they can't hit America, the can kill Americans in Japan and S. Korea, S. Korea also being an ally.

Oh, and since you want to get nasty about numbers:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7674962/US-has-more-than-5000-nuclear-warheads.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/03/just-how-many-nukes-does-the-us-have/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Happy reading.

their allies can but they wont, if nkorea tosses out a nuke then everyone around it is gonna be like "who? yeah we dont know that guy" but on the other hand if the us invades them before they do something stupid then they will have allies, this whole thing is just about nkorea wearing the big boy pants, besides the number of nukes doesnt really matter much, in the end it doesnt take many to wipe out civilization and we have more then enough for that

Exactly, it's posturing, but threats by NK have been historically backed by either China or Russia or both. My point, once again, is that it doesn't matter if they can or cannot reach Hawaii, they can still hit US soil, and they can still hit allies, and they can still hit our forces if (and that's a huge if) they're doing more than blowing smoke up our asses.

..oh, and if "the number of nukes doesnt really matter much" then why the nasty little "and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claim" remark?

because Ive heard the term missile gap too much so I tend to take it on a bit aggressively despite apparently being wrong about it this time, but still they wont have allies if aa nuke flies, it just wont happen because no one wants to be nuked and I seriously doubt n korea is stupid enough to push the button

I would normally agree, but they sank a S. Korean vessel, and with a change in leadership impending, the madness of K.J.I. should not be underestimated. I sincerely doubt this really will go any further than saber reattling, but they're doing an awful lot to rile the lions.

ehh as I said, if they do something then it will show them to be a bit too insane for their allies and chances are they will end up alone in a very big world that isnt happy with them, as much as the us doesnt want another war Ill bet that russia and china want to avoid one with the us more, after all the cold war went so well for everyone... ok thats not quite true, it was the best thing to happen to alot of countries after ww2 since it ment that both the us and the ussr would be throwing money at them to rebuild in hopes of them going one direction or the other, unlike ww1 when we expected the losers to pay for everything which really contributed to ww2

 

[martin's a madman]

If they fire even ONE nuke, our Airforce will make SURE that there is nothing living in that country. And then after WE'RE done with them, the combined UN force will be there to make sure they don't come out of their underground for another 50 years.

North Korea is an insignificant mouse compared to America.

Them taking over South Korea is about as likely as Canada taking Texas.

Is that a challenge?

 

[Nomanslander]

Would China allow a war between NK and US or would they step in and make shit more complicated for everyone?

No, they won't, I mean where would they export all those "made in china" products then...=/

 

[Littlee300]

In all honesty, your country, if allied with South Korea, may be called in to help soon. Sadly, if an ally calls on you to help, you have to help. If you don't, you'll be labeled as a douchebag by other allies.

You know what? We HAVE helped and it's caused us no end of grief. Fuck it, if America wants to go bombing more small third world nations, I genuinely hope they have the stones to do it alone.

Just... Before America goes charging in (alone, dammit! ALONE! We want no part of this!), just remember that the attitude of "we have more stuff, better stuff, and we genuinely believe that right is on our side" has gotten your arses kicked for almost every war for the last sixty years by peasants with outmoded (and in many cases, utterly improvised) weapons, and this time you're going up against people who have nuclear weapons and the will to use them. Enjoy!

This is a matter of saving South Korea. They (North Korea) have bunkered artillery pointed right at capital of South Korea. I think if I was South Korea I would want someone like US having my back. Granted the threat of violence isn't very effective against insane people but we have offered North Korea to join the UN in New York and a swiss embassy representing the US said we are a consular protective power in this situation.

 

[Ayjona]

If all the US and South Korea needs to do to avoid nuclear war is stop the naval exercise, then to hell with principle and pride. North Korea is not in the right in any way, but in the case of the possible loss of millions of lives, I hope that pragmatism can, uncommonly, be the rule of the day.

 

[Free Thinker]

I'm so ronery, so ronery. So ronery and sadry arone...
Sorry. Couldn't resist. But NK is a laughing stock. They have sub par weapons, even nuclear ones. If the US did invade them, it'd be a slaughter. It'd be like making a giant cyborg bear (US) fight a spider monkey(NK) armed with only a toy pistol that says "Bang" when you pull the trigger.

 

[Littlee300]

Trying to scare the Koreans? Yeah, that's going to happen.

To be honest I'm just worried the UK is going to get pulled into it.

Trust me, that worries me too. This is of course assuming that the US and South Korea can't defeat a tiny nation of insane people by themselves.

You can't ignore China in this situation. I would prefer Hawaii then us invading them because that will piss China off, if we invade first, and China has a lot of nukes. I am not sure but isn't Russia on good terms with North Korea too? United Nations will look angrily at North Korea if they nuke... and UK is a part of UN. I wonder if US would be able to use CIA to assassinate the North Korea dictator then put a puppet on the 'throne' during 'damage control' like someone earlier said.

Ah, fuck it, everyone's screwed no matter what.
I'm moving to Ireland, then I can just sip Guinness while everyone else is blown to smithereens...

Well I just remembered the trade agreements. Thanks to those the chance of China backing up North Korea is very low since we buy all of China's shit. China probably wants the North Korean dictator to shut the fuck up.

 

[Icehearted]

ehh, nothing to really worry about, they N korea bairly has a missile that can reach Hawaii

They're also blowhards.

However, you might be forgetting that they have conducted missile tests where they fired one right over Japan, one of their most critical opponents, and S. Korea has been their most hated enemy for decades. They don't have to reach us to do some damage. China and Russia also defend N. Korea constantly, China having at least 24-40 missiles pointed our way, Russia having more nukes than America, so the worst case scenario is that they nuke and we retaliate, bringing the retaliation of China and Russia upon us...or we just do this:

Which is basically the same thing we did after they blew up a S. Korean ship for no reason.

Im not forgetting anything, what Im saying is the best they can do is maybe possibly nuke hawaii they cant possibly threaten the us mainland really at all, if they pull something then china isnt going to go to their aid, things have changed now, and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claim

You just completely missed my point. They can't hit America, but their allies can. And even though they can't hit America, the can kill Americans in Japan and S. Korea, S. Korea also being an ally.

Oh, and since you want to get nasty about numbers:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7674962/US-has-more-than-5000-nuclear-warheads.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/03/just-how-many-nukes-does-the-us-have/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Happy reading.

their allies can but they wont, if nkorea tosses out a nuke then everyone around it is gonna be like "who? yeah we dont know that guy" but on the other hand if the us invades them before they do something stupid then they will have allies, this whole thing is just about nkorea wearing the big boy pants, besides the number of nukes doesnt really matter much, in the end it doesnt take many to wipe out civilization and we have more then enough for that

Exactly, it's posturing, but threats by NK have been historically backed by either China or Russia or both. My point, once again, is that it doesn't matter if they can or cannot reach Hawaii, they can still hit US soil, and they can still hit allies, and they can still hit our forces if (and that's a huge if) they're doing more than blowing smoke up our asses.

..oh, and if "the number of nukes doesnt really matter much" then why the nasty little "and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claim" remark?

because Ive heard the term missile gap too much so I tend to take it on a bit aggressively despite apparently being wrong about it this time, but still they wont have allies if aa nuke flies, it just wont happen because no one wants to be nuked and I seriously doubt n korea is stupid enough to push the button

I would normally agree, but they sank a S. Korean vessel, and with a change in leadership impending, the madness of K.J.I. should not be underestimated. I sincerely doubt this really will go any further than saber reattling, but they're doing an awful lot to rile the lions.

ehh as I said, if they do something then it will show them to be a bit too insane for their allies and chances are they will end up alone in a very big world that isnt happy with them, as much as the us doesnt want another war Ill bet that russia and china want to avoid one with the us more, after all the cold war went so well for everyone... ok thats not quite true, it was the best thing to happen to alot of countries after ww2 since it ment that both the us and the ussr would be throwing money at them to rebuild in hopes of them going one direction or the other, unlike ww1 when we expected the losers to pay for everything which really contributed to ww2

Yeah, but the worst of that scenario is that there could be no response in kind since it would do too much collateral damage to allies on both sides (S. Korea, Russia, China, Japan). They really can do whatever they want, and expect no equal retaliation. That's been the rock on which they've stood for a long time now.

lol, these quotes are getting insanely large in my inbox.

 

[tetron]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if america had secretly gone ahead with the star wars project. So we just charge into North Korea, and mess their shit up. Then they try to fire a nuke at us and we're just boom, anti-nuke defense system. Stop that shit over the pacific. Then with a smirk we say

 

[Christopher Dudgeon]

Kim jong Il Is possibly the only leader who is crazy enough to actually push the damned button

 

[Last Valiance]

The US didn't really have any reason to go into korea in the 50's besides to attack communists who are apparently all evil no matter the circumstance.

More importantly: How can they hope to scare the koreans? None of this will be broadcast to the population unless it strengthens the party's regime...

 

[sansamour14]

im just worried since i live in CA at least some warheads will hit here

 

[angry_flashlight]

Remember people, despite being a "God-Emperor" Kim Jong Il is this:

Not this:

If he was ^this I would be very, very scared, but he's not.

He's just a petulant dictator yelling "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" over and over again at the other nations of the world, hoping they'll toss him some scraps of food that he can misuse.

 

[unbeatablemoody]

Just because Kim Jong Il is small doesnt give him the right to whack his nukes out whenever he wants...

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

If the Korean War (which is still going on right now mind you, it never actually ended) escalates up into a nuclear war, barely anyone except for local countries are going to get directly hit by any nuclear weapon launched by NK. The North Koreans don't have missiles capable of hitting countries around the globe. What they do have is missiles capable of hitting SK, Japan, China, and Russia. So if the nukes did start a flyin', these countries would be the only ones who are in the direct line of fire.

The fallout of a nuclear exchange on the other hand would have consequences for the entire world. All of the fallout would hit poor SK and Japan, while some more of it would probably cross the Pacific and hit the West Coast of Canada, the US, and maybe Mexico. And there would still be some fallout that would drift around the globe for a while as well. Nuclear war = not good for the World.

Hopefully though if NK decided to haul out the nukes, US forces stationed in SK and Japan would be able to knock down any that were launched (I don't imagine NK tech to be very good). Then I guess some convential strikes would be made to eliminate the NK ability to launch any more. Hopefully the NK back off at this point, but seeing as to which their leaders isn't the sanest man alive, I'd imagine an invasion of NK would be in order. With our current technology, hopefully it wouldn't turn into the horrible slog that it was back in the 50s. Hopefully. Anyway unless China decides to help out NK again (which I doubt they'd go that far) any forces invading would eventually triumph and perhaps help set up a proper goverment.

 

[DarkLight523]

1. The Korean War hasn't ended. There was never a peace treaty signed. It's just an ongoing cease-fire. Neither side recognizes the authority or soverignty of the other.
2. The reliability of North Korean ICBMs is as suspect as the reliability of their nuclear warheads. Back in 2004, the North Koreans detonated a test bomb that was supposed to have been 1-megaton in strength. Seismic estimates from South Korea, China and Japan indicate the blast was actually 25-kilotons.
3. Even China wants North Korea to stay the Hell out of the global news. Every time North Korean hardliners pull stupid crap like this, it gives the US more leverage in any trade negotiations with China. This is because China's North Korea's last ally.

So don't get your knickers in a twist, people. North Korea's threat of war is all because Kim Jung Il wants the trade embargo on Hennessey's liquor to be lifted. (Seriously, they're the worlds #1 consumer of Hennessey's. LoL)

Oh, poor baby Kim, want a dwink of wawa?

 

[8-Bit Grin]

It's just a "who's war-penis is bigger" conflict at the moment. It'll pass.