Not sure I get all the Nintendo Bashing that goes on around here.

[Del-Toro]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

I hate this line of thought. It's the idea that Nintendo, a profit based enterprise,should be unwilling to take a course of action to increase those profits because some of their customers might have their unwarranted sense of self importance hurt. Companies and studios exist to turn a profit. That's why anime studios authorize those disturbing "body pillows" and why developers churn out cheap sequels to well recieved IPs, it's because people buy them, and they turn a profit. The small elite "hardcore" crowd needs to get over itself and stop acting like they keep the industrial giants like Nintndo or Square Enix afloat. You don't, there aren't enough of you to keep small time studios going. They didn't "abandon" you, they just changed their business to serve a wider audience.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers.

abandoned hardcore gamers.

abandoned hardcore gamers.

You're fucking delusional.

 

[Radeonx]

I don't like Nintendo, period. Why do you care TC if a couple of hundred thousand people out of millions don't like Nintendo? Must EVERYONE like Nintendo? Nintendo is not Batman or Jesus...

Because it's the only thing you don't get banned for flaming on these forums. It's bullshit on the mods part.

Um, not true. People who bash Nintendo always do it passively and with wit, for example:

"Nintendo, has become the like an episode of Lost; doesn't know where to go and how to advance.
At first we had gameplay with games like Perfect Dark, which brought new ways to play an FPS and it was extremely interesting, but now, at this point, best they could come up with was Mario getting a cloud costume to cover up holes...talk about being Lost..."

On the other hand, when one wants to bash the Mac:

"Oh, so your copy of TF2 and Portal stopped working? This means you ran out of Gaming-Apple points, you need to buy a PC now..."

See the difference? People who bash Nintendo simply put in more effort, so the Mod's cannot simply say "Hush" and ban them, while on the matter of Mac, it's a clear troll without humor or wit.

Both example aren't exactly stellar, but you get the gist of it, so please, stop generalizing.

So you're saying that it's okay to flame something because you make it witty? That makes no fucking sense, because you are citing one example. If I had the time, or the effort to search through 50 threads, I'm sure 49 of them would have flaming that is either the opposite of what you're saying, or both posts would be equally aggressive.
And the Lost joke is just as witty as the Apple one. You just dislike Nintendo, so you say it is okay to hate on it and flood your examples with your own opinions.

 

[AceAngel]

I don't like Nintendo, period. Why do you care TC if a couple of hundred thousand people out of millions don't like Nintendo? Must EVERYONE like Nintendo? Nintendo is not Batman or Jesus...

Because it's the only thing you don't get banned for flaming on these forums. It's bullshit on the mods part.

Um, not true. People who bash Nintendo always do it passively and with wit, for example:

"Nintendo, has become the like an episode of Lost; doesn't know where to go and how to advance.
At first we had gameplay with games like Perfect Dark, which brought new ways to play an FPS and it was extremely interesting, but now, at this point, best they could come up with was Mario getting a cloud costume to cover up holes...talk about being Lost..."

On the other hand, when one wants to bash the Mac:

"Oh, so your copy of TF2 and Portal stopped working? This means you ran out of Gaming-Apple points, you need to buy a PC now..."

See the difference? People who bash Nintendo simply put in more effort, so the Mod's cannot simply say "Hush" and ban them, while on the matter of Mac, it's a clear troll without humor or wit.

Both example aren't exactly stellar, but you get the gist of it, so please, stop generalizing.

No, no they don't I don't know what topics you go to, but it's clearly not any of the nintendo ones on this site, hell it's rarely even in nintendo hate topics, you can make a topic about a nintendo game and you'll get these people there for absolutely no reason. It's always full of shit like this topic "THE WII IS STUPID AND FULL OF SHOVELWARE FOR BABIES." Congrats on having an opinion, if you said anything like that about the 360 (It's shittily made and full of shooters for morons) you'd be banned without any say in the matter, but you can flame the wii and nintendo as much as you want and you will never, ever, get probated, banned or suspended on this site unless you go "overboard" and call another user a fanboy or something.

Then I have no clue what you're talking about, honestly I don't.

I see Halo bashing, I see Valve bashing, I see Yahtzee bashing, I see Maya bashing, I see Nintendo bashing, but nothing on the level you said.

Also, what about this topic here? : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.205549-Why-did-I-buy-monster-hunter-tri#6938415

I guess you just need to know which topics are made for bashing and which are not. I mean for example, I could make a Valve topic right now and steer it a certain way, but still...

Honestly, I would it has more to do with the Nintendo user's themselves, they simple over-react to everything and anything, Monster Hunter Tri- Video by Yahtzee was the perfect example of how they all went Jihad on him just because he didn't like them game.

 

[Jumpman]

Nintendo deserves respect if for no other reason than we probably wouldn't be playing video games now if the original nes hadn't brought us out of the eighties arcade crash. As far as America was concerned, gaming had been a passing fad and they might well have been right if it wasn't for a clever marketing strategy on nintendo's part (namely, changing the perception of the console from a computer to a toy, and forcing the stores to carry it if they wanted to sell any teddy ruxpins)

regardless of which of the big three you prefer now, the very existence of gaming in its modern form owes allot to the plumber.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Um, no, Nintendo never "went casual". Even if they didn't fail out of the console market, they made excellent Wii games like Mario Galaxy and its sequel, Metroid Prime 3, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and many, many upcoming games like Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Metroid: Other M.

 

[Jumpman]

I don't like Nintendo, period. Why do you care TC if a couple of hundred thousand people out of millions don't like Nintendo? Must EVERYONE like Nintendo? Nintendo is not Batman or Jesus...

Because it's the only thing you don't get banned for flaming on these forums. It's bullshit on the mods part.

Um, not true. People who bash Nintendo always do it passively and with wit, for example:

"Nintendo, has become the like an episode of Lost; doesn't know where to go and how to advance.
At first we had gameplay with games like Perfect Dark, which brought new ways to play an FPS and it was extremely interesting, but now, at this point, best they could come up with was Mario getting a cloud costume to cover up holes...talk about being Lost..."

On the other hand, when one wants to bash the Mac:

"Oh, so your copy of TF2 and Portal stopped working? This means you ran out of Gaming-Apple points, you need to buy a PC now..."

See the difference? People who bash Nintendo simply put in more effort, so the Mod's cannot simply say "Hush" and ban them, while on the matter of Mac, it's a clear troll without humor or wit.

Both example aren't exactly stellar, but you get the gist of it, so please, stop generalizing.

So you're saying that it's okay to flame something because you make it witty? That makes no fucking sense, because you are citing one example. If I had the time, or the effort to search through 50 threads, I'm sure 49 of them would have flaming that is either the opposite of what you're saying, or both posts would be equally aggressive.
And the Lost joke is just as witty as the Apple one. You just dislike Nintendo, so you say it is okay to hate on it and flood your examples with your own opinions.

agreed. that a pretty general statement to make with only two examples which may or may not even be real.

 

[AceAngel]

I don't like Nintendo, period. Why do you care TC if a couple of hundred thousand people out of millions don't like Nintendo? Must EVERYONE like Nintendo? Nintendo is not Batman or Jesus...

Because it's the only thing you don't get banned for flaming on these forums. It's bullshit on the mods part.

Um, not true. People who bash Nintendo always do it passively and with wit, for example:

"Nintendo, has become the like an episode of Lost; doesn't know where to go and how to advance.
At first we had gameplay with games like Perfect Dark, which brought new ways to play an FPS and it was extremely interesting, but now, at this point, best they could come up with was Mario getting a cloud costume to cover up holes...talk about being Lost..."

On the other hand, when one wants to bash the Mac:

"Oh, so your copy of TF2 and Portal stopped working? This means you ran out of Gaming-Apple points, you need to buy a PC now..."

See the difference? People who bash Nintendo simply put in more effort, so the Mod's cannot simply say "Hush" and ban them, while on the matter of Mac, it's a clear troll without humor or wit.

Both example aren't exactly stellar, but you get the gist of it, so please, stop generalizing.

So you're saying that it's okay to flame something because you make it witty? That makes no fucking sense, because you are citing one example. If I had the time, or the effort to search through 50 threads, I'm sure 49 of them would have flaming that is either the opposite of what you're saying, or both posts would be equally aggressive.
And the Lost joke is just as witty as the Apple one. You just dislike Nintendo, so you say it is okay to hate on it and flood your examples with your own opinions.

I didn't say it was OK, I just said that's how you avoid the Ban-Hammer, period. Also, I gave those two example and specifically stated that "they weren't stellar examples", but you can't deny the fact that Mac and PC users tend to go for the 'bum' joke without atleast trying to spice things up.

Also, please double check, the Lost one was less aggressive then the Mac one by a good few margins, if you can't figure out why, then I can't help you mate, I'm not going to spend my whole day giving your a 4Chan'esque lesson on how to troll with and without style under the English language.

Also, I DO NOT HATE Nintendo, I simply don't like them. I also don't like Sony nor MS. Please, careful on what you say I said, not liking and hating, while on the same area of words don't give the same level of loathing for a specific item, just for the record.

 

[Lexodus]

i play games for a couple of reasons.
point 1 being fun, for long times (2-6 hours plays) and it mustn't get repetitive.
point 2 blood and violence or "healthy competetion". yeah yeah, i know, but i added this, because combine it with story, and it works for me. gritty, bloody and "realistic" it's all fine combined with 3
oh sure, my favourite game is tf2, which is colourfull and bloddy, and kinda cartoonish, but it has humor, which brings me to
3 humor. these games can be childish, gritty, but Humor is an almost must in a game. without humor a lot of games would be less appealing, like tf2, portal, fallout. it would be only gritty and realistic. and blowing up enemies witha satisfing "KABOOOM hahaha" isn much funnier as just blowing them up
4 other. for other fun things

mostly the games i own combine my 3 points or sometimes 4,. wii games (in my opinion) have 1, and sometimes 2 of my points. but no Wiigame has 3. and definitely all 4
(+ i don't own a Wii, and not having something makes it less fun)
yay for fun!
this is my opinion to disliking the wii

*EDIT* please do not quote me. i know this is flawed in a lot of aspects, but this is how i choose to see it
also i dislike motion sensors in general. i prefer plain buttons

I have literally NO idea what you just said.

 

[Radeonx]

I don't like Nintendo, period. Why do you care TC if a couple of hundred thousand people out of millions don't like Nintendo? Must EVERYONE like Nintendo? Nintendo is not Batman or Jesus...

Because it's the only thing you don't get banned for flaming on these forums. It's bullshit on the mods part.

Um, not true. People who bash Nintendo always do it passively and with wit, for example:

"Nintendo, has become the like an episode of Lost; doesn't know where to go and how to advance.
At first we had gameplay with games like Perfect Dark, which brought new ways to play an FPS and it was extremely interesting, but now, at this point, best they could come up with was Mario getting a cloud costume to cover up holes...talk about being Lost..."

On the other hand, when one wants to bash the Mac:

"Oh, so your copy of TF2 and Portal stopped working? This means you ran out of Gaming-Apple points, you need to buy a PC now..."

See the difference? People who bash Nintendo simply put in more effort, so the Mod's cannot simply say "Hush" and ban them, while on the matter of Mac, it's a clear troll without humor or wit.

Both example aren't exactly stellar, but you get the gist of it, so please, stop generalizing.

So you're saying that it's okay to flame something If I had the time, or the effort to search through 50 threads, I'm sure 49 of them would have flaming that is either the opposite of what you're saying, or both posts would be equally aggressive.
And the Lost joke is just as witty as the Apple one. You just dislike Nintendo, so you say it is okay to hate on it and flood your examples with your own opinions.

I didn't say it was OK, I just said that's how you avoid the Ban-Hammer, period. Also, I gave those two example and specifically stated that "they weren't stellar examples", but you can't deny the fact that Mac and PC users tend to go for the 'bum' joke without atleast trying to spice things up.

Also, please double check, the Lost one was less aggressive then the Mac one by a good few margins, if you can't figure out why, then I can't help you mate, I'm not going to spend my whole day giving your a 4Chan'esque lesson on how to troll with and without style under the English language.

Also, I DO NOT HATE Nintendo, I simply don't like them. I also don't like Sony nor MS. Please, careful on what you say I said, not liking and hating, while on the same area of words don't give the same level of loathing for a specific item, just for the record.

You should be careful what you say I said, if you want me to do the same.
I never said HATE, I said DISLIKE, and I understand the Lost joke, I just find it stupid.
Secondly, I never said that one of those two were more aggressive than the other, I said that most of the time, it is like that. I wasn't using specifics.
I bolded the parts I'm talking about to make it easy.

 

[Jumpman]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Hang on. We're going to call Nintendo making Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, a sell out, while we are going to call Sonic Team making Sonic Unleashed "going down respectably?" Want to rethink that statement?

Nintendo did not "Abandon" Hardcore gamers. You want shooty fun action? Play Metroid Prime: Corruption, in my opinion the best use of motion controls to date, and a fantastic game even when held up against the earlier metroids, which were hardly farmville.

Your argument to me sounds like the fan of a band who accuses the band of "selling out" because they are no longer starving artists. Nintendo is still making the great games. They are also making the "toy" games for the casual crowd. Did you expect them to stay exclusive to you? A bit naive, given that you are paying for the relationship.

I'm saying that while they went causal to avoid their consoles failing, Sega went Dreamcast and failed with honor.

the reason dreamcast failed was that sega burned its target audience by releasing multiple peripherals and additions to their previous consoles that didnt work with each other, had very view actual games, and cost allot of money. by the time they created the dreamcast, people were too fed up to buy it (a shame). it has nothing to do with honor, quit being so melodramatic.

Further more, I would argue that nintendo didn't sell out hardcore gamers because they never targeted them in the first place. their most successful games to date involve a plumber who likes to play dress up, an elf who hangs out with fairies and plays a flute, and a fox who can fly spaceships. Nintendo has never attempted to appear hardcore and therefore cannot be accused of "abandoning" anyone.

 

[lifesucksadapt]

I think youve got the wrong site to argue this on, the escapist is full of people who just loooooooove nintendo and there billion rehashes especially scince e3, people hate on nintendo because they are the sell out company who decided that they would start the casual gaming revolution for the soul purpose of rakeing in billions of dollars.....and they succeded.

 

[Mike Richards]

I only have one problem with Nintendo.

I like the idea of the Wii, and I think it has a lot of gameplay potential. I'll admit that if gaming is every really going to grow it's going to have to start being a lot less intimidating to newcomers, so if they want to focus on casual crowd that's fine. And now that the Move is coming out the more 'hardcore' titles can relocate there and leave the Wii to do it's thing (Personally I think the Kinect is kind of stupid).

My only problem is Zelda. Mario is fine what it is; it's repetitive but comfortable with itself. Metroid is not only comfortable with itself but keeps making changes to what itself is, with things like Prime (Which made significant changes even within it's own run) and the new emphasis on storytelling in Other M, due in part probably to the fact that Nintendo has been giving the series to other people to make since Fusion.

But Zelda always reaches for a level of epic adventuring that it's lack of solid story and terribly written dialogue just can't support. Ocarina was good yes, very much so, but the level of story was very different in '98 then it is now, and the series quite frankly just never grew up. From what I've seen so far Skyward Sword looks like it continues even farther down that path with new controls being the entire focus of their presentation and brighter cartoonier graphics, which I don't think is quite the right move here.

And yes, there are plenty of things that bug me about the other major players, mostly with Microsoft and Activision. Don't even get me started on Activision...

Edit: I think I should clarify that the only reason that Zelda's deficiencies are a problem for me is because of how sainted everyone makes it out to be. If people didn't care as much nether would I.

 

[Negdaen]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Respectfully you say? Any Sonic game released outside of a Sega made system proves that wrong. And I'm not dissing on Sonic. I had some good times with Sonic in the day. But, Sega has taken the Blue Rad Hedgehog from our childhoods and made him into a 2 dollar whore. And as Stan Smith said: "The Dollar is weak right now, so that's an insult." Sega has publicly acknowledged that Sonic games now suck and that they won't do shit to make them better because they will sell no matter what. And yes, there are other Sega games out there, and I've played them, but none of them so far has made me regain respect for Sega. Respectfully? No sir, I disagree.

 

[Woodsey]

People hate on Nintendo because it's trendy to hate on Nintendo.

In another fifty years, they'll all be singing a different song when titles like Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Metroid are looked upon the way that Moby Dick and Tom Sawyer currently are in the literary sphere.

No it isn't and no we won't.

OT: I can't be arsed to outline the reasons (I basically did that just now on another thread), suffice to say I'm still bitter from paying £180 (waaaaay too much) for a big white paper weight and 2 dildos.

Along with so very many, I sold it on a few months later.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Respectfully you say? Any Sonic game released outside of a Sega made system proves that wrong. And I'm not dissing on Sonic. I had some good times with Sonic in the day. But, Sega has taken the Blue Rad Hedgehog from our childhoods and made him into a 2 dollar whore. And as Stan Smith said: "The Dollar is weak right now, so that's an insult." Sega has publicly acknowledged that Sonic games now suck and that they won't do shit to make them better because they will sell no matter what. And yes, there are other Sega games out there, and I've played them, but none of them so far has made me regain respect for Sega. Respectfully? No sir, I disagree.

Well, Sonic Colors will probably be decent, at least.

 

[SovietSecrets]

I don't hate or bash Nintendo, but I do believe (I just said it like 5 minutes ago) they are too timid to step out of the Zelda/Mario/Metroid games. Granted they are not half bad, but think of what else they can do. It feels like thats the only thing thats keeping the Wii afloat now, just those three.

 

[Stalias]

I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't care is Nintendo spits out the same game over and over. I loved Mario 64, I loved Mario Galaxy, and Galaxy 2. If they made Mario Galaxy 3, I would still buy it and enjoy it. I love the Donkey Kong Country games, and DK64. The bongo games ruined the series, but the return of DK Country is awesome. I look forward to it and it's probably many sequels. Metroid games are always fun. Other M looks a little weird, but I'm sure I'll like it if I can get used to the controls. LoZ is awesome. I don't care if it's the same process every time, multiple dungeons with an item you need to get through it and to the next one, because the process is fun.

tl;dr I like Nintendo games. Even if they use the same formula as they did in '92, I still enjoy them.