The_root_of_all_evil said:
And, god forbid I bring this into it, but are girls to have any say in this?
I agree. If all somebody has to do is watch video of the streets in cities of Japan to see that there are just as many girls that are caught up in all the technology and whatnot. And even if they are not, what are they doing when such guys are out in the world doing things like shopping for things they want or getting food, are they staring at these guys flipping their lips with their pointer finger and going, "duuhhh, what am I to do."
I really feel there is still too much of an expectation that a guy be the initiator of a relationship. In a lot of cases, it is still like that in the US as well.
I mean some guys, even me, can be oblivious to the fact that a girl might like him and be open for a relationship. In college, I had several girls that were friends, or at least we had a talking rapport, but if they were interested in a relationship, I wouldn't have known. I even think some girls think that talking to a guy is enough, but it isn't.
Some guys are different, I'm one of those that is different, I rather people initiate things with me. I'm a horrible initiator.