Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault
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Why is that when a woman is distressed, all sense goes out the window?
The thing that pisses me off is that you people are getting assed up over a person who may or may not exist. All we know is that the alleged "assaulter" is supposedly an Asian man. Do you have any idea of how many people are observably Asian men? This shit is exactly why I think it's best for people, who were allegedly sexually assaulted, to shut the fuck up and just let a professional law enforcement officer handle this situation. If the cops don't help you, then tough shit. What we don't need are fucking vigilantes accosting Asain men based on a intoxicated woman's claim.
Did anyone stop and think that if the security guard actually followed up on this intoxicated person's claim that she might point out the wrong person?
I'm suspicious of the legitimacy of her story. The race baiting bullshit is really questionable. There are several red flags throughout what has been reported.
The thing that pisses me off is that you people are getting assed up over a person who may or may not exist. All we know is that the alleged "assaulter" is supposedly an Asian man. Do you have any idea of how many people are observably Asian men? This shit is exactly why I think it's best for people, who were allegedly sexually assaulted, to shut the fuck up and just let a professional law enforcement officer handle this situation. If the cops don't help you, then tough shit. What we don't need are fucking vigilantes accosting Asain men based on a intoxicated woman's claim.
Did anyone stop and think that if the security guard actually followed up on this intoxicated person's claim that she might point out the wrong person?
I'm suspicious of the legitimacy of her story. The race baiting bullshit is really questionable. There are several red flags throughout what has been reported.
It is rather amusing isn't it, kinda makes me want to get a drink just so I can spit take at some of the comments. I think the skepticism kinda just disappeared. Maybe we missed out on when someone bribed everyone to stop being smart so that the internet will be more amusing.Deviate said:
Someones gotta wrestle them bears, else they'll think we gone soft and declare war.
I do find it a bit hard to believe.
Alone in the VIP section?
... I'm not sure that's how VIP sections work, but, okay, sure.
I mean, I'm sure we must have a camera or something watching the door, so, can't be that hard to find out who the accused is, it's literally just "The person that walked in after that girl".
Also, not sure why there were no camera in the section itself...
Maybe it's "The kind of place".
And then we have the "Drunk Asian Man" Who apparently caused so much shock the women completely forgot how to describe him and took an unspecified amount of time to realize she'd be "Sexually assaulted".
And then to complete the trio of unfortunate circumstances, the security guard didn't believe her.
This makes the least sense to me.
Look at the reactions this thread had caused simply from hearing it in the first pass.
It seems very unlikely to me that a security guard would just shrug it off when, surely they must have a damn camera there to check.
Added to that, if you've already come this far and decided you've been sexually assaulted, why would you then just give up after talking to some random security guard? You'd call the cops, talk to somebody higher, not just "Go home and post it on the internet".
It seems too improbable to me. If there's footage of it that gets discovered or some guy comes forward and confesses, then fine.
But, it seems too much of a vague story of unfortunate turns of events to hold any weight to it.
Alone in the VIP section?
... I'm not sure that's how VIP sections work, but, okay, sure.
I mean, I'm sure we must have a camera or something watching the door, so, can't be that hard to find out who the accused is, it's literally just "The person that walked in after that girl".
Also, not sure why there were no camera in the section itself...
Maybe it's "The kind of place".
And then we have the "Drunk Asian Man" Who apparently caused so much shock the women completely forgot how to describe him and took an unspecified amount of time to realize she'd be "Sexually assaulted".
And then to complete the trio of unfortunate circumstances, the security guard didn't believe her.
This makes the least sense to me.
Look at the reactions this thread had caused simply from hearing it in the first pass.
It seems very unlikely to me that a security guard would just shrug it off when, surely they must have a damn camera there to check.
Added to that, if you've already come this far and decided you've been sexually assaulted, why would you then just give up after talking to some random security guard? You'd call the cops, talk to somebody higher, not just "Go home and post it on the internet".
It seems too improbable to me. If there's footage of it that gets discovered or some guy comes forward and confesses, then fine.
But, it seems too much of a vague story of unfortunate turns of events to hold any weight to it.
Ladies, and I'm speaking as a guy here, if someone did that to you and you don't like it, know all too well that you now literally have the fate of his manhood in your grasp.Rocklobster99 said:
Since you seem to be at the core of a lot of criticism I've received, and seem pretty smart from a lot of things I've seen you write (even if we're on totally opposite end of the spectrum on political and social beliefs it seems) I'll put it another way:Boudica said:
If you were in this situation how would YOU handle it.
You take the girl's word for it without any kind of proof, and what's going to happen is at the very best your going to get a repremand, in all likelyhood your going to get fired. The reason is quite simple, you call in a bunch of security and remove a guy from the party your going to make a scene, and not only risk the hosts wanting their money back, but also a situation where this guy can potentially go after your boss for harassment. Remember you've got nothing on this guy, for all you know this is some girl he just dumped and she's pissed and trying to get back at him, people try and use security and similar groups as tools in situations like this all the time.
If you actually see something, or get a pattern of complaints, that's differant, and as I believe I pointed out your probably going to make note of the guy, watch what he does a little bit, and see if there are any other complaints about him.
Like it or not you can't jump blindly into every complaint of mild sexual harassment like gangbusters, and if YOU paid for the location and security and we ruined a big part of it by walking this guy out (which probably means causing problems with any friends he's with as well) given a complete lack of proof, you'd probably be POed. It's one thing to sit here detached from the situationa and say "I'd do this" or "I'd want it to happen that way" after the fact, but when your actually there it's far differant. What's more you wouldn't want security to act on you based on what might be a baseless complaint, would you want a guy you just dumped to claim you stuffed his hand down your pants or whatever and see you walked out purely on his say so without any proof of observation? That's exactly what this is.
I'm not a troll, and while cynical, I did do exactly this kind of thing for 10 years involving parties, nightclubs, and crap going on in hotel rooms you wouldn't believe due to everything attached to the casino (though for the most part security is quiet and boring to be honest). What's more, I know if you were actually there you would have done exactly the same thing this security guy did. Doing the job and pointing fingers at someone are two entirely differant things.
Of course to be cynical to an extent the security guy is doing his job right now, since really when you get down to it security's job is to hold up a uniform and take the blame for what goes wrong. It can be argued that acting as a liability/blame shield for his boss and a cross departmental scapegoat is kind of the point at a fundemental level.
See, the thing to understand is that security has no real authority, even on an Indian reservation where we could have potentially taken people into a back room and beat them with rubber hoses for lulz given the right policies, Security is basically a deterrant and doesn't have any real police authority. Ultimatly you act as a representitive of the property owner, but only with whatever authority the property owner gives you via his own internal policies, which usually involves having anything substantial being handled at a higher level. Meaning as security you basically walk around with a radio and maybe stand in front of people, you generally can't grab people and toss them around, you have no authority to confine/arrest people, or anything else. Anything you can do is usually 100% situational.
Part of the logic for this is of course rather cynical as well, see a casino or other business would rather occasionally deal with a few lawsuits for things gone wrong, and blame security, or even in the case of a casino lose a few million dollars in insured money (in real life not that much is on site) than deal with 10x that in lawsuits from people being handled without proof, not to mention the bad reputation, since nobody wants to go to a business where they risk being handled by thugs.
Now of course there are more than a few things I'm NOT saying here, but that's the basics of security operations and the idea of deterrant based non-authority.
You might not like this, but that's how a general security guard should have handled the situation. Had they actually seen this, or if there were witnesses other than a he said vs. she said situation, things might be a bit differant. If you expect hotel security (which isn't even Casino security in this case) that probably doesn't even have Tribal employment to fall back on, to goonishly grab the guy and skid him face first out onto the aphshalt, or take him into a back room and unceremoniously start popping his fingernails with a flat head screwdriver, then you've seen too many Hollywood versions of this. Stop and think about you being on the potential receiving end of this, and you'll understand why.
That said there are some security departments you really, really, do not want to genuinely piss off (which is beyond the context of this kind of incident).
My thoughts exactly.vivaldiscool said:
Put yourself in her shoes, juxtapose the gender of the offender if you wish, and how would you feel? It sucks that the security guard blew it off, and it'd definitely mess with your head, but it doesn't say anything about you, it's all on him.
Honestly doing anything right now is pointless and won't do a thing.
Drunk girl tells a security guard that some dude did sexual assault after the suspect left without any proof, witnesses or even a good description of the suspect.
Yep, blaming the security guard for not doing anything to a person who left already and with a description that matches dozens of people on the party is the right thing to do.
Drunk girl tells a security guard that some dude did sexual assault after the suspect left without any proof, witnesses or even a good description of the suspect.
Yep, blaming the security guard for not doing anything to a person who left already and with a description that matches dozens of people on the party is the right thing to do.
OH SHIT EVERYONE GET DOWN!, NOTCH IS PISSED! OFFICE NINJAS RETREAT! i say again RETREAT!
-dives down and takes cover-
-dives down and takes cover-
yeah, she deserved what she got considering she didn't run around telling every authority figure within a mile radius of her being violated. seriously, why wouldn't she run straight up to a stranger and recount something she wants to forget as soon as possible? women, you know?matthew_lane said:
Don't go to parties with a bunch of strangers.
Don't drink yourself into a state of mild inebriation if you do go against common wisdom, and do go to parties with a bunch of strangers.
This especially applies to parties associated with video games. I mean, have you seen what people pass off as perfectly normal / acceptable behavior online? Now put them in a room with alcohol.
Don't drink yourself into a state of mild inebriation if you do go against common wisdom, and do go to parties with a bunch of strangers.
This especially applies to parties associated with video games. I mean, have you seen what people pass off as perfectly normal / acceptable behavior online? Now put them in a room with alcohol.
Eeeeeeehhhhh. I feel that's a bit strong considering the nature of parties with alcohol involved. The whole hand on bare dick thing is obviously waaaaaay out of any sane tolerance. I find that every person has a limit on what they consider "Okay" flirting. Again, hand on bare dick is probably never going to be an advance that is acceptable.(I say probably because there are a hell of a lot of people in the world and one of them may very well consider that an acceptable advance.)Boudica said:
In addition to what a person considers an "Okay" flirt to receive, they also have an idea of what is an "Okay" flirt to give. In my experience I find that these things may or may not vary depending on the groups and cultures and everything. I've been at parties where nearly everybody was on somebody else by the end and I've also been at parties where people went home and nobody had sex for a week afterwards because of the lingering lack of sexual tension. If you mix these two groups together and add alcohol, you'd probably end up with many offended people at the end.
Many parties mix together people and alcohols of different lifestyles and intensities, many times, bad things happen. Most often is loud arguments between two drunk people. It's nearly inevitable that somebody will throw out a flirt that is "okay" to some but not "okay" to others. The worst case scenario is when a person from one extreme throws a flirt to a person of another extreme. For instance, dirty talk, which is considered sexual harassment when it's unwelcome, is still flirting. There are plenty of "moves" meaning physical touch that are flirtatious without being "hand on bare dick" and are fair game with a particular type of person. They range from Dick and Jane to James Joyce's dirty letters or; putting your arm over somebodies shoulder and holding hands or even just touching somebodies hand a specific way to undoing somebodies belt while talking to them or for the inconceivably forward, a straight up, no bullshit plunge of the hand down the pants. The last one actually happened to a friend of mine at a hotdog stand after we left a bar.
Unwelcome attention is when somebody throws a flirt and the receiver isn't okay with it. That happens very often at parties to different degrees. Obviously this situation is the result of a series of more and more extreme flirts that weren't welcome that eventually ended in an extremely lewd act that viciously alienated it's intended aim. I say that unwelcome attention is a common occurrence at parties, but for Therumancer to say that this is in the same boat as unwelcome attention is too far a stretch. The problem is with the classification not the broad assessment.
Unfortunately he does have a point as far as evidence is considered; no witnesses, no hard evidence,(unless there are security cameras) both parties are under the influence etc. She could be trolling. WE have no evidence either. The proper course of action though is to report it to the police, not shrugging.