Nvidia Says PS4 and Xbox One Are Good News For PC Gamers

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Eddie451

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I've been saying this ever since the new consoles were announced, finally gunna get extreme high end games that actually have optimization to not run at 30fps on top of the line hard ware.
 

iniudan

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Strazdas said:
iniudan said:
You forgot one thing PhysX will not be relevant anymore due to this console generation all having AMD GPU. Why would developer go through the trouble of integrating physX on the PC version of their game, when that solution will be unable to work on their console version. Game developer will either go with a non-proprietary hardware physic solution or an AMD solution this time around.
Except that PsysX is superrior to what AMD came up with. or your implyign that develoeprs are moeny grubbing freed driven peopel who do not care aboutr quality? everyone act surprised now please.
Most physX element I saw to this day sucked or were gimmicky, one of the few game I can think of that used it well is Mafia II.
 

RJ 17

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Strazdas said:
RJ 17 said:
Strazdas said:
RJ 17 said:
My biggest one? How many times did the PS3 get hacked and have countless users' information stolen? 3 or 4 times, right? I hope they've got their security situation sorted out.
I remmeber2 hacks, of which only 1 was confirmed to have information stolen. They supposedly upgraded since (not to say not going to happen again) and kinda did a huge sorry event. Still, everyone can get hacked. everyone.
Very true, just saying that Sony already has a precedent for it while I don't recall it ever happening on the 360. I'm not saying that, as it stands now, the PS4 isn't the console to go with if you're going console. But I've always just been a little bit timid due to the fact that there seems to be (or at least seemed) that there's a lot of drama surrounding the PS...for example, the Skyrim DLC being up in the air for months. I can only hope that developers will see that the consumer choice is the PS4 and will as such tailor their products to better fit it rather than the 360. Of course THAT is, itself, most likely just a pipe-dream. I'm banking on the devs and publishers being the greedy SOB's they are and going where the money is, which at this point appears to be lining up to buy a PS4.
i beleive there were couple times they crashed XBL, though no data stealing as far as im aware.
no console is the console to go to at the moment. a lto of drama came from horrible way they designed PS3 making it a hell for programmers to port stuff to. now that PS4 is clsoe to PC design (you know, the things they programm it on to begin with) and Xbone seems to claim it has "unique cell based CPU, which reminds me of the PS3 "unique design" talk, the tables will be switched.
if PS4 will take majority of 360 players now, the developers WILL focus on it more, just like any developer for PC focuses for WIN first and other OS later, sicne WIN takes over 90% of the market.
Yeah, getting back to my original point, I'm one of the many that's strongly considering finally making the jump to PC. Just gotta save up enough money to get a decent rig...which might be tough considering I got laid off last week. xP

If I do end up going console, it's definitely going to be a PS4 if for no other reason than to "vote with my wallet", as the saying goes. I refuse to reward MS purely on the principle of how awfully they're handling this whole deal. Internet connection isn't a problem for me, but even I was greatly offended at the pure snobbish arrogance of Mattrick coming straight out and saying "Fuck you if you don't have a good connection, we DON'T want your money."
 

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Strazdas said:
Which implementation of PhysX are you talking about? The CPU-bound one that many PC games utilise, or the GPU-bound one that about 30 PC games utilise?
 

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Norix596 said:
Honestly I don't care about graphics wars. I played recent AAA games on my 360 because my laptop isn't a gaming PC by any stretch (I understand it has a virtual software as opposed to physical graphics card) but I've been using Steam a lot in the past year or two for older games just because it's so much cheaper and convenient. Turns out Mass Effect 2 works ok on my computer with the settings turned down enough. With the news out on the Xbox One I had decided I was not buying one. Now I'd like to play new AAA games going forward so I might want to invest in a slightly higher ended PC (as I said, I don't care if graphics settings are all the way down if the game runs without stuttering). I took a look at the PS4 (since neither have backwards compatibility anyway) but I honestly can't see any advantage at this point that consoles would be holding for me over PC gaming except that for some games I'm going to have to deal with Origin. However since I would have to deal with Xbox One anti-consumer nonsense if I stuck console, I don't see a huge edge.

Anyone have recommendations for a lower end gaming laptop that would be able to run near future games with lowered graphical settings?
What your price range ? Also I actually suggest to wait to buy, to tell the truth, has we don't know the PC spec required for game that will also release on the next gen console.
 

Lightknight

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Exactly. Better games for the pc and we should begin to see the market progress in hardware since games are the only thing really pushing the market forward with video editing not increasing in resource demands at the same rate as games.

Though, this will also mean that your 8GB i7 machine will become average or even perhaps inferior in just a few years.
 

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Griffolion said:
Strazdas said:
Which implementation of PhysX are you talking about? The CPU-bound one that many PC games utilise, or the GPU-bound one that about 30 PC games utilise?
GPU bound one, has CPU bound one is not PhysX. =p
 

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iniudan said:
They are both PhysX. How else do you suppose that games that use the PhysX API's can also be played on AMD cards? Such as Metro: 2033, and Mafia II, etc. Answer: a stripped down, bare-bones version is ran on the CPU that is enough to satisfy API calls, but doesn't give any of the extra fidelity that full GPU bound games do.
 

Norix596

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iniudan said:
Norix596 said:
Honestly I don't care about graphics wars. I played recent AAA games on my 360 because my laptop isn't a gaming PC by any stretch (I understand it has a virtual software as opposed to physical graphics card) but I've been using Steam a lot in the past year or two for older games just because it's so much cheaper and convenient. Turns out Mass Effect 2 works ok on my computer with the settings turned down enough. With the news out on the Xbox One I had decided I was not buying one. Now I'd like to play new AAA games going forward so I might want to invest in a slightly higher ended PC (as I said, I don't care if graphics settings are all the way down if the game runs without stuttering). I took a look at the PS4 (since neither have backwards compatibility anyway) but I honestly can't see any advantage at this point that consoles would be holding for me over PC gaming except that for some games I'm going to have to deal with Origin. However since I would have to deal with Xbox One anti-consumer nonsense if I stuck console, I don't see a huge edge.

Anyone have recommendations for a lower end gaming laptop that would be able to run near future games with lowered graphical settings?
What your price range ? Also I actually suggest to wait to buy, to tell the truth, has we don't know the PC spec required for game that will also release on the next gen console.
Um I'm not really sure but I certainly want it under $1500 -- under $1000 would be preferable-- I'm not sure if I'm totally out of the ballpark on what gaming PC's cost as I've never been in the market for one before.
 

iniudan

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Norix596 said:
iniudan said:
Norix596 said:
Honestly I don't care about graphics wars. I played recent AAA games on my 360 because my laptop isn't a gaming PC by any stretch (I understand it has a virtual software as opposed to physical graphics card) but I've been using Steam a lot in the past year or two for older games just because it's so much cheaper and convenient. Turns out Mass Effect 2 works ok on my computer with the settings turned down enough. With the news out on the Xbox One I had decided I was not buying one. Now I'd like to play new AAA games going forward so I might want to invest in a slightly higher ended PC (as I said, I don't care if graphics settings are all the way down if the game runs without stuttering). I took a look at the PS4 (since neither have backwards compatibility anyway) but I honestly can't see any advantage at this point that consoles would be holding for me over PC gaming except that for some games I'm going to have to deal with Origin. However since I would have to deal with Xbox One anti-consumer nonsense if I stuck console, I don't see a huge edge.

Anyone have recommendations for a lower end gaming laptop that would be able to run near future games with lowered graphical settings?
What your price range ? Also I actually suggest to wait to buy, to tell the truth, has we don't know the PC spec required for game that will also release on the next gen console.
Um I'm not really sure but I certainly want it under $1500 -- under $1000 would be preferable-- I'm not sure if I'm totally out of the ballpark on what gaming PC's cost as I've never been in the market for one before.
Ok feel free to PM me then, has to not derail the tread. It possible to find something, without too much trouble, in those price range. Just give me more detail of what you want like screen size, minimum resolution, any need of an actual battery duration (for non-gaming task while on the move), need to plug it to the external monitor and other thing like that you can think of.
 

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The ironic thing is, if there were no consoles around to drag the bar down, we wouldn't have to wait 8 years for that "bump" to continue to push forward with the raw computing power available to us. Funny, that.

Lightknight said:
Exactly. Better games for the pc and we should begin to see the market progress in hardware since games are the only thing really pushing the market forward with video editing not increasing in resource demands at the same rate as games.

Though, this will also mean that your 8GB i7 machine will become average or even perhaps inferior in just a few years.
I look forward to upgrading my i7 to an i9 or i11.
 

Jamous

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Let's be honest; Nvidia may have lost out with the consoles, but they're hardly going anywhere.
 

tardcore

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No, it will be great for Nvidia because they can hack out some more overpriced "cutting edge" cards that no PC gamer really needs, since most of our games are still going to be the weak sauce shitty console ports we always get.
 

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WROOOOONG!

PS4's switch to off-the-shelf PC archiecture is the good news, yes.

Micro$oft's not so much. They gave zero positive news. Their hardware was already fairly compatible with the PC. What we DO know about M$ is that they have tried to stifle and dry out the PC market for the last 7 years. Sometimes even directly, but usually with the usual bogus by keeping their dev's tied to X-clusives. Sure, they've made plenty of assurances that they are coming back to PC gaming... when the new OS's are about to be released and Steam made headlines. But their attempts have yielded piss-poor results (GfWL, DX exclusivity) bordering on being insultingly hypocritical.
Microsoft WILL keep on attempting to choke out the PC fatty while they have a console on the market.

Jamous said:
Let's be honest; Nvidia may have lost out with the consoles, but they're hardly going anywhere.
While true that it's a significant loss, they have held the upper hand on the PC market for quite some time and garnered plenty of technologies and good reputation from many industries that AMD/ATI just don't have.
It'll be interesting to see whether AMD/ATI's problems will still plague the consoles. They too have a reputation of sorts.

tardcore said:
No, it will be great for Nvidia because they can hack out some more overpriced "cutting edge" cards that no PC gamer really needs, since most of our games are still going to be the weak sauce shitty console ports we always get.
Uhh, you misunderstand greatly. That excess power is not going to waste. It will allow developers to use new techniques, abstracting and automating many processes. Meaning better looking games and shorter development cycles.
 

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Twenty Ninjas said:
"I'm glad that the new consoles are here", he says,


"because then devs will make games that require more expensive hardware (and then port them to PC) and that directly translates into more people buying our more expensive products".

Big duh on that one.

Good news? I dunno. Depends on point of view. I was quite enjoying all these games coming out that still work perfectly okay on my 8800GTS512. Not gonna be the case for much longer.
My thoughts exactly. It's pretty good news for Nvidia and their peers, but for me it means a large part of gaming slowly slipping out of my reach.
 

ItsNotRudy

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Twenty Ninjas said:
"I'm glad that the new consoles are here", he says,


" into more people buying our more expensive products".
More expensive then.. what? Nvidia is lonely at the top when talking about the more powerful cards. Also CUDA.
 

Little Duck

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I kind of don't like this. It's always the lower spec computers that suffer when it comes to graphics and considering most nowerdays out power a 360 or ps3 they really shouldn't. It's like designers get lazy when designing for pc.
 

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Charcharo said:
Ehh I guess they are right. No, really. HOWEVER forget about graphics and focus on AI please...

Anyways, I do not get the hate AMD are getting. My gpu is still working, never had a problem and it plays games quite well on DX11 High-Very High settings. Not to mention it is affordable. Only thing I cant use is, admitedly, the PhysX option, but it does not seem all that impressive or unachievable on different physics engines.

So, anyways, as far as I am concerned, Nvidia=AMD for GPUs. Especially if both are priced well and perform well.
Not to mention AMD GPUs are actually pretty good. The Radeon 7970 when properly clocked (most can take 1100mhz on core without even adjusting voltage), meet or beat the Nvidia gtx 680 while costing less. At least that was the case when I bought mine, I think the newer cards have brought the gtx 680 down in price.