Obama is a Fascist and a Communist?

[Flac00]

communism and facism are Two extremes of political thought...

Funny thing is when you go to the extreme of left or right the philosophies end up similar, partly I think, to the rigid thinking required to adhere to these thoughts....one thing similar to both is the belief that state is more important than the individual and in that many obama critics feel he is making the state too strong through policies such as healthcare reform and intervening too much in the lives of private citizens... now the irony that many of these same people voted for the bush administration which put out the patriot act which ran roughshod over the constitution far more than anything obama has put forwaed is not lost on many. unfortunately as well many of americas flaws come from too much emphasis on the individual over the state, almost the polar opposite of comunism and facism

YOU ARE THE MOST REASONABLE PERSON HERE!
I am not being ironic, seriously. The fact is that the people who say Obama is a fascist and communist, or just one of those does not know what they are talking about. In fact, many of Obama's policies were put forward by well known republicans like Reagan and Mcain. A lot of what Obama is doing is moderate and neither Leftist or Rightist (if that is a word). The only reason people hate him is for 2 reasons. 1: They listen to the lies put out by Rush Limbough, Fox News, MSNBC (yes i know they are liberal) and by any other radical news organization. People hate Obama because they are either ignorant or have some sort of subconscious reason. Which brings me to 2: they have racist undertones. I'm not saying all or even most are racist, but there are some things that lead to it. Thinking he is a Kenyan, a terrorist, the antichrist, etc. is all based on racism. You (generic person) might not be, but certainly a lot of other people might be.

The strangest argument i heard was that he is a socialist, (which he isn't) the person who states this will then lecture me about communim...and will not except there is a difference...
sure the nazi's and communists labeled themselves socialist but they are to socialism what evangelical christianity is to moderate christianity or wahabism (apologies if i spelled that wrong) is to moderate islam.
Obama is probably the most left-leaning president america has had for a while but it shows More that america is to the right of centre than it does obamas politics when he is labelled socialist

I know. It is stupid how some people confuse the two. No socialist government has ever truly existed also. Socialism is like Utopianism, in concept it is the greatest government in the world, no abuse, no poverty, no unfair wages, but in practice it will either completely fall apart or devolve into communism.

 

[Flac00]

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I am going to have to deal with both of you at the same time now because this denial is getting frustrating. I trust you know what the Guadian is, yes?

Well here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

This contains proof that many corporations FUNDED Hitlers rise to power so they could reap the rewards of Fascism as a corporation and also that George W. Bush's grandfather was helping the Nazis too, now if you know anything about George W. Bush's grandfather you know that he, and many other big business owners, attempted to stage a coup in America to force a fascist regime for their benefit with the help of one General Smedley Butler... however Gen. Butler wouldnt stand for it and did quite the opposite.

There, now are you done?

I don't know if i can repeat myself any longer. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE CORPORATIONS BENEFITED FROM THE FASCIST REGIMES. IT IS STILL A FASCIST POLICY TO USE GOVERNMENT DIRECTIVES TO CONTROL THE PRIVATE MARKET.

And you absurd shot at W. Bush is just plain immature. We get it, everybody hates him, but he wasn't a Nazi.

I don't care about the George Bush thing, but the policy to use government directives to control the private market does not lead to fascism, fascism is government, the derivative thing is economic policy, different.. Also Obama is not controlling the private market. He is REGULATING systems set in place by past presidents. In fact, what Obama is doing is certainly not as radical as what many other presidents have previously done. If it is fascism, then we've been a fascist country since the 1700's, and if I remember, we are a republic.

 

[Flac00]

Good list. I applaud the clarity of your definitions.

And ironically, people criticized him for not immediately condemning the incident when It isn't his fucking job.

He is our Commander in Chief, and part of our country's face to the rest of the world.
His job is not to just wag a finger at whatever CNN says he should.

The oil leak disaster is immense, yes, but I literally sighed as hard as I can remember when people complained about his policy towards that.

People, the President is not the King of America; stop blaming him for things that aren't related to him or his job. He is not a fascist. He is not a communist. For every "evil law" he has proposed for our country, I can think of one from any previous president in my lifetime.
It shows just how immature our country is when we're still bitching about how much melanin people have/don't have in the 21st century.

Obama is as much the USA's savior as he is our first "Hitler".

This is why I hate politics. All it amounts to is a bunch of flies in suits all fighting over the same pile of bullshit.

TLDR; rants ahoy. Just ignore it.

Thank you kindly, finally... someone who isnt going to bite my head off just because I can see the flaws in capitalism and how exploitation of said flaws can lead to even more terrible events than have already happened.

Woo reason

 

[Flac00]

i'm from USA... USAnian? and i do believe that obama is at the very lease, socialist, as he is constantly trying to be robin hood, (stealing from the rich, giving to the poor) but he is also trying to support corporations... he just doesn't want them to keep all their money.

No he isn't. I can respect your views but don't call him a socialist, he is nothing like one. He isn't "robin hooding" (even though robin hood is supposed to be a hero) because he has never "stolen" money from any wealthy person and given it to the poor. I'm sorry but raising taxes for the people who SHOULD have higher taxes then the poor because it is both moral and impossible for the poor to pay it is not socialism, it is morality. As one person who I completely forgot the name of or even who the possibly could be said: "History judges us on not how our wealthy exceed, but how our poor survive".

 

[VincentMm]

Neither of the above!