Obama may re-instate the ban on assault weapons.
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They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.LimaBravo said:
Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?
Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.
Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!
Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
Are you planning on overthrowing the fuckin U.S government with your AR-92s and SPAS-12s and your poker buddies?Vern said:
C'mon.
Of course Obama is talking about banning assault weapons. Next, he'll ban hunting firearms too. It's one of the steps needed for total control of a people by a socialist government. It's hard to rule the people when they can still fight back. This kind of thing is exactly why the writers of the Constitution put in the amendment to protect the citizens right to keep and bear arms. They'd lived in countries in Europe where the crowns didn't allow them to have weapons and didn't want to have to endure that in the New World. What they didn't forsee, was that in the future, the politicians and far too many of the citizens would choose to ignore the Constitution and give up their rights anyway. The U.S. is going to turn into the very sort of socialist state that it's founders escaped from in the first place. Sad really.
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I'm another gun nut. I have several firearms, including an AK that I put together myself. Obama himself doesn't have the right to ban firearms, it has to go through Congress first. 
Plus, it's gotta be full auto to be a true assault weapon!
OK, my pedantic self aside, I agree that there's no real good reason for anyone to have an assault-type weapon (at least not 'till SHTF, in which case you'll wish you had one.) Then again, there's no good reason for anyone to have a sports car able to do 200mph. There's no good reason for people to smoke, no good reason for them to drink, no good reason for vice in general. Civil liberties are a ***** like that.
Here are my real arguments: There are already assault-type weapons in the civilian market, and those cannot easily be taken away. All the AWB did was forbid the sale of vaguely-defined assault weapons, it did not take them from people's hands. This is because it's probably impossible. A new AWB would probably have the same effect. A little late for that when you already have all these weapons around, no?
Next, like I said, an assault weapon when it comes to such legislation is vaguely defined. Hi cap mags are one thing, and though I hate having to load dozens of little mags, I agree they are unnecessary. But what else constitutes an assault weapon? Detachable mag? Flash hider/muzzle brake? How is an AK with a small cap mag or an SKS any different than a hunting rifle? A firearm with a 10-round fixed mag is just as lethal as one with a 30-round detachable mag, and stuff like adjustable stocks and barrel extensions are really just laughable to ban. What, the criminal is not going to commit a crime if he's ergonomically uncomfortable? The 'ideal' weapon for AWB proponents would be a single-shot .22, and even THAT is still lethal.
So my view is don't beat around the bush. Either try to ban firearms outright or live with the status quo. Also, FWIW, I don't think Obama's administration is going to attempt to go for the ban quite yet, if ever. There are far more pressing problems right now. There are speculations that he'll try after the midterm elections, but I don't buy it. I'm more pissed at the ridiculous price of ammo thanks to my more paranoid peers.
Plus, it's gotta be full auto to be a true assault weapon!
OK, my pedantic self aside, I agree that there's no real good reason for anyone to have an assault-type weapon (at least not 'till SHTF, in which case you'll wish you had one.) Then again, there's no good reason for anyone to have a sports car able to do 200mph. There's no good reason for people to smoke, no good reason for them to drink, no good reason for vice in general. Civil liberties are a ***** like that.
Here are my real arguments: There are already assault-type weapons in the civilian market, and those cannot easily be taken away. All the AWB did was forbid the sale of vaguely-defined assault weapons, it did not take them from people's hands. This is because it's probably impossible. A new AWB would probably have the same effect. A little late for that when you already have all these weapons around, no?
Next, like I said, an assault weapon when it comes to such legislation is vaguely defined. Hi cap mags are one thing, and though I hate having to load dozens of little mags, I agree they are unnecessary. But what else constitutes an assault weapon? Detachable mag? Flash hider/muzzle brake? How is an AK with a small cap mag or an SKS any different than a hunting rifle? A firearm with a 10-round fixed mag is just as lethal as one with a 30-round detachable mag, and stuff like adjustable stocks and barrel extensions are really just laughable to ban. What, the criminal is not going to commit a crime if he's ergonomically uncomfortable? The 'ideal' weapon for AWB proponents would be a single-shot .22, and even THAT is still lethal.
So my view is don't beat around the bush. Either try to ban firearms outright or live with the status quo. Also, FWIW, I don't think Obama's administration is going to attempt to go for the ban quite yet, if ever. There are far more pressing problems right now. There are speculations that he'll try after the midterm elections, but I don't buy it. I'm more pissed at the ridiculous price of ammo thanks to my more paranoid peers.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
How does that apply to keeping assault rifles, or hell even a tactical shotgun for home defense?
How does that apply to keeping assault rifles, or hell even a tactical shotgun for home defense?
"How shall I hunt bears and shoot foreigners without my AK?!"
Seriously, who's complaining about civilians not having automatic/high-calibre weapons?
Because every country needs an army of untrained, undisciplined, unarmoured and paranoid militiamen who can be outclassed in every aspect by a standing army.
Seriously, who's complaining about civilians not having automatic/high-calibre weapons?
Because every country needs an army of untrained, undisciplined, unarmoured and paranoid militiamen who can be outclassed in every aspect by a standing army.
I'd like to see you snipe someone with a fuckin' rock, mate.Samurai Goomba said:They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.
Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?
Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.
Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!
Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
Oh come now, with your argument I could head all the way up to nuclear weapons and ridicule the fact we aren't allowed those.Samurai Goomba said:They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.LimaBravo said:
Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?
Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.
Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!
Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
There is clearly a link between how lethal a weapon is, and the how available it should be to the public.
Seriously.Gormourn said:I wasn't aware that a rock was as deadly as a gun at any range. Also, I suggest you also remove all your limbs and your head because they are potentially lethal weapons. Hur hur!Samurai Goomba said:They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.LimaBravo said:
Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?
Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.
Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!
Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
Isn't it a great argument?
No.
I believe we need to have hand grenades.
I mean, we can't have a militia without hand grenades.
A militia won't just start up.
How can we militia...things without the proper hand grenades?
We can't regulate our well regulated militia. It says so in the piece of paper written 200 years ago.
I'm all for the ban of assault weapons. Why would people need an easier way to get someone shot in the head? If you're gonna have a weapon, learn how to use one properly and let it be a simple weapon in that case, like a handgun. I'll admit, guns are kind of fun (when you're at a shooting range), but some people are forgetting that they're for protection, not fun or sending to Mexico. Obama sees to it that the misuse of assault rifles will stop.
