Obama Wins!! (moderator supported thread)
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Heh I hated them both and now it's over. Liked Mccain a bit more though since he seemed to have more.... personality than Obama
Happily till obama screws up though I'm gonna get some NEW AND INTERESTING NEWS!
whoot that the reporters are going to have to find something ELSE to report on.
Happily till obama screws up though I'm gonna get some NEW AND INTERESTING NEWS!
whoot that the reporters are going to have to find something ELSE to report on.
Okay I have seen some mis-information and questions on what Obama stands for. Now I say ignore what he says and look at what he has done. Through these sites you can find lots of information that should answer any of your questions.
Information on him
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=9490
Voting record in congress (full)
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Voting record on major issues (condensed)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
A fun test but I don't think it has much in the way of accuracy
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html
Information on him
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=9490
Voting record in congress (full)
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Voting record on major issues (condensed)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
A fun test but I don't think it has much in the way of accuracy
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html
I like how people hated America for their leader.
Hate the people for not voting. I think the voter turnout this year was, what, 4 Million?
There are towns here that have DOUBLE that number.
Hate the people for not voting. I think the voter turnout this year was, what, 4 Million?
There are towns here that have DOUBLE that number.
That has nothing to do with being Patriotic, why would the CIA, people who work for the president, and are PAID BY HIS OFFICE, kill him?theEstablishedToad said:
If you're going to be a good little conspirator, blame The Masons, or the Illuminati, like every other conspirator.
That's why McCain seemed very energetic, and had no health concerns except for a minor case of skin cancer (Which, LOLOL isn't hard to cure nowadays).Duskwaith said:
Stop parroting biased news.
That said, I voted for Bob Barr.
In my opinion, it's unfortunate, but my generation (Late 1980's, early 1990's) mostly voted for Obama. I wish they would realize a few things about his policies that ARE inevitable (Such as prices being raised to compensate for his tax plan), but, whatever. People can be happy, and in four years, I'll try to get a Libertarian in power.meece said:
Screw that... though I honestly believe that the neo-conservatives did America no favours on its own merits, in most cases that's not the reason us "furriners" are sending congratulations. I suspect the reason most of the world is rejoicing at an Obama victory is that they're hoping this guy won't deal with other nations according to the previous administration's "squeal like a pig, boy" school of diplomacy. Roveian politics treated the rest of the world as a treasure bag to be looted as quickly as possible, with no consideration of long term effects and a naive worldview in which "for us or against us" were fixed instead of dependant upon fair dealing.Seekster said:
The reason much of the world watches is, frankly, you've got our money; we've given it to you in the form of trade deficits and international lending. If you default, we're hosed, so in our opinion you have a fiduciary duty to us and we're exercising due oversight.
I'd also deeply appreciate it if Yanks would leave off the "American supremecist" rhetoric; y'know, we have patriots who love our countries too who don't appreciate the arrogance and narrow-mindedness inherent in that position. Canada, for one, has spent the past couple centuries fighting damned hard to not become the "51st state", including two full-blown wars... and we don't share that "shining city on a hill" clap-trap so beloved by those wrapping themselves in the Stars and Stripes.
Deal with us as friends, instead of balky servants, and maybe we won't feel so much schadenfreude over the downfall of your far right lunatic fringe.
-- Steve
While I don't share Seekster's sentiment, I think you may have misunderstood him. To me, the implication wasn't that America was superior to other countries, merely that other countries were patronizing us, as though we were an errant child that had finally listened to Daddy.Anton P. Nym said:
Personally, I see only compliments from concerned friends.
They see me trollin', they hatin'...theEstablishedToad said:
Alright, let's pretend that both candidates have risks and benefits, and that squabbling over it now would accomplish nothing. Yay pretending!quickpaw said:
Just quoting the first post to essentially open my string into this thread of conversation. Personally, I'd prefer Obama's plan to McCain's, and I'm glad he's projected to win it. That being said, I'm curious to see how much of this Hope he's been pushing is going to come out now that he's in the hot-seat (IE, the Oval Office).Black Lincon said:
Ultimately, I think this is probably for the better, but it's faaaar too early for me to say for sure.
Footnote:
People who are making a big deal out of the first Black President are making a bigger deal out of this than it should be. Obama's got a clean slate to me, he's a president, done. If he screws up, it won't bar me from electing a different black person years down the road, nor will it make me never vote for a black dude again.
I judge people on their character and qualities, not their genetic history. Or gender, for that matter.
The reason Obama didn't get more than 52% of the popular vote is because this is less about race and more about science vs anti-science. The Evanglists voted McCain, but in some odd miracle didn't win it for him like they won it for Bush. McCain pushed pro-life and Christianity so hard it won the votes of everyone who couldn't see past their faith.
Not to be any way for or against anything I said here, but really, this election came down to Palin being perfect religious soccer mom and McCain feeding off it like a plague and Obama being something fresh and new that all the younger generation wants. We did a vote in my history class and out of 30 students (only one IB history class) only 2 would vote Republican, and the election followers on the other side of the room were looking for fresh meat. Course, this is Canada.
Summary: This election was a lot about secularism and striving towards it.
Not to be any way for or against anything I said here, but really, this election came down to Palin being perfect religious soccer mom and McCain feeding off it like a plague and Obama being something fresh and new that all the younger generation wants. We did a vote in my history class and out of 30 students (only one IB history class) only 2 would vote Republican, and the election followers on the other side of the room were looking for fresh meat. Course, this is Canada.
Summary: This election was a lot about secularism and striving towards it.
We DO know better. Sorry,but you voted in Bush... TWICE! The world had their eyes on this election to see if you'd just vote in a Bush clone or not. Now we congradulate America because we know that you finally did something right. Plus, what else are we going to be watching? Paint dry?Seekster said:
crimson5pheonix said:Oh i know that, i was implying about the idiots who think we should be able to own AK's and M16's and what not. but hey like i said, i was a wee bit drunk last nighthungoverbear said: