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My biggest concern about Obama (as a conservative republican) is about the president after him. Nearly all of his policies give more power to the federal government. Even if you assume he Obama will use it properly (a hefty assumption), how do we know the next president won't abuse the federal power Obama accrues?
Sorry, the point I was trying to make was that people are so phyched about him that he could get away with a lot of things and still be trusted. I don't think he'll declare martial law or anything like that, although he will certainly go afer our 2nd amendament rights in some way.axia777 said:
We most definitely DO question Bush constantly, but a good part of that is because he's unpopular and the news corporations want money. That crap, it's worth noting, was done by and large by his cabinet. The fact that said questioning did nothing is a failure on the part of the government, and we as the american people must do something about that. The fact is, if everyone continues to love Obama, yet he makes poor desicions, you end up with a POPULAR president Bush. Can you say, "Clusterfuck?"
I didn't exactly care who won for president. I hated both Obama and McCain. Maybe Obama will be a good president but I got this feeling... I think Obama is gonna end up getting assassinated. It's not like I'm a bigot or anything, I just think that some crazy white guy who isn't ready to accept the fact that we can have a black president, while probably pull a nutty and shoot the guy.
I don't know what to say. I sorta did and didn't want obama to win. I think his idea's on the economy plan well, more so decent than whatever the hell maccain's-to-be-vice-prez was saying (I actually used to like maccain but come on...you practically let palin run the show.)
I've personally been very pessimistic about where America has been and where it will be. if he does a good job (mainly leave Iraq and the palestinans alone get back to making democracy work in the USA) then kudos to you.
also, two skinhead already tried to assassinate obama, I love Feds.
I've personally been very pessimistic about where America has been and where it will be. if he does a good job (mainly leave Iraq and the palestinans alone get back to making democracy work in the USA) then kudos to you.
also, two skinhead already tried to assassinate obama, I love Feds.
ThisAdmiralMemo said:
I can't believe the prevelance of stupidity still out there.
Its a nations population that makes it what it is. If your country is a failure, you're as much to blame as your leader. A leader is simply a representative and figurehead.
If your figurehead is a racist moronic old boy who lives in fear of 'the enemy' then that is what your country will come to represent.
Mythbhavd said:
So duPont, in order to maintain a consistently high profit margin, laid off your father... and that is the government's fault how?
Large corporations should be taxed heavily, especially those that are benefiting from years and years of tax payer funded infrastructure.
I'm not sure where these mentality of 'large corporations rule' comes from. Large corporations got that way by feasting on the ideas and methods of smaller corporations and gorging themselves until they become so bloated and unstable that they eventually collapse, lay of 15% of their employee's and blame the govt.
In short Govt rules... small corps and individuals rules... big corps fail.
As an all-around people hater, I hope he does terrible. Mostly because he's a politician and I loath politicians with the passion of ten thousand fiery suns. The last eight years have been awesome for me, because I wished the same thing on Bush.
Yes, because a man with his incredible amount of experience is just what we need in the economic crisis. Yes, because a man taught by Communists is the right choice in a Capitalist based society. Yes, because a man that cannot think for himself, that must be in front of a TelePrompTer at all times has the ingenuity, intelligence and ability to lead us. Yes, because a man that thinks there are 57 states is the exact role model for young people. Yes, because the "change we need" is the reinstitution of the cabinet and policies of the Clinton Era. Yes, because a man that doesn't even realize that he's the most powerful man in the world is holding the keys to our future. Yes, because since his campaign was so good he absolutely cannot fail. Yes, because a man with such little grip upon world issues is the right man for the job. I could keep going, but I don't feel the need to. Wait I've got another more. Yes, the Community Organizer from Chicago with connections to terrorists and slum crime lords, that has less time in the Senate that I do with playing Halo 3 is a much better choice than the decorated war hero whose faced the darkest of times and come through with honor and humility, and who has spent an incredible amount of time serving this country. A man who's only criticisms were that he was "old" "just like Bush" (which isn't true at all, merely left wing propaganda) and "can't use a computer" (because the injuries sustained during the five years he spent in hell in a Vietnamese prison camp with his fellow men have rendered him unable to use a keyboard.)
I hope that Obama is the greatest president ever, but I know he won't be. His policies have been proven time and time again to be failures, what policies he has ever expressed. He lacks the understanding, the humility, the experience, the courage, the temperance, the morality, the honesty, and the character to succeed. While I believe that Obama may very well be a "smart" man, a good father, and a charismatic speaker (when he's been told what to say) he was not the right man for this office.
Don't get me started on Socialized Medicine. When you break down the people that don't have healthcare very few actually cannot afford it. A 1/5 or so are illegal immigrants, nearly half are those who willfully refuse it because of a feeling of "immortality" due to young age. Another part of the demographic are people that are so incredibly wealthy they don't need it. And if people can't afford it but still need an operation or are sick they do not have to pay. Why do you think so many Canadians come to the U.S. to have surgery? Socialized healthcare adds a massive amount of patients at one time, causing overcrowding, and long waiting lines. Substandard hospitals, poorly equipped facilities, and doctors that are underpaid spawn out of it. By the way, the massive tax increase that comes along with all of this means it isn't fee anyway, you just get around 26 billion extra in money paid to the government.
Obama isn't the solution. Bush strengthened our defense, but did little on the home front because of his massive spending. However, Obama's policies are no different, the first thing he wants is a trillion dollar bailout! There are a number of ways to accomplish this. One, print more money, inflation rises. Two, tax more, you voted for this guy people. Three, go farther in debt to ourselves. I'm sorry, but I cannot put faith in this man.
Sources: http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n1.pdf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
I hope that Obama is the greatest president ever, but I know he won't be. His policies have been proven time and time again to be failures, what policies he has ever expressed. He lacks the understanding, the humility, the experience, the courage, the temperance, the morality, the honesty, and the character to succeed. While I believe that Obama may very well be a "smart" man, a good father, and a charismatic speaker (when he's been told what to say) he was not the right man for this office.
Don't get me started on Socialized Medicine. When you break down the people that don't have healthcare very few actually cannot afford it. A 1/5 or so are illegal immigrants, nearly half are those who willfully refuse it because of a feeling of "immortality" due to young age. Another part of the demographic are people that are so incredibly wealthy they don't need it. And if people can't afford it but still need an operation or are sick they do not have to pay. Why do you think so many Canadians come to the U.S. to have surgery? Socialized healthcare adds a massive amount of patients at one time, causing overcrowding, and long waiting lines. Substandard hospitals, poorly equipped facilities, and doctors that are underpaid spawn out of it. By the way, the massive tax increase that comes along with all of this means it isn't fee anyway, you just get around 26 billion extra in money paid to the government.
Obama isn't the solution. Bush strengthened our defense, but did little on the home front because of his massive spending. However, Obama's policies are no different, the first thing he wants is a trillion dollar bailout! There are a number of ways to accomplish this. One, print more money, inflation rises. Two, tax more, you voted for this guy people. Three, go farther in debt to ourselves. I'm sorry, but I cannot put faith in this man.
Sources: http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n1.pdf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Okay, I just had to call you on this one. No "Reganite" is responsible for taking the U.S. off the Gold Standard. That was the sole doing of a one Franklin Roosevelt, and consequently a one Lyndon Johnson for taking the U.S. off the silver standard as well. If I really wanted to (and I DO), I could lay the blame for the entire nation's inflation problems on these two presidents, both democrats.TerraMGP said:
Woah woah woah there captain awesome. The campaign is over. Obama won. The fight was well fought but you can get off your soap box and go home now. I mean, the 57 states youtube link? Really? Don't forget the interview when he says he's a Muslim by mistake but the cropped video cuts him off. Uh-oh! Gotcha' Obama! Freudian slip!captain awesome 12 said:
We can tell you'd love to go back to those moments just before it was clear Obama landslided McCain but let's try to move on now ok?
Anyways, I have no doubts that Obama will be a great president. Certainly his term will probably never equal the theatrics of his campaign, but political theatrics is not what America needs right now. (And that's why Sarah Palin, who promised much theatrics in years to come, didn't help her candidate win after all.) What America needs is a diplomatic and forward thinking leader and that is exactly what Obama is. He has me convinced that he can make the right decisions when to make them and I'm patiently waiting for his taking office so all these "grar! McCain shudda wun!" yokels can sit down and watch a real leader get things done.
from 1946 to 1971 we were put back on a gold standard until it was eliminated by the administration under Richard nixon. Even though Reagen claimed to be a proponent of the gold standard the people he appointed to a commission on it were staunchly against it, meaning that he is responsible for swatting down the attempted reform during his administration. Fact of the matter is that between that and his short sighted economic policies that were more or less borrowing on the future and giving the Fed even more power. In short yes he put the final nail in the coffin of the gold standard in spite of his supposed defense of it, and whats more the economic advisers of his administration stood the most to gain from it because they could keep pushing these policies that thrust us further and further into potential debt and caused inflation to grow by making a false boom without any real economic bonus. Reagen looks good because of the practices that have led us to having problems now, the gold standard would have hurt him anyways. Granted he himself was nothing more than a figure head but the people he appointed and the attitude of the era are the things that have put us in the most trouble now, be it arming our current foes to put stress on the communists, using poor/ill informed translations of the bible to justify establishing Israel where it did and thrusting support at them or turning our entire nation into one huge irresponsible teenager with a credit card.matrix3509 said:
Is it just me or did the Clinton Era offer the first budget surpluses after a string of deficits by Republican Presidents? If you're so worried about spending you only need look at the Republican Presidents - they are in recent history far more likely to have a higher debt to GDP ratio.captain awesome 12 said:
You people must hope the Obama administration is as good as the Clinton administration. the biggest economic expantion, lowest unemployment ratings, biggest percentage of U.S citizens under health care. you have to stop painting everything Democrat or Republican. your whole system is archaic and rotten within. what sensible human being allows himself to have only two choices on who will run the country? And the tragic part is that you are the leaders of the Western world.
I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that if gov't rules, then individuals rule. That isn't the case. Large government has never led to success of individuals or small corporations. The more government interference in business; the more difficult it is to run a business. The problem with huge tax rates on large corporations is that, once they're taxed out of business, who's left to tax? The smaller corps and, when they're gone, the individuals. High taxes are never the answer to fiscal problems. Lowering taxes is one of the answers to beginning and sustaining financial recovery. Eliminating unnecessary and unneeded government programs is another. Encouraging people to learn how to manage their money responsibly is another.DrHobo said:
I'll say this again. There is nothing wrong with a business making money or the owners of the business keeping wealth accrued from running a successful business. The point of starting and running a business is to make money. Government receives more money when it lowers taxes because more taxes are paid. Let me say that again. Government receives more money when it lowers taxes because more taxes are paid.
When taxes are high, businesses do the only logical thing to keep afloat. They raise prices on their products and cut labor force to maintain a workable profit margin. No, it's not good for the employees, but the owners have to do something to attempt to stay afloat. So, consumers have to pay more for products that they once could afford. They cut back their spending to items of necessity instead of items of luxury. This means that government makes less money in taxes because less is being spent. The natural inclination of many in government who have forgotten basic economics is to raise taxes so that they can get the money flow back up to where they want it to be. So, prices are raised again, more are laid off, and taxes go up again until a financial failure happens that is much worse than the simple one we're facing is.
When taxes are low, supply and demand determine more of the price of a product than tax rates do. When a person has more of their income to spend, they spend more of their income. The same is true of businesses. If a business is only paying 20-30% of it's income in taxes, it has more money to invest in expansion, hiring new employees, affording better health care programs than the government can supply, and paying its employees more. If it's paying 70%+, a business owner WILL cut those back. The owner may not like it or want to do it, but he will to survive. When businesses spend more of their money, consumers spend more of theirs.
Are there bad practices? Sure. When bad practices happen, then the irresponsible party will pay the price. Again, that's part of basic economics. If it's bad spending practices on the part of the consumer, then he or she will go bankrupt. If it's bad spending practices on the part of the business, then the business goes bankrupt. A bad government practice is throwing away money on irresponsible businesses or individuals. Do it too often and, no matter how much it taxes companies with good practices, it will soon run out of money.
To the original topic, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by Obama. But, he's already having to backpedal on a lot of his campaign ideas by offering tax cuts instead of tax hikes. There is no way he can raise taxes the way he was declaring he would on the campaign trail and be successful. We'll see in 6 months time how successful he is. Then let's comment on him.