Obesity Discrimination

[Abedeus]

While you cant ever make the hateful stop there are a few simple ways to if not avoid fat hate then at least do less to "deserve it"

The first and most simple: Admit it- you're fat. I am fat, mayhaps even obese myself
Secondly: Don't make excuses- excuses make you seem weak. Again personally I'm fat because I overeat and don;t exercise. Know your faults
Finally: Pity is for the deserving, we fat fucks don't. Now if your bemonaning your weight then perhaps you need to man up but the thing is to not try and pull others down for sympathy or special treatment

Hey it's nice to know your life was easy and you only overate yourself. It's not like people have random (though very common for some people) episodes in life or other illnesses that are a factor in the whole thing.

 

[Tanis]

If you fill two seats, you should PAY for two seats.

Not my fault you can't put down the 10 Big Macs.

Hell, I'm FAT, but at least I know it and don't try and hide behind some fake BS 'I'm big boned' crap.

 

[Bruenin]

SNIP

Yeah I once saw a show where they got a bunch of skinny people, made them eat a LOT of food. Only about 3 of the 10 people gained weight, and even then not much. Same goes for some fat people, but the difference is that from my knowledge there can't really be anything that can stop fat being burnt away by exercise, or less fat coming in. You may have to do a bit more exercise if you have a bad metabolism. But if you complain about being discriminated against when you aren't doing the right amount of exercise for your metabolism then you're just a massive twat.

diet affects weight more than exercise, it takes hours of exercise to burn off enough for calorie deficient, especially with an unhealthy diet, and it takes forever to burn off fat... fat people seem to be made fun of the MOST when they are exercising, HAHA look at the fat guy run, he's jiggling... that's not very good when someone is trying to lose weight.

seriously an hour of high level exercise could burn... 500 calories? 3000 is a pound :/ one meal from a fast food restaurant raises you around 1000 if it's a place like McDonald's if they can't afford to start eating healthier than losing weight is going to be extremely more difficult and time consuming... not everyone has hours to spend on exercising.

an hour long run burns 300 last time I checked, a french fry from mcdonalds is around 500
either they practically have to starve themselves and go through pain or spend a LOT of time exercising

 

[Korolev]

Obesity is a problem, but if you want to help them, being nasty is not the right way to go about doing it. No one is perfectly healthy - not even doctors and certainly not medical students, going by what I've seen. Everyone makes poor eating habits or makes some choice that is less than perfect.

I have had many lectures on the consequences of obesity, the mechanisms of obesity and the current treatments that are available. Losing weight, once you are obese, is EXTREMELY difficult. Your brain literally fights against you - Neuropeptide Y, Leptin, Ghrelin, all of these molecules will fight against any attempt to lose a lot of weight. It's not easy, and takes an extraordinary amount of willpower to lose weight through dietary changes alone (which is why most fail). I don't judge anyone by their personal struggles with their body images - leave that to themselves. Yes, obesity does put costs on the Health Care System - so does Alcohol use and abuse. Given that I am a (non-religious) teetotaler, does that give me the right to judge and hurl abuse at those who do drink, or perhaps abuse alcohol? No.

No one is perfect. I will remind patients of the scientific fact that Obesity is bad for you (and I am a medical student and I was/am a scientist - I know my science and I've read my papers. Sorry Fat Acceptance movement, Obesity IS bad for your health. Very bad. Some of those fat-acceptance folks are approaching "my smoking is perfectly healthy!" levels of delusion when it comes to the health problems associated with obesity - by claiming that obesity causes no problems whatsoever. Which is wrong on so many levels), but I'm not going to scream abuse at them since they are still human beings who deserve respect, fairness, and should not be solely judged by their weight. There's more to a human being than how much they weigh, and its tragic that so many people fail to understand that.

 

[Lethos]

Chris Rock knows how it is:

Eat healthy and do a bit of exercise. I really don't see how it's hard to stay in shape.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I hate it when you go to a club, or the park and there's always the fat person in really tight clothes. The ladies do it cause its 'sexy' (not it's not) and the guys do it to be funny (they're secretly dying on the inside)

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[Thyunda]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

 

[The Funslinger]

It goes both ways, my mum is fat and when she slanders skinny people (probably because of her insecurity of her own weight) I get mad, I don't do anything but it upsets me.

To be fair, obesity is a problem, it's not something to be proud of, not as long as there are starving people in the world anyway. With that said discrimination is always bad, but criticizing is not discrimination.

She rips on skinny people? Do you mean the underweight, or people who just aren't fat?

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

 

[Sougo]

I'm kinda divided over whether I should view obesity as a disease or as a crime.

But hey, no discrimination here...

 

[Thyunda]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

Well if he doesn't care, he won't mind being discriminated against. We make drugs illegal and create a negative social stigma surrounding it, we prevent cigarettes being advertised on television and we label modern youth as 'binge drinkers'.
If we don't have the motivation to look after ourselves, it's down to our community to do that for us. Nobody should be able to put themselves, and their body, in that state.

 

[TehCookie]

If there is a fat person who is confident, knows how to dress, and will admit they enjoy food which is why they're fat I have no problem with them. I hate the ones that are in denial or attack others because of their insecurities. I'm captain obvious, I will point it out. I was out shopping with fat people and they complained how hard it is to find cloths that fit, and I said skinny people have that same problem and they got mad. It was also ironic since we were in a plus size specialty store and I don't know of any specialty stores for tall or skinny girls.

 

[The_Echo]

Yeah, discrimination against fat people exists. And yeah, discrimination is bad.

But being fat isn't like being gay or black or what-have-you. Unless you have some sort of medical condition (like something with your thyroid) then generally you're able to help yourself from being obese.

Personally, I think it's wrong for people to encourage accepting one's own obesity. It isn't a trait one should use to help define themselves. There's this attitude I've seen around that "real women" aren't skinny or whatever. That's kind of discriminating against non-overweight women, but that's another issue.

Being obese is a health concern, plain and simple. Nobody should be OK with it.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

Well if he doesn't care, he won't mind being discriminated against. We make drugs illegal and create a negative social stigma surrounding it, we prevent cigarettes being advertised on television and we label modern youth as 'binge drinkers'.
If we don't have the motivation to look after ourselves, it's down to our community to do that for us. Nobody should be able to put themselves, and their body, in that state.

Oh, I agree, I mean I think it's insane when you have someone who tries to do eveything a smaller person tries.
eg.. I was at Six Flag, and there was a big guy waiting in line, we made it to the front and after like 1hr of waiting they tried to close the bar and he was to big. Now the design flaw in the machine (the larest person is as far as the bar can close on the whole train) is partly to blame because if he was riding, no one else was safe. But he gave a chuckle and there was a look of self hate in his eyes. Its one of those things that if you caught it you'd know. But went on his merry way.

Moral:
He found out he was to fat to do what he wanted, and society let him know quick..

I'm hoping he dropped weight and rode the hell outta that ride later in life

 

[Thyunda]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

Well if he doesn't care, he won't mind being discriminated against. We make drugs illegal and create a negative social stigma surrounding it, we prevent cigarettes being advertised on television and we label modern youth as 'binge drinkers'.
If we don't have the motivation to look after ourselves, it's down to our community to do that for us. Nobody should be able to put themselves, and their body, in that state.

Oh, I agree, I mean I think it's insane when you have someone who tries to do eveything a smaller person tries.
eg.. I was at Six Flag, and there was a big guy waiting in line, we made it to the front and after like 1hr of waiting they tried to close the bar and he was to big. Now the design flaw in the machine (the larest person is as far as the bar can close on the whole train) is partly to blame because if he was riding, no one else was safe. But he gave a chuckle and there was a look of self hate in his eyes. Its one of those things that if you caught it you'd know. But went on his merry way.

Moral:
He found out he was to fat to do what he wanted, and society let him know quick..

I'm hoping he dropped weight and rode the hell outta that ride later in life

I mean I hope I'm not coming across as some kind of chubby-hater 'cause I'm really not. I won't refuse to be associated with somebody for being obese, but I will encourage them to lose weight. I like people to be energetic and healthy, and that's kinda hard to do if you're obese. I specify obese 'cause I know a few larger people and their stamina and energy outmatches my own on occasion, so really, there's no criticism there.

But yeah - it's for their own good. Not for any standard of beauty or societal acceptance, but because being clinically obese doesn't help anybody.

 

[MetalGenocide]

Obese people should lose weight. But most can't due to lack of money and/or willpower.
Getting angry at them isn't helping anyone though.

Off topic:
"You can't choose to be gay."
WAT. Of course it's a choice, people are not born as homosexuals.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

Well if he doesn't care, he won't mind being discriminated against. We make drugs illegal and create a negative social stigma surrounding it, we prevent cigarettes being advertised on television and we label modern youth as 'binge drinkers'.
If we don't have the motivation to look after ourselves, it's down to our community to do that for us. Nobody should be able to put themselves, and their body, in that state.

Oh, I agree, I mean I think it's insane when you have someone who tries to do eveything a smaller person tries.
eg.. I was at Six Flag, and there was a big guy waiting in line, we made it to the front and after like 1hr of waiting they tried to close the bar and he was to big. Now the design flaw in the machine (the larest person is as far as the bar can close on the whole train) is partly to blame because if he was riding, no one else was safe. But he gave a chuckle and there was a look of self hate in his eyes. Its one of those things that if you caught it you'd know. But went on his merry way.

Moral:
He found out he was to fat to do what he wanted, and society let him know quick..

I'm hoping he dropped weight and rode the hell outta that ride later in life

I mean I hope I'm not coming across as some kind of chubby-hater 'cause I'm really not. I won't refuse to be associated with somebody for being obese, but I will encourage them to lose weight. I like people to be energetic and healthy, and that's kinda hard to do if you're obese. I specify obese 'cause I know a few larger people and their stamina and energy outmatches my own on occasion, so really, there's no criticism there.

But yeah - it's for their own good. Not for any standard of beauty or societal acceptance, but because being clinically obese doesn't help anybody.

I'm guessing that the only thing they hate about it, is being judged. No on likes that, if you're tall (I know a guy who's 7'4 and does tattoos. Short.. I'm 5'8 Fat read previous post about an ex somewhere in the escapist. Or thin, I'm asian, so Im always around a group of super thin asians)

No one likes to be judged. But only negativly, tell them that their hair looks good "Thanks man" tell them their lifestyle is killing them "go to hell man" it's a lose lose situation

 

[Thyunda]

I...don't see why it's such a bad thing to encourage people not to be obese.

Because you're encroaching on their lifestyle of being fat. Even if it's for their best life, it's like telling a smoker that smoking will kil them. My brother smokes and he hates it when someone tells him smoking is bad.

He knows it's bad but doesn't care

The guy weighing 28 stone knows he's unhealty; doesn't care

Well if he doesn't care, he won't mind being discriminated against. We make drugs illegal and create a negative social stigma surrounding it, we prevent cigarettes being advertised on television and we label modern youth as 'binge drinkers'.
If we don't have the motivation to look after ourselves, it's down to our community to do that for us. Nobody should be able to put themselves, and their body, in that state.

Oh, I agree, I mean I think it's insane when you have someone who tries to do eveything a smaller person tries.
eg.. I was at Six Flag, and there was a big guy waiting in line, we made it to the front and after like 1hr of waiting they tried to close the bar and he was to big. Now the design flaw in the machine (the larest person is as far as the bar can close on the whole train) is partly to blame because if he was riding, no one else was safe. But he gave a chuckle and there was a look of self hate in his eyes. Its one of those things that if you caught it you'd know. But went on his merry way.

Moral:
He found out he was to fat to do what he wanted, and society let him know quick..

I'm hoping he dropped weight and rode the hell outta that ride later in life

I mean I hope I'm not coming across as some kind of chubby-hater 'cause I'm really not. I won't refuse to be associated with somebody for being obese, but I will encourage them to lose weight. I like people to be energetic and healthy, and that's kinda hard to do if you're obese. I specify obese 'cause I know a few larger people and their stamina and energy outmatches my own on occasion, so really, there's no criticism there.

But yeah - it's for their own good. Not for any standard of beauty or societal acceptance, but because being clinically obese doesn't help anybody.

I'm guessing that the only thing they hate about it, is being judged. No on likes that, if you're tall (I know a guy who's 7'4 and does tattoos. Short.. I'm 5'8 Fat read previous post about an ex somewhere in the escapist. Or thin, I'm asian, so Im always around a group of super thin asians)

No one likes to be judged. But only negativly, tell them that their hair looks good "Thanks man" tell them their lifestyle is killing them "go to hell man" it's a lose lose situation

Nah I just make pursuing an unhealthy lifestyle inconvenient. "Stop walking so fast" "No you stop eating so much" lovely petty childish insults. Course some stranger gets in on the action then they'll find I don't appreciate them calling my friend fat.

 

[RafaelNegrus]

Why does it have to be a behavioral basis?

My original example was me being in water versus me being on land. How is that a behavioral difference? I am well aware that genetics can have an affect on obesity, and that some are more prone to it than others, but if it becomes a problem than a different behavioral response is appropriate that it is for a person i a different situation.

Some people need to work harder to maintain a healthy weight, which isn't fair and kind of sucks but such is life.

Here's the trouble: You're presuming on there being a behavioral basis. You're still operating from the presumption that there's a standardized "healthy weight," and that anyone outside of a very narrow range must be "doing it wrong" somehow.

If you eat right, exercise, and are still fat (and yes, it happens more often than you might think, and a hell of a lot more often than the weight-loss industry would like you to think)? Dieting down to some aesthetic standard isn't going to automatically make you healthier. In fact, it can be bad for you.

Are people not capable of acting in their own lives? I think they can do something about their situations, and I think that's a GOOD thing, it would be far worse if you're just born a certain way and then just have to deal with it, which is patently not true. And yes it is a problem! It is a medical condition that has a serious impact on people's lives! Obese people live on average 6-7 years less than non-obese people.

http://www.annals.org/content/138/1/24.full.pdf+html

And it's a narrow range? For someone who is 6 foot tall, a normal weight is found to be 130-170 pounds, if we add in overweight that range extends to 205 pounds. 75 pounds is a narrow range?

And I have already said that there are people with a genetic predisposition towards carrying more weight, but as other people have noted there are MANY factors that are part of this, and it varies WIDELY across countries, and there is NO reason to think that all that variation is due to genetics.