Oblivion... with Guns?
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There were a number of "gun" mods for oblivion but all of them offered little more than very elaborate staff weapons. Looking at both the Oblivion Construction Set and GECK, it seems to me that guns are more probably based on the ranged weapon set (with projectile drop ignored and speed dramatically increased) rather than magic. Unfortunately, it seems nobody has tried making a gun from the ranged set, and it may be the result of some critical portion being hard coded (I have seen no reference that would allow one to alter the time it takes to "draw" the bow - a requirement for a remotely realistic firearm).
The similarities between the two games are fairly obvious however. The drugs in Fallout are literally the same class of item as the potions in Oblivion. New models and the inability (without mods) to make your own morph...I mean med-x disguise this to a degree. Likewise, perks apply effects in the same was as magic, and the same goes for item effects. Weapons like the flamethrower and rocket launcher actually are apparently governed by similar rules to the casting system in Oblivion. As a result, I have seen many, many mods where content from Oblivion has been placed in Fallout, but I have never seen the reverse done. I do not know if this is the result of nothing more than a lack of interest of if it occured because of some sort of technical problem. Replacing various NPC's with thsoe from Fallout would likely be easy enough, but the changes would be purely visual. That said, I'm fairly certain putting the Deathclaw into Oblivion is something that OUGHT to be done. I may even try my hand at it, but I'm not sure if I'd go beyond simply doing a model sweap for the triceritops looking oblivion monster (since it has more or less the same AI it would seem).
If the projectile issue could be cracked, and if a few issues with the Oblivion magic system could be sorted out, I'd say it's perfectly possible to put a bit of wasteland flavor into Tameriel. I'm not certain the result would be terribly fun however, and it may even break the game entirely. At the very least stats across the board would HAVE to be adjusted. As it stood in Fallout 3, the melee sytem was identical to the one in Oblivion but there was no compelling reason (beyond the fact that it was harder) to use even the most powerful melee weapons in Fallout.
The more I think about the AI angle, the more I realize that it may be inconsequential as the core logic that drives the various things appear to be the same. Bloatflies and gun toting raiders stand in place launching projectiles and occasionally move but rarely seem to intentially take cover. Melee creatures and characters simply make a bee line for the character and start swiging with their best attack with the occasional fast attack to spice things up. This would mean adding melee raiders and super mutants would be no more difficult than adding them to the leveled lists along with their weapons (which are easy enough to import and assign into broad categories of blade and blunt). That more or less leaves the projectile problem, which I've never seen cracked in spite of a number of notable attempts.
The similarities between the two games are fairly obvious however. The drugs in Fallout are literally the same class of item as the potions in Oblivion. New models and the inability (without mods) to make your own morph...I mean med-x disguise this to a degree. Likewise, perks apply effects in the same was as magic, and the same goes for item effects. Weapons like the flamethrower and rocket launcher actually are apparently governed by similar rules to the casting system in Oblivion. As a result, I have seen many, many mods where content from Oblivion has been placed in Fallout, but I have never seen the reverse done. I do not know if this is the result of nothing more than a lack of interest of if it occured because of some sort of technical problem. Replacing various NPC's with thsoe from Fallout would likely be easy enough, but the changes would be purely visual. That said, I'm fairly certain putting the Deathclaw into Oblivion is something that OUGHT to be done. I may even try my hand at it, but I'm not sure if I'd go beyond simply doing a model sweap for the triceritops looking oblivion monster (since it has more or less the same AI it would seem).
If the projectile issue could be cracked, and if a few issues with the Oblivion magic system could be sorted out, I'd say it's perfectly possible to put a bit of wasteland flavor into Tameriel. I'm not certain the result would be terribly fun however, and it may even break the game entirely. At the very least stats across the board would HAVE to be adjusted. As it stood in Fallout 3, the melee sytem was identical to the one in Oblivion but there was no compelling reason (beyond the fact that it was harder) to use even the most powerful melee weapons in Fallout.
The more I think about the AI angle, the more I realize that it may be inconsequential as the core logic that drives the various things appear to be the same. Bloatflies and gun toting raiders stand in place launching projectiles and occasionally move but rarely seem to intentially take cover. Melee creatures and characters simply make a bee line for the character and start swiging with their best attack with the occasional fast attack to spice things up. This would mean adding melee raiders and super mutants would be no more difficult than adding them to the leveled lists along with their weapons (which are easy enough to import and assign into broad categories of blade and blunt). That more or less leaves the projectile problem, which I've never seen cracked in spite of a number of notable attempts.
To be honest, I don't really care. I never played the game, thus never heard the quote, but I knew he did misquote and I called him out. Clearly, I was wrong too though.Amarok said:Actually it's "more fearsome".Gilbert Munch said:
If you're going to be annoying and act like an impolite grouch, know the quote you're trying to correct
The main thing is, I find Calumon speaks like Barney, ie to a three year old audience, laced with saccharin. And that annoys me, because we're all semi-grown up here.
Well, I suppose, yes. Had I got the quote correct, you'd still have the same arguement on my part.LordNue said:
It's more to do with the fact that I'm getting more and more disenchanted with this place; this Calumon thing; elitist, idiotic posters and the pointless bans/suspensions are the biggest reasons behind this. I've really just given up caring. Hell, maybe a suspension would do me good. I don't want to be banned, but maybe a suspension.
Since a couple of people seem to feel like being pricks to you don't worry. Your still probably the most interesting person i have met on this forum.Jack and Calumon said:
Fallout 3 is pretty much an oblivion mod. Which is why it pissed me off in the end. I guess if you screw around with the colors enough the ground would look green. Maybe color some tree shaped pieces of paper and have someone put them on all the empty gray space. Wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Yes. I am bitter. What of it?
I wouldn'tmatter to me, since in both Oblivion and Fallout I never touched a freakin weapon. I have/am/always will be a master of hand to hand.
Though I enjoyed Oblivon more, it sure was fun breaking limbs in Fallout3. If they were to implement this into Oblivion, then I think I would have found my perfect RPG.
Though I enjoyed Oblivon more, it sure was fun breaking limbs in Fallout3. If they were to implement this into Oblivion, then I think I would have found my perfect RPG.
Well this is easy, get off your computer, go down to your local gaming store (not pc gaming, the other rpg/board gaming store). Go buy the dnd 4th ed books, and also buy the new Amethyst: Foundations book. Get a bunch of people together and play.Lovelocke said:
You could also go to GoG and buy Arcanum, that would work also (even though it isn't a pure fantasy setting)
Always hated steampunk Oo.Dexiro said:Oblivion, and a touch of steampunk to get cool weaponry. Someone should make that
I would be horrified to see someone ruin by beautiful Oblivion with guns...
And let us hope TES V will do the same to New Vegas =DRevelo said:Fallout 3 being Oblivion with guns is not nessasarily a bad thing. The game was alright if not spectacular. Although Fallout: New Vegas could easily make Oblivion look some sort of beta test
i agree with almost every one of your points... tell you what i disagree with though. bringing back morrowinds close combat. if by close you mean hand to hand, then Morrowinds can stay the hell away.The_ModeRazor said:
but yes , all the weapons and armour of morrowind please. Perks is an interesting idea too.
you know what, i bet they are going to implement all this in, then make the story about a load of freaking high elves... they have to ruin it somewhere
Nah. I mean, I'm no programming prodigy or anything, but I'm pretty sure you can't mod Fallout's guns into Oblivion by way of spending cash on a completely unrelated board game and hanging out with sweaty Mountain Dew-chugging virgins.Acaroid said:
Going out on a limb there.
Oh god if any role players where sweaty no one would want to play with them :|Lovelocke said:
The game is related because it is fantasy mixed with cyber punk. I guess if you want to sit by yourself if front of your PC wishing you could be an elf with a chaingun blowing away orcs instead of going out and being able to play an elf with a chain gun blowing away orcs with other people, your call
XD
1) There *IS* no one that wants to play with them.Acaroid said:Oh god if any role players where sweaty no one would want to play with them :|
The game is related because it is fantasy mixed with cyber punk. I guess if you want to sit by yourself if front of your PC wishing you could be an elf with a chaingun blowing away orcs instead of going out and being able to play an elf with a chain gun blowing away orcs with other people, your call
2) We can take turns. Y'know, like we learned as children