The silence from the peanut gallery isn't because we have all sorts of fascinating insights held back by the flood of usual bile. We've said all we have to say.Redryhno said:
Obsidian accused of transmisogyny in Pillars of Eternity
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I see the usual suspects are having an outraged fit in an attempt to demonstrate how having outraged fits on the internet is so outrageous.
Good title, too. Ensures maximum drama. It's good that we have people concerned with this sort of thing scouring twitter and Tumblr and Reddit in order to bring fresh calamities to our attention on an hourly basis. How else would I know what to be angry about?
Captcha: Sorry Sight. Does anyone fight it actually rather eerie, this bullshit with the captchas? They're on point way too often for it to be a coincidence.
Good title, too. Ensures maximum drama. It's good that we have people concerned with this sort of thing scouring twitter and Tumblr and Reddit in order to bring fresh calamities to our attention on an hourly basis. How else would I know what to be angry about?
Captcha: Sorry Sight. Does anyone fight it actually rather eerie, this bullshit with the captchas? They're on point way too often for it to be a coincidence.
Someone at Obsidian had to approve the text and likely another person put it into the game ... so that's at least one person and likely two who didn't see the problem, or at least not a big enough problem to not take the guys money.Knight Captain Kerr said:
There's no backsies in the contract they quite willingly entered into.
MarsAtlas said:
Don't get me wrong. Not much in the way of ill will toward individuals here. I mean. I disagree with a lot of ya...a lot...but ya all seem like decent folk. And I'm apparently a bit of a masochist, so woo.
Well, no.
I was responding to this, "The implication that trans women are gay men trying to trick straight men into having sex with them?" which is not what I believe to have been implied here. Just because the guy slept with someone he thought was a woman...doesn't mean that the 'woman' in this instance was attempting to trick him into it.
Mistaken identity, plus epic amounts of alcohol, plus a micro penis, plus clever clothing positioning, plus a dark room, and divide that by a penchant for the back door and this...look, I realize this is a lot of 'but maybe if'...but it didn't actually happen. :/ And there are trolls and werewolves and shit. Just roll with it.
How, may I ask, do YOU know that? You're claiming to me that, out of all 7 or 8 billion people on the Earth, not one of them has ever done such a thing?
You're suggesting that some people aren't royally fucked up and, as is demonstrably the case, that's just not true.
By the same token, it's definitely not something common, nor would I even suggest it was something that happened more than once. Ever. Nor do I think that's what happened in this poem.
See, I didn't get the "There's men pretending to be women to have sex with straight men and cause them emotional distress" bit from the poem.
"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"
Redryhno said:
I'd be fine with a day or so of normal poster bans, just to see what sort of stuff the normies talk about.ZiggyE said:
I'm outraged by your apparent lack of outrage.BloatedGuppy said:
Pretty sure you're kinda one of the people I was talking about along with myself...Pyrian said:
And like you said, there's bile here, and from my experience that drives away people that actually want to talk about it more often than not because it's too much trouble to come in here and probably get jumped on by the usual people instead of, you know, having a conversation. That thing we used to have before transphobia became hip to say and claim about a whole slew of things.
That tombstone could almost pass for a XIV-century vernacular poem.
The lack of Welshmen cuddling up to drunken Englishmen is, of course, a major faux pas - but customer satisfaction surveys aren't that big of a threat in the epitaph writing business.
When the others were asleep,
I should find my way, and come
Through the darkness to her room.
Love would haul my steps aright
Down the hallways of the night;
Love would steer my steps - alas,
This was not what came to pass.
For, by some outrageous miss,
what I got was not a kiss,
But a stubble-whiskered cheek
And a triple whiskey-reek.
Dafydd ap Gwilym, 'Trafferth Mewn Tafarn'.
The lack of Welshmen cuddling up to drunken Englishmen is, of course, a major faux pas - but customer satisfaction surveys aren't that big of a threat in the epitaph writing business.
When the others were asleep,
I should find my way, and come
Through the darkness to her room.
Love would haul my steps aright
Down the hallways of the night;
Love would steer my steps - alas,
This was not what came to pass.
For, by some outrageous miss,
what I got was not a kiss,
But a stubble-whiskered cheek
And a triple whiskey-reek.
Dafydd ap Gwilym, 'Trafferth Mewn Tafarn'.
By your logic theres no expectation to disclose that you have herpes simplex II as long as you're not currently having a visible outbreak.MarsAtlas said:
I'm not comparing transgender status to having an STD I am simply pointing out that there are certain things that are simply responsible human disclosures that are a common courtesy to anyone you may be becoming intimate with. The status of a circumcision isn't generally a deal breaker for most people, surprise penis can be a deal breaker, for a woman or a man.
And you keep going back to the victimization argument of being assaulted for being transgendered, even while responding to a post where I specifically state that its not appropriate to assault people for anything.
I love how I made what is the most equally defensive comment for both sides, that probably summed up this the best...and yet it was skimmed over to pay attention to argumentive comments by both sides going back and forth...as if one side is actually going to eventually "okay, you're right and I agree"...no matter how right or wrong the other side is.
This is the Internet people, where everyone is right that holds a particular stand on something, and the equalizers are ignored because they actually bring statements that end such arguments, while the people arguing are convinced that their opinion is the "end argument".
Oh irony.
($10 says that this will be skimmed over too)
This is the Internet people, where everyone is right that holds a particular stand on something, and the equalizers are ignored because they actually bring statements that end such arguments, while the people arguing are convinced that their opinion is the "end argument".
Oh irony.
($10 says that this will be skimmed over too)
I have zero outrage. No outrage at the poem, no outrage at the criticism of the poem, and no outrage at the usual bandwagon of drama queens flipping their shit because the poem was criticized.LostGryphon said:
I mean, you could use the poem as a conversation piece for a discussion about trans-panic, which is a real thing and kind of terrible for transgendered people, but we don't DO discussions here. We just yell about social media and demonstrate our disdain for "social justice" by talking about it every fucking second of every fucking day.
Pillars of Eternity gaming topic? Couldn't even stay on the front page. Pillars of Eternity drama topic? 5 pages and counting. Woop. Carry on, warriors.
If anyone wants to talk about the GAME I'm down for that. That's what everyone wanted, right? Less "politics", more games talk? WHOOPS, my eyes rolled right out of my head.
That is what everyone and their dog is getting all worked up over?
Oh internet, you really are so silly sometimes.
Oh internet, you really are so silly sometimes.
BloatedGuppy said:
Applicable for both sides, we let greedy scammers and ideologues take advantage of us. Some of us paid money or let those ideologues use as support for their agendas, others made it worse by over reacting and getting used in a different way. Now everyone that just likes games are faced with the entire community tearing itself to pieces, worse still neither side are really cognizant of whats going on as they are to busy trying to get their points across.
Cross-dressing + drunk. That's what I got out of the poem. "The last woman he bedded turned out a man" can imply a cross-dresser or that Firedorn just couldn't tell the difference between a woman and a very feminine-looking man. Also "bedded" means he actually fucked 'em. Pretty sure a sober man can tell the difference between a dick and a vagina.LifeCharacter said:
There. An interpretation with no trans, no prejudices, no cause for outrage. Just an idiot dying for being an idiot.
But apparently that makes me an apologist. I'll tell you a secret: the poem NEEDS the reader to add in extra information. What does "woman turned out a man" mean? Transsexual? Cross-dresser? Was Firedorn too drunk to tell the difference between a woman and a feminine-looking man? It doesn't say. Ergo, all interpretations are equally valid.LifeCharacter said:
Can we show this person some Frankie Boyle stand up, pallleeeaaaaaassse???
I would say more on this matter, but this looks like a joke. Seriously. Or...not? I dunno. There are enough people in this world connected to the informatiowebs, that there will always be some twazzleflaps getting their flaps in a twazzle because some fiction is making them uncomfortable. I love uncomfortable. It is their to help us analyse why it is so. Art uses manipulation of emotion to get us to think more.
This?...this is just some carry-on humour that is hardly worth the effort of me typing this ramble. Sort of cute really.
I would say more on this matter, but this looks like a joke. Seriously. Or...not? I dunno. There are enough people in this world connected to the informatiowebs, that there will always be some twazzleflaps getting their flaps in a twazzle because some fiction is making them uncomfortable. I love uncomfortable. It is their to help us analyse why it is so. Art uses manipulation of emotion to get us to think more.
This?...this is just some carry-on humour that is hardly worth the effort of me typing this ramble. Sort of cute really.
Why would it have to be based aroundMarsAtlas said:
The poem made no mention of that, I would suggest that without adding anything extra to the poem he simply had some kind of sexual encounter with either a cross dresser or transexual and then the mental trauma made him commit suicide after he found out.
Adding in that it must imply that it was a gay men trying to trick a straight man into sex is unnecessary.
Just out of curiosity, if someone (who doesn't have any STIs) fucked a woman who was passed out, what harm would she suffer, since penis isn't in itself, harmful?MarsAtlas said:
This weird phenomenon you are experiencing is called life. Some people experience it differently than others. For some, humor helps them face what makes them uncomfortable.dragonswarrior said:
The pseudo-intellectual finger-pointing game is starting to tire me and this constant barrage of attacks on petty first-world problems deeply troubles me when put in contrast to much greater issues at home or abroad (cancer, obesity, ISIS,dictatorships, slavery, child soldiers and so on).
I'm sorry, but your hurt feelings because not everyone will be your friend and support your life choices is one of the last things I care about.