Occupy Wall Street - Police Officer parks his motorbike on the leg of a protester (Breaking his leg)

[Pandabearparade]

could you give a more specific example and not a broad statement?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-14/wall-street-protesters-arrested-in-lower-manhattan-police-say.html

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

his pain will only help to strengthen their cause by showing just how much the government favours that 1% population bracket.

No. You should know there's a difference between the NYPD and government officials and corporations. And by a difference I mean they're almost completely unrelated aside from government funding (which, obviously, has nothing to do with what either does during protests).

Well, part of the Occupy wall street thing is to stop corruption in the government, remove lobiests ect, and police, well they work for the government, not saying I don't respect them, I mean, they take a fucking bullet for societ...

OT: Giant protests= people getting hurt. end of story, while I agree with the protesters, and I don't get why the cop was driving a motercycle through a crowd of fucking people- or to just douche it out by not giving a damned concern, casualties in this situation are almost inevitable.

Other than that

 

[davisjones1287]

could you give a more specific example and not a broad statement?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-14/wall-street-protesters-arrested-in-lower-manhattan-police-say.html

I don't think this proves your point like you seem to think it does.

 

[Smagmuck_]

The Epic Snip of Logic

You... You sir, are the first one that I've seen here today that has made sense to me. Your argument makes total sense for me. Maybe I will use this to aid me when I take Economics next Semester.

Thank you, maybe next time I will make as much sense as you have.

 

[Naeo]

could you give a more specific example and not a broad statement?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-14/wall-street-protesters-arrested-in-lower-manhattan-police-say.html

Well, yes, they are arresting protesters, but none of that is in any way unconstitutional. Overturning trash bins is littering and vandalism. Sitting an standing (undoubtedly "loitering" in the streets, as opposed to being anywhere on the street while supported by your own two legs) is an obstruction of traffic which does constitute a perfectly valid legal infraction. And as for the bridge incident, last I had heard, video/security footage debunked the claims that the protesters were lured onto the bridge; they were warned that they would be arrested if they went on, and they went on, and then they were arrested. And then they sued for a violation of their right to flaunt the law.

The Guy Fawked mask thing does seem a bit stranger, but there might be something in the NYC law about protesting in such a way that makes you anonymous/unidentifiable, or whatnot.

But in the end that link in no way supports your statement that laws are being misused to unconstitutionally restrict the protesters right to peaceful assembly. Because most of the arrests seem to be either in cases where it's not peaceful any more (flipping over trashcans can be construed as such), they're violating other laws, or they're disrupting city business (like traffic). So sorry, but try the "proof" thing again.

 

[Hammartroll]

-Snip-

So, I watched the video. Educational.

However, the most important part of it, that I felt, was the 'People taking loans they didn't need.' is what started the entire cycle.

Basically, people were greedy and that greed ended up crashing the economy on a global scale. Kind of reminds me of the Bernie Madoff thing. People heard 'Low risk high reward' and drowned him in money because all they could think about was getting more money.

So! I don't blame the Federal Reserve or the Government. I blame the greedy ass middle class. (It rhymes!)

yes, many people who were victims of the housing crisis has only themselves to blame, but I can't let the Fed or the government go in this, mainly because of the inflation. Inflation steals the value of what we already have, everyone gets poorer but since we eventually owe all the money back to the Fed, they get richer. It's thievery and I don't like people stealing from me. And since it's the government who tells the Fed how much to print, they're to blame as well. These bailouts and stimuluses, they do nothing but steal the value of the money we already have.
Also, as an American I don't feel very comfortable knowing a foriegn private power controls our money supply...

 

[Hammartroll]

And this had nothing to do with the rioting as I doubt many of them know any of this... but, at least, let's not whine about people whining about a broken system. No system is perfect, all systems fail, and as any history class will quickly teach you: they all end in one revolutionary form or another. There is no such thing as: "Don't complain because you don't understand." That is as irrelevant now as it was to the peasants in the French Revolution. People do not need to understand anything, they will tear down everything, good or bad, if it inconveniences them or until they are put down.

But what if we could get the word out, educate them and get them to relocate their protests to the Federal Reserve bank, replace our economic system with something more stable like a gold standard and elect officials we can trust... continued ignorance will cause them to tear everything down, but don't you think that if we pull together we can get the system working again?
I mean, it's not like America was always destined to fail... only after 1913 it was.

 

[Naeo]

And this had nothing to do with the rioting as I doubt many of them know any of this... but, at least, let's not whine about people whining about a broken system. No system is perfect, all systems fail, and as any history class will quickly teach you: they all end in one revolutionary form or another. There is no such thing as: "Don't complain because you don't understand." That is as irrelevant now as it was to the peasants in the French Revolution. People do not need to understand anything, they will tear down everything, good or bad, if it inconveniences them or until they are put down.

But what if we could get the word out, educate them and get them to relocate they're protests to the Federal Reserve bank, replace our economic system with something more stable like a gold standard and elect officials we can trust... continued ignorance will cause them to tear everything down, but don't you think that if we pull together we can get the system working again?
I mean, it's not like America was always destined to fail... only after 1913 it was.

I just want to point out that a gold/precious metal standard is somewhat reliable in general, but with a fluctuating value of gold nowadays it wouldn't be the best idea. Also, there is the problem of money shortages (there is only so much gold, so you can only have about as much money as you have gold to back it up with, which nowadays would fall dreadfully short of how much is actually needed) on the gold/silver standards, which was part of the reason behind many of the panics in American history. So a gold standard would be a very bad thing, really. That's the only thing I wanted to quibble with in your post.

 

[Hammartroll]

The Epic Snip of Logic

You... You sir, are the first one that I've seen here today that has made sense to me. Your argument makes total sense for me. Maybe I will use this to aid me when I take Economics next Semester.

Thank you, maybe next time I will make as much sense as you have.

Haha we both ended up congratulating him It was a riveting read wasnt it hehe.

Cool, now go spread the word so we can end the actual problem.

vote for dis guy

 

[Pandabearparade]

The Guy Fawked mask thing does seem a bit stranger, but there might be something in the NYC law about protesting in such a way that makes you anonymous/unidentifiable, or whatnot.

That's the part I find galling. They're using a 150 year old law against wearing masks in public. That's ridiculous. I don't object to people being arrested if they're actually violent, but wearing masks?

I suppose New York should amend the constitution to say:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances... unless those fuckers are wearing masks. Then you arrest them."

 

[Caverat]

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/video-of-protesters-leg-beneath-scooter-spurs-conflicting-accounts/?scp=1&sq=ari%20douglas&st=cse

Already been posted as being staged.

This. Confirmed staged, not police brutality if the guy intentionally put his leg under the motorcycle. Reports of his broken leg are unconfirmed, and he kicked over the bike he was allegedly trapped under.

Also, another prominent event in this series of false claims of police brutality, a police officer caught on film punching a protester. The widely shown video conveniently fails to show the preceding attempt of the protester to elbow that same officer in the face, and the officer being sprayed in the face by an unknown substance.

Most claims of police brutality are false, just attempts for overly vocal elements to gather support for whatever their cause, or an individual to get out of whatever crime they're being charged for.

 

[Death God]

What I find weird is that he is on the ground in pain and people around him are just standing there taking photographs. Just a bit odd if you ask me.

 

[Hammartroll]

I just want to point out that a gold/precious metal standard is somewhat reliable in general, but with a fluctuating value of gold nowadays it wouldn't be the best idea. Also, there is the problem of money shortages (there is only so much gold, so you can only have about as much money as you have gold to back it up with, which nowadays would fall dreadfully short of how much is actually needed) on the gold/silver standards, which was part of the reason behind many of the panics in American history. So a gold standard would be a very bad thing, really. That's the only thing I wanted to quibble with in your post.

I believe gold is only fluctuating because of how much money we've been printing lately. I think the only time gold lost a lot of it's value was back when the Spanish discovered the new world and suddenly started taking ship loads of it back to Europe.
But anything is better than what we got, even if we got to do gold/silver/copper, as long as we can get some substance behind our cash, lol. What if we just totally got rid of the dollar and made a new currency, much like how Europe scraped their old coinage for the Euro, but made the new currency refelct our precious metal supply, start from scratch. The government can burn all the old dollars, print the new money themselves, and give everyone the correct exchange for the amount of dollars they previously had.

 

[Xanthious]

Christ on a pogo stick! That guy that made that video is either the most amazing troll ever to grace Youtube or he is the fucking founding member and reigning president of the "Bat Shit Insane-O Super Fun Tin Foil Hat Club". I'm at a total loss as to which it is. I went and watched a few of his other videos and I'm no closer to figuring out. On one hand no right thinking person could actually believe what this whack-a-do is saying. But on the other hand he is really selling it making me believe he desperately needs amazing amounts of psychological help and likely heavy dosages of medication to right whatever is wrong in that deeply flawed brain of his.

I urge anyone who reads this to click on the quoted post that's "spoilered" out above and watch this video. However, if you find yourself thinking "Now THIS is a man that's telling it like it is" afterwords then it's probably time for you to go check yourself into the nearest long term care facility for mental health issues where you can get the help you desperately need.

Nice job being very insulting but not explaining in the least why he's wrong. Good luck appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I'm pretty sure the remark about the video's maker being president of the "Bat Shit Insane-O Super Fun Club" covered my reasons for why I believe he is wrong. You simply don't argue with crazy people and the guy that made that video is certainly just that if he actually believes what he's saying in that video.

Say you're walking down the street and see a man screaming he's covered in bugs, when anyone can plainly see he's not. You don't walk up to this raving lunatic and say "Excuse me good sir, your assertion that you are covered in bugs is one I believe to be false". Nope, you keep your head down, keep walking, and hope to god he doesn't fucking touch you. The fella that made that video may as well be screaming he's covered in bugs as he'd sound no more crazy than he does already.

 

[scott91575]

-Snip-

So, I watched the video. Educational.

However, the most important part of it, that I felt, was the 'People taking loans they didn't need.' is what started the entire cycle.

Basically, people were greedy and that greed ended up crashing the economy on a global scale. Kind of reminds me of the Bernie Madoff thing. People heard 'Low risk high reward' and drowned him in money because all they could think about was getting more money.

So! I don't blame the Federal Reserve or the Government. I blame the greedy ass middle class. (It rhymes!)

yes, many people who were victims of the housing crisis has only themselves to blame, but I can't let the Fed or the government go in this, mainly because of the inflation. Inflation steals the value of what we already have, everyone gets poorer but since we eventually owe all the money back to the Fed, they get richer. It's thievery and I don't like people stealing from me. And since it's the government who tells the Fed how much to print, they're to blame as well. These bailouts and stimuluses, they do nothing but steal the value of the money we already have.
Also, as an American I don't feel very comfortable knowing a foriegn private power controls our money supply...

You do realize inflation is a very important component of the economy, and deflation is very bad for the economy, right? With deflation (or even zero inflation) no one has any incentive to invest or even spend money. Deflation is as bad if not worse than hyperinflation.

The fed tries to keep inflation at reasonable levels, and the last 20 years have had unprecedented low levels of inflation. Low levels of inflation are pretty much the perfect. Inflation is in no way the issue here.

 

[xvbones]

Here you Go I will let this documentary tell you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw .

Thank you for this meaningless sensationalist journalism from 20/20, a program that has produced nothing but reactionary sensationalism for the past ever since it has ever existed, ever.

Here's a tip for you, next time you want to make a point, you need to show that you have actually researched that point.

You cannot just link to something you watched once and sit back with your arms crosse,d pretending you've actually done anything more than cut and paste.

The system as in the way the economy is run

You have not demonstrated any understanding of the economy or the way it is run.

as for the demonstrations they are more geared towards this:
Quote:

Perceptions vary as to the specific goals of the movement.According to Adbusters, a primary protest organizer, the central demand of the protest is that President Obama "ordain a Presidential Commission tasked with ending the influence money has over our representatives in Washington". Liberal commentator Michael Moore had suggested that this is not like any other protest but this protest represents a variety of demands with a common statement about government corruption and the excessive influence of big business and the wealthiest 1% of Americans on U.S. laws and policies.The belief is held by some protesters that the President has become irrelevant, stressing the importance for the 99% to lead and inspire change.[/b]

You really just ran to google and looked up "why are the protests", didn't you?

Listen, neither Adbusters nor Michael Moore, no matter how badly they want to pretend they have any say or sway over these children, are in fact remotely in control of these protests.

These protests, contrary to your cut-and-pasted quote, which, mind you, does not show you have any understanding of this situation, do not have leaders or organization.

The media sell an image here is a nice documentary explaining to you that what you hear locally in the US is not the same as what is heard outside of your sphere of media control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ETBtR6HeE
I mean its no secret that the US government has its fingers deep in its media releases.

Okay. Right now you have just left the realm of reality or rationality.

You are repeating things that you have heard on the internet, by rote.

You are demonstrating zero understanding of what is happening or why it is happening, all you have are quotes ripped off the internet with zero comprehension pasted in massive blocks that defy rational discussion.

Your sole input to this debate are your little broken lines introducing these quotes, such as this:

I posted their goal up top. Revolutions start with the youth not with the old.

You read that on the internet.

And the person who said it first was also stupid.

They are making people rise in solidarity the beginnings of any movement is just the beginning and this movement doesn't look like its going to go away anytime soon.

What, like you, right?

Tell me something.

How much have you risked in 'solidarity' right now?

You used that word and you are all in favor of these children screaming "THE WORLD ISN'T RIGHT", so you clearly feel a strong sense of solidarity with them.

So why aren't you risking anything yourself?

Why aren't you living in a public park and literally relying on the kindness of strangers for the food and basic hygiene needs that the protests utter lack of organization have caused a massive shortage of?

Why aren't you risking anything of yourself, instead of just sitting in a forum, finding quotes off the internet instead of actually arguing your own points?

The Fema factilities are going to have a good workout soon.

Yeah, hey, you know, because 'the cause' could use some martyrs, huh?

It'll be great, when these children get curbstomped by the National Guard for something something something beliefs, right?

It is so easy for you to cheer this on, from a hemisphere away and zero real understanding of any of it.

After all, its not your family who run the risk of getting hurt, right?

So we are clear, when you said this, I lost any trace of respect I could have had for you.

This quoted comment, right here, made me sick to my stomach.

I am glad you are a world away from me.

I have nothing more to say to you or about you.