Occupy Wall Street - Police Officer parks his motorbike on the leg of a protester (Breaking his leg)

[Smagmuck_]

So basically, if anywhere out there is worse off than us, we don't have a right to complain about our situation.

Gotcha.

I never said we didn't have a right. I said we shouldn't.

Can you protest a country that uses a system that you don't like? Yes, sure go right ahead, I won't stop you.

But should you when there are people who would be glad just to live there? No.

But there are probably people who would be happy to live in North Korea, chances are there is a person in this world who is in worse circumstances then someone in North Korea. Following your logic people starving in North Korea shouldn't complain because someone else has it worse. Your way of thinking seems to revolve around being fine no matter how bad your circumstances are just because it could be worse, what if it works in reverse to? Progress occurs because people strive for something better then they already have, instead of being content with the bare minimum. Is it wrong to want better for your family and yourself?

Now you're just taking my words out of context.
If there are people starving in North Korea, than by all means they should be revolting.
As well with someone living in Darfur, if you're starving due to Civil War. Fucking fix it.

But if you're living in a country that lets you do what you're doing with out shooting you dead. You're only making an ass out of yourself and the country you're protesting against. And seeing as you're more than likely to reference the American Revolution, let me be the first to state (again), that if the people are being visibly and unconditionally oppressed, than yes, start molotoving a government building.

There's a difference between revolting for the obviously better, and revolting because you think that the Government isn't doing enough to support your lazy assWhich the majority of people at OWC are "protesting" for..

So basically, if anywhere out there is worse off than us, we don't have a right to complain about our situation.

Gotcha.

I never said we didn't have a right. I said we shouldn't.

Can you protest a country that uses a system that you don't like? Yes, sure go right ahead, I won't stop you.

But should you when there are people who would be glad just to live there? No.

You make it sound like these people are unhappy with the way their bin men greet them while collecting the garbage. These people have genuine concerns and grievances to complain about.

They have lost jobs, savings, maybe even property in this mess while all the banks continue to rake in the money and fill their pockets. It very much appears that the ridiculous debt that everyone's been passing around has finally got to be paid. And no one has the money to do it. Greec hasn't looked this bad since the Persians invaded, and Ireland is quickly following them. Europe is circling the plughole. No one has money and everyone is trying to continue to ignore the deficit, but that plan is not working.

Yes, there are people in North Korea with no Social or political freedom, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a care in the world, and live the life of riley. We can't just sit back and watch our system degenerate until it's as corrupt and hopeless as North Koreas, because some people are worse off.

Okay, find me a photo with someone who has actually lost their job, and not people with Liberal Arts degrees, Anarchists, or people who don't know how Capitalism works and than I will get back to you. The majority of video feeds and photos I've seen are disgruntled young adults that have willingly gotten themselves into debt. And I reinforce this with the fact that if you look at any OWS photo of "Police Brutality" you may very well see someone with an iPhone, BlackBerry or Palm. Does that sound like someone who has "been cheated by the system"?

Upon that, yes, I do agree that we need to pay off the world deficit, but doing it in this fashion isn't going to solve anything.

 

[Jumplion]

So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.

Why is it always either the government should leave everyone to fend for themselves or the government should tend to everyone's needs? Can't the government, you know, just provide basic support for those that desperately need it, and do so effectively and efficiently to the point where this shit doesn't happen?

 

[Smagmuck_]

So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.

Why is it always either the government should leave everyone to fend for themselves or the government should tend to everyone's needs? Can't the government, you know, just provide basic support for those that desperately need it, and do so effectively and efficiently to the point where this shit doesn't happen?

And to that. I point to Murphy's Law.

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong."

 

[Zeema]

why is everyone just taking photos of him on the floor instead of helping him
Why was he sitting down anyway?
Why is the police man like 'Sup'?

 

[Hammartroll]

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Thats fantastic that Unions or political parties are supporting and paying for it that is indeed THE ROLE OF A UNION and a politcal party to represent the PEOPLE.
Thats why people give a part of their salaries so that they can have PROTECTION.
THIS is the purpose of the protests.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/-occupy-wall-street-movement-goes-global-pictures-20111015?mrefid=earthbox
Stop acting like this problem is solely an American one the entire world is suffering from the US Financial crisis.

I think its time TO REALLY get the message across about what these protests are about.
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREETS this one 3 minute video will explain everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo&feature=related\thread

Problem is now that neither unions or political parties represent the people anymore, they're leaders are all bought out. These protests exploded only after the unions came and the people in the unions are only there cause they're told to, no one knows if they actually care, they're just getting paid. The choice to go there was made by one man, the union leader. Calling in unions is a good way to inflate a protest and make it look like something worth noticing.
I can't seem to find out which unions are joining the protest, but I bet they're Obama cronies like SCIU who ususally show up at these kind of events, becuase Obama seems to support this movement for god knows why... oh, maybe a scheme to help get reelected? yah, astroturf to get a candidate reelected, that's really a "people's" movement right there...

And so what if the rest of the world is setting their countries on fire? I only care about fixing my country, Italy can go ahead start setting car fires, I don't want to be like them, we need peacefull protest. If you want to start some violence then please GTFO of our country, we're not bolsheviks.

And I've seen that video at the end before, it's rather nice, but it means ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING as pertaining to the debate. I thought you were trying to convince people of something? I'm going to let you in on a hint, facts and realistic plans are what changes people's minds. You might get a few usefull idiots to follow an emotional but substance free speech, but mark my words if this is all the OWS message has to offer you will never get the general American public to support you, just paid crowds of union workers. (I got nothing against unions BTW, workers need rights, but their involvement in this protest is manipulative.)

If you want a real /thread video, I'll post it for the third time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RabCAUl73zc&list=FLUhfHGptTJ61B3jKfn1lAJw&index=1

 

[Jumplion]

So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.

Why is it always either the government should leave everyone to fend for themselves or the government should tend to everyone's needs? Can't the government, you know, just provide basic support for those that desperately need it, and do so effectively and efficiently to the point where this shit doesn't happen?

And to that. I point to Murphy's Law.

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong."

And to that, I loosely paraphrase Jon Stewart;

"Yes, government still exists, we're sorry, but some of us would rather have government improve rather than remove it completely." (On the Tea Party bitching about not getting everything they wanted when, in fact, they got most of it)

 

[Kopikatsu]

That is RIOT material. People FIGHT back against brutality of that measure.

Brutality of that...

I'm sorry, WHAT?

Just...I don't even know where to start with you. Try reading a page or two of this thread.

Also, try thinking about the consequences of a riot. Really, think long and hard about it. Look at the London Riots. Look back here. Do you want that here?

 

[Smagmuck_]

So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.

Why is it always either the government should leave everyone to fend for themselves or the government should tend to everyone's needs? Can't the government, you know, just provide basic support for those that desperately need it, and do so effectively and efficiently to the point where this shit doesn't happen?

And to that. I point to Murphy's Law.

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong."

And to that, I loosely paraphrase Jon Stewart;

"Yes, government still exists, we're sorry, but some of us would rather have government improve rather than remove it completely." (On the Tea Party bitching about not getting everything they wanted when, in fact, they got most of it)

Oh, I love you! xD
At least I got some entertainment out of this thread.

 

[Jegsimmons]

Good god, what a fucking douchebag cop! Hope they throw the book at him for sure. No wonder cops are disrespected and/or hated nationwide.

geez you think people would learn to at least read the first pages on a thread with 5 or more pages.

YOU MIGHT FIND SOMETHING NEW!!!! like maby that the guy getting hit was fakeing?

I think the worst part about it was that the cops didn't bother to really give a shit. Maybe his leg was broken maybe not, the decency to at least remove the bike from his leg and get him medical attention was obviously lacking. The cops should still take the blame for this had his leg been broken, if not then after the doctor visit the guy should be the one getting the blame and the bill.

maby it was the "don't acknowledge it, or it won't go away" technique?

hell in all honesty, i would have gone back for a heavy truck to run his ass over with. Those protesters are nuts.

 

[Callate]

Last I heard, petty theft wasn't punished by cutting off the thief's hands, adultery wasn't punished by castration, and sitting in the road wasn't punishable by breaking someone's legs. I still believe I'm living in a civilized country, not one ruled by those who get their lulz off of others' suffering, whatever you might think of the demonstrators.

Unless you've actually broken a bone yourself, please restrain your informed commentary on how someone whose leg has been broken ought to comport themselves.

 

[Jumplion]

So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.

Why is it always either the government should leave everyone to fend for themselves or the government should tend to everyone's needs? Can't the government, you know, just provide basic support for those that desperately need it, and do so effectively and efficiently to the point where this shit doesn't happen?

And to that. I point to Murphy's Law.

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong."

And to that, I loosely paraphrase Jon Stewart;

"Yes, government still exists, we're sorry, but some of us would rather have government improve rather than remove it completely." (On the Tea Party bitching about not getting everything they wanted when, in fact, they got most of it)

Oh, I love you! xD
At least I got some entertainment out of this thread.

Hah, say what you will of Jon Stewart, he is a damn funny dude [http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-28-2011/oh--for-fox-sake---who-s-the-biggest-a--hole-] in my book.

 

[Naeo]

Last I heard, petty theft wasn't punished by cutting off the thief's hands, adultery wasn't punished by castration, and sitting in the road wasn't punishable by breaking someone's legs. I still believe I'm living in a civilized country, not one ruled by those who get their lulz off of others' suffering, whatever you might think of the demonstrators.

Unless you've actually broken a bone yourself, please restrain your informed commentary on how someone whose leg has been broken ought to comport themselves.

As someone who has broken a bone on more than one occasion, unless his tibia was snapped in half--a clean break--then he shouldn't be flailing around like he is. And it's extremely difficult to get that kind of break by applying any amount of pressure--which being run over by a vehicle would do in a situation like this. And by "extremely difficult" I mean "you would end up shattering the whole area of the bone into many tiny pieces", but even then, you'd need something many, many, many times more massive than a moped. You pretty much cant get the sort of break (or even pain, breaking aside) that would merit that sort of flailing unless you've either had a massive torsion force applied to your bone, had a very large force applied or a large force applied very suddenly (like the bike being dropped on him from a height of several meters, maybe more). And having your leg slowly driven over by a moped certainly would not do that, completely aside from the number of people who have pointed out the reasonable suspicions that this was a faked incident (first two pages have most of the juicy stuff on that).

 

[Xanthious]

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There is an incredible amount of ignorance in this thread. It makes me really wonder about the American Education system.
I try to live life by not sharing an opinion about something unless I KNOW WTF IM TALKING ABOUT.
Some of these comments like he deserved it or get back to work are so ignorant its literally so mind boggling to me its really a shock. I mean have you all been living under a cave for these past few years do you even know whats happening in the world around you.
To me Accepting ignorant opinions is probably the worst trait of modern society.
The protestors have lost jobs their lives destroyed NOT BECAUSE THEIR LAZY OR DONT WANT TO WORK BUT BECAUSE IT WAS TAKEN FROM THEM FROM A SYSTEM THAT IS FAILING.
There has been a MEDIA BLACKOUT on the subject of these protests the media simply didnt want to cover it so they had to force the media to cover it. That was the day 700 got arrested on the bridge and since then the movement has been growing everywhere in the US. Even here in Australia on the 15th of October thousands protested in major cities in support of the protests in the US.
Being controlled by criminals and crooks has a limit in any civilisation and worldwide there is a huge response from people just LOOK AT THE ARAB SPRING REVOLUTIONS.
People have lost superannuation payouts and other benefits all because of the failure of US economy. THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN AFFECTED. Every single country has felt its sting the question is not WHY is this happening but WHY it didn't happen sooner.

OK buddy, I'm guessing you made a mistake commenting on this too because you obviously know nothing about this either.
You say the protesters lost their jobs? lol, protesting IS their job, or at least for a lot of them (source)http://theweek.com/article/index/220175/occupy-wall-street-are-protesters-being-paid

A lot of the people there belong to unions as well, many of the unions being government unions. These people have jobs, they're just doing what they're union leaders tell them to. (source)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFA_MA3vqJw

This is not grassroots. When the majority of the protesters are being told to go there by their employers it is known as astroturf and does not represent the sentiment of the real public. Are normal people mad at the Wall Street criminals? yes; I know I am, but the anger in the protests are misguided, here's an example http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/10/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_protest/index.htm
annoying random millionairs and billionairs will do nothing. In memory of the late Steve Jobs, I say that not all millionairs and billionairs are evil.

What you say about the media not paying attention is kind of funny. I'm hearing about this stuff every time I turn on the news and I'm sure this thing about the phony broken leg will be on TV too. Now, compare this to the Tea Party rallies from a little bit ago, it seems like OWS is getting special treatment... I mean with Obama supporting it and all.

I have to admit though I havn't heard of the 700 being arrested yet. I just looked it up and all I have to say is why didn't these guys just lock arms and continue forward? There was 700 of them. What I'm saying is that your point is moot, if they felt that it wasn't right for them to be arrested they would have resisted, became dead weight, but they complied and got their hands cuffed one by one. I guess they thought it was their fault? This is hardly something worth being angry about. Police had reason to arrest them, and they complied, big whoop.

You talk about being controled by crooks, and your right we are controled by crooks, but you need to tell me WHICH CROOKS, cause the people on the street sure don't know. These people's signs should be saying specific people's names, those who are responsible for the crisis, not all millionairs and billionairs cause all they're doing right now fanning the flames of class warfare. And really, if I'm not hearing anything about dismantling the Federal Reserve and running the banksters who run it out of this country, then these people really don't have a clue. Wall Street crooks may have caused the recent economic crisis, but the Fed has been screwing us since 1913.

The Wall Street protesters are ignorant and follow anyone with a megaphone. In the end it'll be THEM who will be the end of this country.

I'm just going to post this again, and just so you know, you do NOT want to live in a world run by George Soros, he's one of the billionairs who actually deserves to be arrested by an angry mob.

Christ on a pogo stick! That guy that made that video is either the most amazing troll ever to grace Youtube or he is the fucking founding member and reigning president of the "Bat Shit Insane-O Super Fun Tin Foil Hat Club". I'm at a total loss as to which it is. I went and watched a few of his other videos and I'm no closer to figuring out. On one hand no right thinking person could actually believe what this whack-a-do is saying. But on the other hand he is really selling it making me believe he desperately needs amazing amounts of psychological help and likely heavy dosages of medication to right whatever is wrong in that deeply flawed brain of his.

I urge anyone who reads this to click on the quoted post that's "spoilered" out above and watch this video. However, if you find yourself thinking "Now THIS is a man that's telling it like it is" afterwords then it's probably time for you to go check yourself into the nearest long term care facility for mental health issues where you can get the help you desperately need.

 

[Pandabearparade]

Good. Maybe we can get these god damned people back to work where they should be. I'm sick of all the protestors, the riots, the EVERYTHING.

People. Please. For god's sake. Shut up and go back to your work. Your lives. Your families. Quit complaining and do your job.

People have a right, legally, to protest. It isn't your place or the place of the government to tell them they can't. Saying 'good' to an example of police brutality is just.. disgusting.

 

[Pandabearparade]

hell in all honesty, i would have gone back for a heavy truck to run his ass over with. Those protesters are nuts.

Typical bullshit. The group of protesters you disagree with are 'nuts', but the ones you agree with are 'fighting for their freedoms'.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Good. Maybe we can get these god damned people back to work where they should be. I'm sick of all the protestors, the riots, the EVERYTHING.

People. Please. For god's sake. Shut up and go back to your work. Your lives. Your families. Quit complaining and do your job.

People have a right, legally, to protest. It isn't your place or the place of the government to tell them they can't. Saying 'good' to an example of police brutality is just.. disgusting.

This might be surprising to you, but the Government makes the laws. Just throwing that out there.

This isn't an example of police brutality, either. There's a decent read: small mountain amount of evidence suggesting that this was faked.

Also, even if it wasn't faked, THIS IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY. If the cop went over, got some friends, and then they all beat the guy until he was a bloody pulp, then there you go. That's police brutality. Running over some guy laying in the middle of the road? Not so much.

 

[Utrechet]

Just to help make that image more popular...

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[Kopikatsu]

Just to help make that image more popular...

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Yes, the photographers in that picture do indeed seem to be saying 'Fuck the civilians.'

"Should we help him?" asks the naive newcomer.

"No." says his senior. "It's our job to stand over him and take pictures documenting his pain. If you want to kick him once or twice to help him really sell it, go ahead."

 

[Pandabearparade]

This might be surprising to you, but the Government makes the laws. Just throwing that out there.

Laws that clearly violate the constitutional right to assembly.

Also, even if it wasn't faked, THIS IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY. If the cop went over, got some friends, and then they all beat the guy until he was a bloody pulp, then there you go. That's police brutality. Running over some guy laying in the middle of the road? Not so much.

I'm going to go on the assumption that it's not faked, for the moment. Running someone over, unintentionally, is not abuse. Ignoring them and walking away after realizing they are in serious need of medical attention -is- abuse.

 

[Kopikatsu]

This might be surprising to you, but the Government makes the laws. Just throwing that out there.

Laws that clearly violate the constitutional right to assembly.

Also, even if it wasn't faked, THIS IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY. If the cop went over, got some friends, and then they all beat the guy until he was a bloody pulp, then there you go. That's police brutality. Running over some guy laying in the middle of the road? Not so much.

I'm going to go on the assumption that it's not faked, for the moment. Running someone over, unintentionally, is not abuse. Ignoring them and walking away after realizing they are in serious need of medical attention -is- abuse.

Okay, I want to you to look at that picture again. Look really hard. And by that, I mean look at the people standing on the right side. Yeah. Them.