Damn Hippies deserve to get hit. Who sits there and protests. Real men take to politics, why don't they create their own political party and over through the government in debates and elections.
Occupy Wall Street - Police Officer parks his motorbike on the leg of a protester (Breaking his leg)
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Er...so anyone who doesn't live in the Third World has no excuse to complain about anything?Smagmuck_ said:
When did places like North Korea become the yardstick by which society is judged?
Looks like an accident to me. I really think people need to be all over this guy, so when TRUE police brutality happens it can be called out. The boy who cried wolf seems all over this.evilneko said:
By the way, has anyone ever ridden or been near a Moped? It's pretty hard to get run over by one going slow. I am not saying something happened, but this guy didn't appear too motivated to move out the of the way.
People provoke police all the time, in the thousands of incidents a day, police brush it off. Once in a while, they don't. You can only poke a bear so many times before he takes umbridge and takes a swipe. In charged up situations it's worse. I have seen the good and the bad in person. Seen some of the most patient police in the world, get yelled at in their faces, spit on, poked, pushed, etc. And just stand there. Then I have seen them go off when a question is asked.
I really think Mr. Patrick Swayze, says it best. "Be nice..until.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTh5JzRziHE
Sorry to break it to ya but I saw this aired on the news here from a different camera angle. The guys leg wasn't even really pinned by the bikes tire. Sure it was in a painful position but the "protester" could have pulled his leg away. Especially when the cop backed up more than enough for the guy to do so.
Because that doesn't get you camera time for the daily tabloids. Nor does it give you the chance to cry foul allowing you to paint authorities as scum bags.innocentEX said:
so i just watched the video.
Wow.. that looks faked beyond belief. The guy was freaking out like he was lit on fire. It was a goddamn moped. I had my foot run over by a car before, and it didn't break anything. It hurt a little, but nothing special. This isn't police brutality, it's some guy who wants attention and to make the police look bad.
What are they protesting about anyway? They don't like the economy? Do they have a specific thing they want the government to do, or is it a "fix things or we'll just keep crying" sort of protest? I really want to know. Protests that actually have a purpose tend to do better.
Wow.. that looks faked beyond belief. The guy was freaking out like he was lit on fire. It was a goddamn moped. I had my foot run over by a car before, and it didn't break anything. It hurt a little, but nothing special. This isn't police brutality, it's some guy who wants attention and to make the police look bad.
What are they protesting about anyway? They don't like the economy? Do they have a specific thing they want the government to do, or is it a "fix things or we'll just keep crying" sort of protest? I really want to know. Protests that actually have a purpose tend to do better.
Im really skeptical to believe either side 100%.
*One these protests are, from my knowledge, made up of more liberal people who tend to be against the police anyway and will try anything to make them look bad. I mean seriously police know that there are cameras everywhere now. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, well they aren't exactly the correct words in each case that show the truth they also miss key aspects. Why is it always the videos are started/edited like a split second before the incident and end right after the event? Who knows what happened before maybe the protester was standing in front of the bike and asked to move repeatedly if thats the case his ass deserves to be ran over. Maybe the cop didn't see him and it was just an accident. Maybe the cop saw him and thought "that son of a ***** should have respect for me because Im an officer" and then ran over him, and if that was the case the officer should be prosecuted.
*Two it says the officer reverses over him. Um from what I saw in the video the back tire never made it over him and the cop rolled back so he could get off and steady the bike. No sense in keeping the bike on the person. Also from experience I've had my foot ran over by a motorcycle. Yeah it hurts but it shouldn't be to the point where you scream uncontrollably and throw yourself to the ground, and sorry if its just because I react differently to pain.
*Three, the guy wasn't attended to immediately. Um Im a first responder (firefighter)and the first thing that is a must on any emergency scene is scene safety. You make sure the scene is safe before any patient care is given no matter how serious the injury. There are exceptions to that but this is the middle of a protest who knows if any of the other protesters are going to fly off the handle and make a bad situation worse. The guy wasn't even in a life threatening situation his injuries could wait.
*Four he was "beaten" no thats not a beating thats called the police were busy watching the crowd and other aspects of their own safety and saw the guy kick the bike over. They were probably thinking he was purposely vandalizing it. Its obvious from the video he was getting it off of him but it may not have been that obvious in the heat of the moment. So what do they do they restrain the guy quickly and take control of the situation. People seem to forget that police have emotions too and want to go home at the end of the day so they take their safety above all else so do paramedics and firefighters. The number one rule as a firefighter when responding to an emergency is not to become a victim yourself. That emotional aspect is what videos and pictures can't portray well. You are focused on one aspect your safety and those of the people you know aren't out to hurt you. You get tunnel vision and then notice a guy on the ground kicking over the bike most likely your first thought isn't "oh he got ran over and was getting out from under it." And if the response is "well if they can't cut it then they shouldn't be in that job" um okay then lets just get rid of all the paramedics, police and firefighters because they all go through it.
*Five as I said most of the protesters are liberal ( I don't have a problem with that) and as such usually have a "I hate the system and its abuse" mentality and will tend to over react when things happen or try to entrap government officials or police to make them purposely look bad or that they use excessive force of their powers. Is that always the case? No, but it happens more during liberal protests then conservatives, from my experiences. Do I like conservatives more than liberals? No, I hate both equally and like both equally. When it comes to politics and social policies I can agree with both sides on different issues and dislike them on other issues.
TLDR; I'll reserve my judgment once more info is out or a full video is released that shows what this guy and the cop were doing earlier and how he was treated after they arrested him and knew they had the situation under control.
*One these protests are, from my knowledge, made up of more liberal people who tend to be against the police anyway and will try anything to make them look bad. I mean seriously police know that there are cameras everywhere now. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, well they aren't exactly the correct words in each case that show the truth they also miss key aspects. Why is it always the videos are started/edited like a split second before the incident and end right after the event? Who knows what happened before maybe the protester was standing in front of the bike and asked to move repeatedly if thats the case his ass deserves to be ran over. Maybe the cop didn't see him and it was just an accident. Maybe the cop saw him and thought "that son of a ***** should have respect for me because Im an officer" and then ran over him, and if that was the case the officer should be prosecuted.
*Two it says the officer reverses over him. Um from what I saw in the video the back tire never made it over him and the cop rolled back so he could get off and steady the bike. No sense in keeping the bike on the person. Also from experience I've had my foot ran over by a motorcycle. Yeah it hurts but it shouldn't be to the point where you scream uncontrollably and throw yourself to the ground, and sorry if its just because I react differently to pain.
*Three, the guy wasn't attended to immediately. Um Im a first responder (firefighter)and the first thing that is a must on any emergency scene is scene safety. You make sure the scene is safe before any patient care is given no matter how serious the injury. There are exceptions to that but this is the middle of a protest who knows if any of the other protesters are going to fly off the handle and make a bad situation worse. The guy wasn't even in a life threatening situation his injuries could wait.
*Four he was "beaten" no thats not a beating thats called the police were busy watching the crowd and other aspects of their own safety and saw the guy kick the bike over. They were probably thinking he was purposely vandalizing it. Its obvious from the video he was getting it off of him but it may not have been that obvious in the heat of the moment. So what do they do they restrain the guy quickly and take control of the situation. People seem to forget that police have emotions too and want to go home at the end of the day so they take their safety above all else so do paramedics and firefighters. The number one rule as a firefighter when responding to an emergency is not to become a victim yourself. That emotional aspect is what videos and pictures can't portray well. You are focused on one aspect your safety and those of the people you know aren't out to hurt you. You get tunnel vision and then notice a guy on the ground kicking over the bike most likely your first thought isn't "oh he got ran over and was getting out from under it." And if the response is "well if they can't cut it then they shouldn't be in that job" um okay then lets just get rid of all the paramedics, police and firefighters because they all go through it.
*Five as I said most of the protesters are liberal ( I don't have a problem with that) and as such usually have a "I hate the system and its abuse" mentality and will tend to over react when things happen or try to entrap government officials or police to make them purposely look bad or that they use excessive force of their powers. Is that always the case? No, but it happens more during liberal protests then conservatives, from my experiences. Do I like conservatives more than liberals? No, I hate both equally and like both equally. When it comes to politics and social policies I can agree with both sides on different issues and dislike them on other issues.
TLDR; I'll reserve my judgment once more info is out or a full video is released that shows what this guy and the cop were doing earlier and how he was treated after they arrested him and knew they had the situation under control.
I would like to know too. From what I have gathered from everything I read they are just pissy about corporate greed and how the government bailed out the banks and corporations, and that they aren't on an equal social footing with the corporations (social equality).Burst6 said:
Burst6 said:
Yet again I find myself saying: He had his leg broken in this incident. Im pretty sure if my legbone was snapped in half and the vehicle that did it was still parked on top of me, Id be freaking out too. I'd probably also be in a considerable amount of pain.
It can "look" fake all day long, but thats just speculation.
I'm glad you aren't the leader of my country, because no offense you have shit standards and if your attitude at all reflects your actions then Canada's standard of living with plummet.Smagmuck_ said:
This is probably going to make me sound like a dick, but did you ever possibly consider that maybe he lied about having his leg broken? And, atop of that, I find it hard to believe that a Moped can break a leg, it simply isn't heavy enough, even with a 180 lb Officer of the Law on it. And if you look at the photo itself, his leg isn't even under it, it's his foot, and it isn't even wedged in such a way for the foot to be given any harm. Maybe I'm just beating a dead horse here, but it looks like you're defending a village that's already been sacked. Sorry, but this isn't just enough credible evidence for us to believe it.idarkphoenixi said:
So you're saying that everyone, regardless if they're making 40k a year, should be supported fully by the Gov't? Because the way I see it. The majority of people in the streets have made a very poor life decision that got them that way, and therefore, the Gov't shouldn't wait on them hand and foot. Everyone has potential to make as much money as they wish, so long as they do it in the right fashion. You're not simply born out your mother entitled to everything you will have in your life. You have to earn it, and a single screw up, will undo everything. That's life, and these people don't know it.BlazeRaider said:
Pretty much this.Calibretto said:
It's so refreshing to see one person who actually seems to understand what this entire movement is about.
OK buddy, I'm guessing you made a mistake commenting on this too because you obviously know nothing about this either.Calibretto said:
You say the protesters lost their jobs? lol, protesting IS their job, or at least for a lot of them (source)http://theweek.com/article/index/220175/occupy-wall-street-are-protesters-being-paid
A lot of the people there belong to unions as well, many of the unions being government unions. These people have jobs, they're just doing what they're union leaders tell them to. (source)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFA_MA3vqJw
This is not grassroots. When the majority of the protesters are being told to go there by their employers it is known as astroturf and does not represent the sentiment of the real public. Are normal people mad at the Wall Street criminals? yes; I know I am, but the anger in the protests are misguided, here's an example http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/10/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_protest/index.htm
annoying random millionairs and billionairs will do nothing. In memory of the late Steve Jobs, I say that not all millionairs and billionairs are evil.
What you say about the media not paying attention is kind of funny. I'm hearing about this stuff every time I turn on the news and I'm sure this thing about the phony broken leg will be on TV too. Now, compare this to the Tea Party rallies from a little bit ago, it seems like OWS is getting special treatment... I mean with Obama supporting it and all.
I have to admit though I havn't heard of the 700 being arrested yet. I just looked it up and all I have to say is why didn't these guys just lock arms and continue forward? There was 700 of them. What I'm saying is that your point is moot, if they felt that it wasn't right for them to be arrested they would have resisted, became dead weight, but they complied and got their hands cuffed one by one. I guess they thought it was their fault? This is hardly something worth being angry about. Police had reason to arrest them, and they complied, big whoop.
You talk about being controled by crooks, and your right we are controled by crooks, but you need to tell me WHICH CROOKS, cause the people on the street sure don't know. These people's signs should be saying specific people's names, those who are responsible for the crisis, not all millionairs and billionairs cause all they're doing right now fanning the flames of class warfare. And really, if I'm not hearing anything about dismantling the Federal Reserve and running the banksters who run it out of this country, then these people really don't have a clue. Wall Street crooks may have caused the recent economic crisis, but the Fed has been screwing us since 1913.
The Wall Street protesters are ignorant and follow anyone with a megaphone. In the end it'll be THEM who will be the end of this country.
I'm just going to post this again, and just so you know, you do NOT want to live in a world run by George Soros, he's one of the billionairs who actually deserves to be arrested by an angry mob.
That thrashing? The "alleged" broken leg? The fact that the video starts where he is already on the floor and the most that is touching his TOE is 1 bit of the tire? He never fully get "run over"..his feet stay under part of the bike which is....elevated?idarkphoenixi said:
I watched a few more videos of it and now i just believe that both sides are doing something wrong.idarkphoenixi said:
There's no footage of the guy actually being hit by the bike (or is there? i couldn't find any. If there is i would like to see it please). He was a legal observer so there couldn't be a good reason to lay down in the street. And it's not like the bike was moving quickly. From what i could see, the police guy was even putting his feet on the ground so the bike wouldn't tip because he was going so slow. How that guy got hit, let alone get hit hard enough to get knocked over, is still a mystery. Also he landed to the side of the bike. How did that happen?
What happened after, though, is weird. I don't know what the police were thinking, but dragging him along the ground and putting him down? I think i also saw him getting hit by a baton (maybe it was a light hit, i couldn't really see it that well). Way too harsh.
Ill judge it more as it develops.
Also, where did you hear the thing about him having his leg broken? All i heard was unknown injuries and minor lacerations on his face (maybe from getting his face smashed into asphalt). Source please.
