Oh dear god (graphic animal cruelty)

[emeraldrafael]

eh... I want to be bothered, I really do, but then again:

that things like this

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A tied up starving dog that Nicaragua with "Eres Lo Que Lees" ("You Are What You Read") written above it in dog food

dont bother me and I would avidly support as art. hate if you will, but it makes a powerful statement.

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EDIT2:

nd that Micheal Vick shouldnt have been hated and fairly allowed to to be ont he cover of madden without his dog fighting past coming up.

I'd be hypocritical if I did. maybe its just me, maybe I'm just a bad person, but I dont see anythign wrong with that. animals are animals, and you either give all animals equal rights or none. And that would include ones like dogs and cats, as well as worms and maggots. There's a lot of unethical things that every country does.


So, I guess overall, I wouldnt buy fur from farms like that if I knew (mostly cause I dont buy fur, its a lot of hassle to carefor), and isntead would go out and get it myself.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

I know its horrible to watch but I'm glad that so many of you are at-least trying, the more people become aware of crap like this the more difficult it will become to hide it.

Why hide it? What can we do? They are a government, a nation, of billions of people and heres the kicker. They. Dont. Give. A. Fuck. Did you SEE what they did?! Do you really think these kinds of people care if you think its sick? Care if even a million people, a billion people think its sick? They dont give a gorram shit about that. They want the money. And if it takes a tonne of abused animals and a billion sickened humans to do it then so be it for them. People will want fur. Some people also just dont care as long as they get the fur they want.

People are SO passive these days. They seem to think that just wanting something instantly changes it. We want lower uni costs! Didnt happen. We want no more fur cruelty. So? Everyone wants a lot of things. At what point do we actually stand up and do something? We seem to yell out for SOMEONE to change things but never name this person. Or stand up and be them. No offense to you or anyone here but unless we actually... do something, other than lend our voices nothing will change. Some people dont care no matter how loud you yell. We shouldnt be afraid to tell the government to freakin do what we want them to do! They are NOT some faceless corperation that does things we almost want. They do EXACTLY what we want and they enact it. Why should the electorate have to put up for "almost what we wanted". I say screw it. You dont like something? Prove we are a majority. Go up to the people who matter and DEMAND that, as our representatives, they best gorram represent us and DO something!

 

[Liam Barden]

The proteins necessary for good health are most easily accessible in meat, I know there are alternatives, in this country of mine they are hard to get hold of and frankly not worth it, especially considering that I do a high-strain martial art, meat is the best and most convenient source of these proteins, especially here in third-world-o-topia.

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I am afraid that given the reasons above and liking meat too much, I will not change my eating habits, but if given a good opportunity, will happily lend a hand in helping to create a more humane and comfortable life for livestock.

Normally I would say that thats no excuse, but considering that you live in a poor society it is understandable, I must admit.
If you ever manage to make it big, however, and earn a comfortable amount of money to live on then I would hope that you do try to reduce and perhaps eliminate the amount of meat you eat. Reducing cruelty is an important goal that we must strive towards, but personally I cant help but view the system itself as inherently cruel and I think few would deny that the world would be a better place if nobody ate any.

But at least youre doing what you can, good on you

 

[Skops]

This is really old, I saw that video years ago. Either way, yea it's bad. But I'm not shocked or horrified, I'm as desensitized as one can get.

 

[Jonluw]

Yup. Bad people doing bad things.
Not very comfortable to watch, that.

 

[Liam Barden]

You are misinformed. An animal killed with a well executed shot (which is part of the process of sport hunting) is often dead before it hits the ground. In fact my grandfather believed in this so greatly that he has never taken a shot that he knew for a fact would not be a kill shot, and he has certainly instilled this in me.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

Also don't forget that hunting is also a means of conservation. If humans didn't hunt deer in certain areas, then they would overpopulate and die a slow death of starvation. The same can be said for boars, caribou, elk, moose, and fish. We have limits on what we can shoot which the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries sets every year depending on herd migration and estimated population.

However, there are other costs on the deer population because of this pressure.
Deer are having more foals at earlier ages than ever before because of the selective pressure on being able to have children before you are hunted, and this has come as a detriment to their health and general welfare, not to mention infant mortality rates.

So really, we seem damned either way. Maybe it would even be less cruel to just cull every deer, once. Put an end to everything :/

 

[Liam Barden]

Yup. Bad people doing bad things.
Not very comfortable to watch, that.

I really think its a bit unfair to claim these people are simply 'bad', end of story.
Taking a look at the big picture, we all have at least some of the blood on our hands. These people live below the poverty line in a poor country, partially because they have been exploited by the rich, western countries for centuries now. These people probably have children to feed and cant find much other work to speak of. I think that if you were put in the position of these men, you would probably do something similar. Not to mention that this is only done because of the demand driving it. I would imagine that the vast majority of this fur finds its way into 1st world countries.

This is of course not to excuse what these people do, but to realise that the problem is just much more complicated.

 

[feauxx]

i am not watching this but i am all for spreading awareness of animal cruelty, and not just in the fur industry, but every form of animal cruelty for the pleasure of humans.

also, i don't acknowledge the word 'humane'.

"because animals are property, we consider as "humane treatment" that we would regard as torture if it were inflicted on humans." - Gary L. Francione

 

[TheHighDino]

Why am I not surprised that something on this level of wrong is happening in China..?

 

[Confidingtripod]

I know its horrible to watch but I'm glad that so many of you are at-least trying, the more people become aware of crap like this the more difficult it will become to hide it.

Why hide it? What can we do? They are a government, a nation, of billions of people and heres the kicker. They. Dont. Give. A. Fuck. Did you SEE what they did?! Do you really think these kinds of people care if you think its sick? Care if even a million people, a billion people think its sick? They dont give a gorram shit about that. They want the money. And if it takes a tonne of abused animals and a billion sickened humans to do it then so be it for them. People will want fur. Some people also just dont care as long as they get the fur they want.

I actually agree, they dont give two shits about us, I agree that too few people act, but I also think that someone with more influence than me may see this due to my spreading or see the video on their own due to the person who posted it, even if all this does is put a handfull of people off of fur I feel it will have made a differance, you want action; I was almost arrested for verbally abusing someone who I heard saying they think more clothes should be fur, I'm not able t make a large differance on my own, but lots of small ones build up.

 

[SlasherX]

I saw a guy catch his loose dog with a rope and he then beat it with a 2x4. This all happened in front of my house. I grabbed my Dad's .38. Calmly walk outside, pointed the gun at the guy and told him if he moved another muscle I would shoot him in the face. I told him to turn around slowly and leave. He walked away and went into his house. I got the dog brought him into my yard and called the cops. He got arrested for animal cruelty and I got a new dog. Now that story time is over. If I saw anyone doing what they did to that dog in that video I would shoot them. Not let them get away. I would shoot them and damn the consequences.

Nice, good old compassion. I call bullshit on your story. Assault with a deadly weapon is often overlooked by cops.

So, as a 15 year old who is seeing a dog being beaten in the road by a 39 year old man what exactly should I have done? Politely asked him to stop beating the dog to death? Also I didn't harm the man and I saved the dogs life so it was a misdemeanor. So not bullshit.

 

[bombadilillo]

I saw a guy catch his loose dog with a rope and he then beat it with a 2x4. This all happened in front of my house. I grabbed my Dad's .38. Calmly walk outside, pointed the gun at the guy and told him if he moved another muscle I would shoot him in the face. I told him to turn around slowly and leave. He walked away and went into his house. I got the dog brought him into my yard and called the cops. He got arrested for animal cruelty and I got a new dog. Now that story time is over. If I saw anyone doing what they did to that dog in that video I would shoot them. Not let them get away. I would shoot them and damn the consequences.

Nice, good old compassion. I call bullshit on your story. Assault with a deadly weapon is often overlooked by cops.

So, as a 15 year old who is seeing a dog being beaten in the road by a 39 year old man what exactly should I have done? Politely asked him to stop beating the dog to death? Also I didn't harm the man and I saved the dogs life so it was a misdemeanor. So not bullshit.

Your making things up. Saved a dog so misdemeanor? LOL. Learn how things work. Heres a hint. The law cares more about threatening humans with guns then beating a dog.

 

[rembrandtqeinstein]

Yeah, animal welfare never really took off in China...

The Chinese culture is fundamentally corrupt and broken. There was no enlightenment so there is no concept of individual worth and empathy is considered to be a weakness. According to the culture as long as the action makes a person more useful in the eyes of their "superiors" then it is acceptable. The notion of "right and wrong" is entirely dictated by approval or disapproval of the next level of the hierarchy. In a way it is similar to the fictional Drow culture of RA Salvatore where the only crime is getting caught.

In this case skinning animals alive is the cheapest way to extract the skins. The superiors approve so the action is considered morally correct.

I attribute that to their form of government; Russia cranks out a sizable amount of violent shock videos as well, and I don't buy the idea that a recently reformed Marxist country and a currently Marxist country just happen to be the two most violent 'civilized' nations in the world.

It started way before the commies. Read about chinese history, it makes dark ages europe look like it is full of ghandis

 

[Cranky_Gamer]

Okay, I've tried a couple of times now and I can only make it halfway through. Watching an animal being skinned alive is the cruelest thing I've ever seen. And even then, after doing such a thing, to not have the common decency to put the suffering animal out of its misery just astounds me.

I'm interested in learning more, in particular what other countries allow such practices and what organisations are out there trying to stop it. Problem is, I'm not sure where to start so I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before doing random google searches.

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[DannyBoy451]

Yeah, animal welfare never really took off in China...

The Chinese culture is fundamentally corrupt and broken. There was no enlightenment so there is no concept of individual worth and empathy is considered to be a weakness. According to the culture as long as the action makes a person more useful in the eyes of their "superiors" then it is acceptable. The notion of "right and wrong" is entirely dictated by approval or disapproval of the next level of the hierarchy. In a way it is similar to the fictional Drow culture of RA Salvatore where the only crime is getting caught.

In this case skinning animals alive is the cheapest way to extract the skins. The superiors approve so the action is considered morally correct.

Well I'd hardly go that far; it's a thriving and vibrant society with thousands of years of culture that's experiencing the biggest period of economic and social revolution in human history, what are you basing your observations on?

 

[Harbinger_]

We used to sell the fur and eat the meat so its not like it was something stupid like sport hunting.

Im afraid that seems to be a silly argument from were im sitting. I would imagine that whatever you do with the body AFTER killing it, has no impact on the ordeal the animal goes through. And maybe im just misinformed, but as far as i can see the only reason theres an ethical problem with hunting is because it causes animal suffering. If youre not literally starving to death (in which case I have no problems with it) its still sport hunting, regardless of how you dispose of the body.

However I can certainly respect that you do your best to minimise (but dont act like you can totally eliminate) the suffering the animal goes through. Im sure youre really a very kind and responsible person, but I would urge you to take a second look at this practice you engage[d?] in.

I dont want you to think im going all militant veggie on you though

Oh no I get what you mean completely. The traps that we used are designed to kill quickly and with as little pain as possible.

The furs are usually sold for a decent price and the meat is bottled and has actually helped when I was younger to keep us from going poor on groceries. Not only that but there are some body parts and oils from the animals we kill that can be used in medicines.

The animal is going to suffer but we tried our hardest to ensure that it was as quick and painless as one could do.

 

[bombadilillo]

I saw a guy catch his loose dog with a rope and he then beat it with a 2x4. This all happened in front of my house. I grabbed my Dad's .38. Calmly walk outside, pointed the gun at the guy and told him if he moved another muscle I would shoot him in the face. I told him to turn around slowly and leave. He walked away and went into his house. I got the dog brought him into my yard and called the cops. He got arrested for animal cruelty and I got a new dog. Now that story time is over. If I saw anyone doing what they did to that dog in that video I would shoot them. Not let them get away. I would shoot them and damn the consequences.

Nice, good old compassion. I call bullshit on your story. Assault with a deadly weapon is often overlooked by cops.

So, as a 15 year old who is seeing a dog being beaten in the road by a 39 year old man what exactly should I have done? Politely asked him to stop beating the dog to death? Also I didn't harm the man and I saved the dogs life so it was a misdemeanor. So not bullshit.

Your making things up. Saved a dog so misdemeanor? LOL. Learn how things work. Heres a hint. The law cares more about threatening humans with guns then beating a dog.

You do realize that if no one is hurt that can be taken down to a misdemeanor? Or that as a first time offender you get lenience. Oh wait you don't because you're an idiot and don't know anything. Now piss off you dumbass.

Big bad ad hominem. Gonna pull a gun on me now? You're just so cool.

 

[Brandon237]

The proteins necessary for good health are most easily accessible in meat, I know there are alternatives, in this country of mine they are hard to get hold of and frankly not worth it, especially considering that I do a high-strain martial art, meat is the best and most convenient source of these proteins, especially here in third-world-o-topia.

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I am afraid that given the reasons above and liking meat too much, I will not change my eating habits, but if given a good opportunity, will happily lend a hand in helping to create a more humane and comfortable life for livestock.

Normally I would say that thats no excuse, but considering that you live in a poor society it is understandable, I must admit.
If you ever manage to make it big, however, and earn a comfortable amount of money to live on then I would hope that you do try to reduce and perhaps eliminate the amount of meat you eat. Reducing cruelty is an important goal that we must strive towards, but personally I cant help but view the system itself as inherently cruel and I think few would deny that the world would be a better place if nobody ate any.

But at least youre doing what you can, good on you

Steak and chicken I could do without (Fish I cannot, I would eat my own flesh if I missed out on fish), but it would be impractical and difficult, and also: you will not get people to stop eating meat and farming animals in this life-time, it is not a goal achievable short of genocide against all who eat meat, but making sure that the animals are treated properly (on many farms they are) in ALL places of the world, is an achievable goal that will greatly reduce suffering, that one powerful person, one organisation can pull off.